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Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
birtherreport.com/You Tube ^ | March 9, 2013 | BirtherReportDotCom

Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter

Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.


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1 posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....


2 posted on 03/09/2013 8:06:17 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Fox has become ridiculous.
Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth.

Obama Sr however never had allegiance to anyone.


3 posted on 03/09/2013 8:07:37 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Look.
Here is the wider point.
If Obama was not held to these standards, why do you and Fox want to crucify Cruz?


4 posted on 03/09/2013 8:09:45 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too.

And exactly how did this keep the Kenyan interloper from being elected to be HMFWIC twice???

5 posted on 03/09/2013 8:09:52 AM PST by ssaftler (Whatever goes wrong for the next 20 years: "It's Obama's fault")
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I have a feeling that the people who will jump on Cruz’s “ineligibility” the most will be Obama’s demoncraps.


6 posted on 03/09/2013 8:10:56 AM PST by Slyfox (Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness -G Wash.)
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We lost the last election because of fixated single issue voters.


7 posted on 03/09/2013 8:11:14 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

I would continue to push Cruz. Let’s see how the Democrats react. If the Democrats set a precedent with Obama, I don’t see why we should undermine Cruz.


8 posted on 03/09/2013 8:11:21 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US “Natural Born” Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!


9 posted on 03/09/2013 8:11:28 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

What does Sen. Cruz have to say about this?

I don’t have a TV but it seems, based on what I read, Fox is getting kinda nutty.


10 posted on 03/09/2013 8:11:42 AM PST by upchuck (Waiting, hoping, begging for the straw. Time to bring pent up frustration to fruition.)
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To: mylife

It’s because of the double standard. Do u think the Rats/media will let Cruz get away with a court decision saying he’s eligible?


11 posted on 03/09/2013 8:12:14 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

You are making Sarah Palin cry.


12 posted on 03/09/2013 8:13:21 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Several reasons: 1. Because they can. 2. Because Cruz is a Republican. 3. Because Cruz is not a Democrat. 4. Because Cruz is not one of them. 5.Becuse they worship,love, and adore,either latently or openly, obama.


13 posted on 03/09/2013 8:14:29 AM PST by sport
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

“because his fathers British Nationality ‘governed’ his birth status in 1961,

You don’t know the meaning of the word ‘governed’. Putting it in single quotes doesn’t make some magical definition for it.

Two Americans abroad give birth to a US citizen. Trying to redefine “natural” is also a stupid blunder by people trying to sound intelligent.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 8:15:52 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

At least he’s honest about the circumstances under which he was born. It’s not like he’s manufacturing a fake birth certificate or anything. Just sayin’


15 posted on 03/09/2013 8:16:15 AM PST by jersey117
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To: yldstrk

“wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”

Your baby would be a “born” citizen but not a natural born citizen. There was a question as to John McCain’s eligibility due to this same definition.

Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen either due to his parents not being citizens at the time of his birth. But just watch the GOP band together to try to get him nominated in 2016. If they let Rubio run they have to let Cruz run. Neither one of them is eligible. They can both serve their country in the Senate or as Governors.

But of course if you are half black and a Democrat its OK that you can’t really prove where you were born and your Dad was a Kenyan.


16 posted on 03/09/2013 8:16:25 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: upchuck
Sen. Cruz told Sean Hannity on Wednesday that he believed he was eligible to be President.
17 posted on 03/09/2013 8:17:15 AM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: mylife

I don’t think so.


18 posted on 03/09/2013 8:18:28 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: yldstrk

Children of American citizens born overseas are indisputably American citizens. It’s a question of their being ‘natural born citizens,’ as called for in the Constitution as a prerequisite to presidential eligibility that is in dispute.


19 posted on 03/09/2013 8:18:34 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: mylife
Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth.

He wasn't but it doesn't matter. Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother's U.S. citizenship. He didn't have to naturalize. If he wants to run for President, the Senate will extend to him the same courtesy they did McCain and pass a resolution declaring him eligible. Birthers might stomp their feet and file a bunch of lawsuits that go nowhere but there won't be any serious legal obstacles that Cruz will have to overcome to get on the ballot.

20 posted on 03/09/2013 8:18:38 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
In this area, Hannity is about the only radio choice at that time.

He seems like a personable fellow, with some common sense and a good work ethic, but always find myself having to turn him off sooner or later.

And I won't be turning him back on for a while. That bit with Ted Cruz was the last I could handle.

We have enough stupid educating the ignorant as it and he took it to a national audience. Cruz sorta lawyered out of it, accurate, but not.

21 posted on 03/09/2013 8:18:58 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Fine. Rand Paul can make Cruz Attorney General. Works for me! Allen West can be VP.


22 posted on 03/09/2013 8:19:20 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: EDINVA

Damn, I thought “Natural Born” meant not by “C-Section”.


23 posted on 03/09/2013 8:21:06 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: AuntB

I like your line-up!


24 posted on 03/09/2013 8:21:09 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US “Natural Born” Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!


Many people take the strict ‘Vattel’ view that a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born on American soil to two American citizen parents.

Why do you think there was a Senate Resolution declaring John McCain a “Natural Born Citizen” before the 2008 election? He was born of two American citizen parents, but not on American soil. And before you say it, McCain was not born in the American Canal Zone. He was born in a Panamanian hospital.

Many people think there is a difference between a “Natural Born Citizen”, a Citizen, and a Naturalized Citizen. Otherwise why would it be specifically mentioned in the Constitution.


25 posted on 03/09/2013 8:21:27 AM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

You would ;)


26 posted on 03/09/2013 8:22:20 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: mylife
If Obama was not held to these standards, why do you and Fox want to crucify Cruz?

YEAH!!!

They did it, so we can do it too!!!

(sheesh)

27 posted on 03/09/2013 8:22:23 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Wrong. Obama is ineligible because his father was not citizen and his mother wasn’t eligible by laws at the time to confer citizen by herself alone.

How old Ted Cruz’s mother was at his time of birth, along with immigration laws at the time is what makes his eligible or not.


28 posted on 03/09/2013 8:22:31 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: mylife

Bingo.

And only idiots (there are many here at Free Republic) ever said the issue was over anything else.


29 posted on 03/09/2013 8:22:43 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Oh for the love of God!! stop attacking our own.

This is why we lose.

Ted Cruz is just what we need and here we are launching a preemptive strike on him.

EVERYTHING about Obama is a mystery shrouded in anti American notions and communism, yet he is the POTUS.

If we must argue about “natural born” let us argue about Obama, who clearly has convoluted allegiances.

Why Target Cruz? Cruz has been a breath of fresh air.
He defines the immigrant experience.
His Heart is with America as was his Fathers.


30 posted on 03/09/2013 8:24:09 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

no, not killing innocent babies is a foundational issue


31 posted on 03/09/2013 8:24:32 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jersey117

Correct!


32 posted on 03/09/2013 8:24:35 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: mylife; All

“Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth.”

Rafel Cruz escaped from Cuba in the 1950’s and was a legal immigrant/resident of the USA at the time of Ted’s birth. He did not become a U.S. citizen until 2005.

Cruz’ mother was born in Delaware.

Both parents were temporarily living in Calgary (for work purposes) at the time of Cruz’ birth in 1970.

I am not sure if the laws at the time would make Cruz a “natural born citizen” for the purposes of eligibility for Presidency - any legal scholars here?


33 posted on 03/09/2013 8:24:35 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Roccus

Shoot that young firebrand between the eyes before he gets started.

Yeesh.


34 posted on 03/09/2013 8:26:23 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jersey117

If Allen West will not run again, a future president has to appoint him to a position..


35 posted on 03/09/2013 8:27:10 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: EDINVA
Children of American citizens born overseas are indisputably American citizens. It’s a question of their being ‘natural born citizens,’ as called for in the Constitution as a prerequisite to presidential eligibility that is in dispute.

Exactly.

And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.

The slippery slope tells me that eventually, the UN will make everyone a natural born citizen and anyone can be president.

36 posted on 03/09/2013 8:27:57 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: paterfamilias

If Obama was legal then Cruz is legal.

One thing is certain, Cruz and his parents held allegiance to America.


37 posted on 03/09/2013 8:28:06 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: EDINVA

That what the dispute is about. It is amazing. If you were to have asked people 7 years ago who de Vattel was, only about 0.5% of the people might be able to tell you, now everyone is a expert.


38 posted on 03/09/2013 8:28:47 AM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: yldstrk

My husband is a soldier and we were stationed in Germany at the time of my son’s birth. I was told by the US Embassy when we received his “American Citizen Born Abroad” birth certificate that the ONLY thing he couldn’t do was become POTUS.

So yeah. Tough cookies. He’s not a natural born citizen.


39 posted on 03/09/2013 8:30:38 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Now we are finally getting somewhere.

Some of you birther people are just head cases. Getting somewhere? It's like your determined to find people who aren't ineligible to run for President. Ted Cruz is an excellent Senator and absolutely someone who may have a presidential future. Fox News is very likely WRONG in this case.

Here is a discussion about this very subject in the LA Times:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/01/news/la-pn-questions-about-the-qualifications-of-ted-cruz-the-gops-newest-star-20120801

The TLDR version is that Cruz has an American mother so he's obviously an American citizen, and people with similar birth situations (outside the US) such as McCain and George Romney would have been eligible if they had won. So far no one has challenged a presidential candidate born outside of the United States. I think Ted Cruz is probably eligible and based on what I've seen so far, I hope at some point he runs and wins.

40 posted on 03/09/2013 8:31:12 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: CodeToad

Hmmm. Why did Obama feel compelled to state that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment?


41 posted on 03/09/2013 8:31:34 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: autumnraine

Cruz would be a statutory U.S. citizen, not a natural born Citizen. A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s pen) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).


42 posted on 03/09/2013 8:31:34 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Marie

That is not so. Once your son resides in US for more than 14 years, he will be eligible.


43 posted on 03/09/2013 8:31:44 AM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: mylife
Sarah Palin is a natural-born citizen because her parents were US citizens, even though she was born in Idaho, which was not US territory, let alone a state, at the time the Constitution was adopted.

Charles Francis Adams, a son of John Quincy Adams, was almost nominated for President in 1872 by the Liberal Republicans (the anti-Grant faction) but lost out to Horace Greeley. His mother was born in London in 1775 to an American father and an English mother. His supporters in 1872 clearly did not see him as disqualified.

44 posted on 03/09/2013 8:31:44 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: All

FNC hit piece?

born in the USA and age requirment finishes.

no three types of citizenship, just two.


45 posted on 03/09/2013 8:31:58 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

John McCain was born on base. It was declared ‘US soil’, thus he is eligible. My son was born in a German hospital. He is not. He was born on foreign soil.

Yes. Children of service members who are born abroad of two US Citizen parents are NOT eligible to be POTUS. (At least that’s what I was told by the US Embassy when my son was born.)


46 posted on 03/09/2013 8:33:31 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born)

LOL! Everyone talks about 'natural born' yet acts as if it only takes a single parent to make a baby.

Cruz is a statutory citizen, but not a 14th Amendment one. 14th Amendment statutory citizens stem from a perversion of the purpose of the Amendment itself in the mid 1960's. Despite what Congress syas, children of foreigners are NOT Citizens of the United States under the Original Intent of the 14th Amednment.

Natural born refers to your natural parents. Cruz's natural parents were Cuban and American, so he was a dual citizen at birth and became a naturalized American when he chose which nationality he would claim upon reaching the age of majority.

He is not eligible for the Office of President...although I sincerely wish he was.

47 posted on 03/09/2013 8:33:55 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: yldstrk

In your scenario, your child would be born a U.S. citizen, just not eligible to fill the office of President. For that he must be born in the U.S. to two naturalized American citizens. Though not defined within the Constitution itself, the term “naturalized citizen” historically has come to be defined as “born within the Republic”.


48 posted on 03/09/2013 8:35:32 AM PST by 4Runner
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

My question is:If Fox is attacking Cruz’s eligibility why aren’t these yellow coward sons of beech’s attacking Obama?


49 posted on 03/09/2013 8:35:33 AM PST by Venturer
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To: GBA

“And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.”

That is something we must fight to stop from happening. It goes against our founders original intent.


50 posted on 03/09/2013 8:35:48 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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