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I Don't See One Single Reason Government Needs to Be in the Marriage Business...
Reaganite Republican ^ | 19 March 2013 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 03/19/2013 3:23:54 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

Privatization’s the only way to handle the issue 
and get this off the GOP’s back- we don’t need it.

My conservative/libertarian friends, imho it is time for government on both the federal and state levels to remove marriage from the tax-code and walk away from the term completely- two adults of any sort can register a household as legal entity for the purpose of benefits, hospital visitations, agreed inheritance contracts, etc, but let us be married by the church of our own choosing. Marriage was created as a religious ceremony/bond anyway- maybe that's where it belongs.

Being a church-going Catholic, I’m confident Rome will be defining it the same way I see ‘marriage’... hope you feel the same about yours.


Why not remove this issue from the political arena once-and-for-all while paring the statists' influence? And everybody gets what they want... libs can go marry their vacuum cleaner for all I care.

I myself used to know these kinda crazy twin sisters who lived their entire lives together, worked together, etc- there are probably many other non-traditional households, such as best friends who have chosen to live together over the long term in a non-sexual context- for all practices and purposes a Common Law marriage, which is still legal in 11 US states 
(between a man and a woman, anyway).

Shouldn't people like that -or anybody- be able to create a formal entity providing rights a spouse would enjoy, purely for legal purposes: you can't patrol the country's bedrooms, so why even try? But when government is no longer involved, we in the political sphere won't be talking about it anymore, either- and that's a good thing.

There's even a term for it: Marriage Privatization. Sounds great to me, thus the Left would be denied the club they've been pounding us over the head with- there'll never be a more practical, politically beneficial (for the GOP), and fiscally prudent way to do it.  

The Left only benefits from social issues when Big Government has it's tentacles in there, and they can frame conservatives as the enemy and grab a block of voters-  so why not pull the rug out from under 'em?

I doubt greatly that groups like GOProud would have a problem with such a policy, either- although with 'gay' no longer relevant politically, they don't really have a reason to organize as a separate faction of fiscal conservatives, do they? Don't ask/don't tell seems more sensible to me when their sexual practices are no longer something we need to be discussing.

Just one more area where we need to get government out of our lives, and where the statists' influence can be pared as well:
this issue needs to go-away, and handling it in this way serves to further the cause of Liberty in this country by ending 'gay marriage' as a political issue... just as school vouchers could largely remove government from the education business while getting American kids away from what have evolved into taxpayer-funded NEA indoctrination centers, cranking out
'lil Obots by the score... 




TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: church; fifthcolumn; gay; government; historyofmarriage; homosesualagenda; homosexualagenda; libertarians; marriage; socialliberals
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To: ClearCase_guy

I guess I missed that enumerated power in the constitution...can you point that out to me?


21 posted on 03/19/2013 4:24:37 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: old and tired
I recognize that you have a point, but I don't think you are considering the other side at all. We have an increasingly atheistic society. I work with someone who just found out that Easter is a holiday that has something -- not sure what -- to do with Christianity. There is ignorance and opposition to all religion. This is what we have become.

Sure, we can say that marriage is a church matter and not a government matter, but that really becomes the equivalent of saying "There isn't going to be much marriage in our future, because so many people have given up on religion". And so you just have people milling about having babies with various people.

We have a problem, and I'm not sure that giving up a legal (government) approach makes sense.

22 posted on 03/19/2013 4:24:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: mdmathis6

I agree with the marriage arguement that a stable relationship benefits the state, however these arguements don’t include the children of this stable relationship, which is why marriage entered the tax code in the first place.

Children in a stable father-mother household grow up to provide tax revenue back to the state, so it is an “investment” by the state to give tax breaks to encourage marriage and family. That is why communists and Socialist-Democrats want to break that bond and structure to put government as the father figure in single-mother homes. Majority of convicts in prison come from single-family homes.


23 posted on 03/19/2013 4:26:25 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Reaganite Republican

What stops 3 men from being married?


24 posted on 03/19/2013 4:28:52 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Can there be nothing Great and Good in this world?)
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To: Reaganite Republican

There are many legal issues involved in marriage. The government has to be able to tell who is married and who isn’t.


25 posted on 03/19/2013 4:31:10 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

There is no support in the Bible for church involvement in marriage. From the beginning it was always between the couple and God with community and family sanctions and support.


26 posted on 03/19/2013 4:33:57 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: broken_arrow1

Ding, Ding, Ding! Give mdmathis6 a prize for nailing this issue. Aside from a religious/moral argument, there is an overwhelming secular basis for a State to support heterosexul marriage.


27 posted on 03/19/2013 4:36:23 AM PDT by Nicojones
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To: Nicojones

Woops, mean’t broken arrow responding to mdmathis6


28 posted on 03/19/2013 4:38:05 AM PDT by Nicojones
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To: Reaganite Republican

I’m totally against gay partners adopting children. The government decides who can adopt. If you are deemed too old, they won’t let you adopt, but two gays are okay in many states.


29 posted on 03/19/2013 4:39:23 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Bryan

Amen

I really don’t think I can keep two people from living together -or doing whatever they’re into- SO if they want to pay their taxes and visit the other one in hospital, I have no reason to care.

I don’t have to respect what they’re doing or call it ‘marriage’ if I don’t want to... that’s all I ask


30 posted on 03/19/2013 4:39:30 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: old and tired

Agreed in full


31 posted on 03/19/2013 4:40:13 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I am adopted from a Catholic home, so privatization of adoption services is A OK with me


32 posted on 03/19/2013 4:41:07 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: babble-on

Thanks, and driven by a sense of urgency to gain power as rapidly as possible in 2014 and 2016

You have to choose your fights they say


33 posted on 03/19/2013 4:42:26 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

The article is correct on a very simple basis- the government obviously cannot be trusted to be in charge of marriage because it can then be taken over by those who are out to destroy it.

Nobody should ever fool themselves into thinking that you will always control the levers of power. Hence you should be damned careful with what those levers can do.

The Left has worked for 50+ years to destroy the institution of marriage, and will continue to do so as long as it remains in the public sphere.


34 posted on 03/19/2013 4:44:34 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

My law professor described this marriage ceremony from the early middle ages.

“Remember, this was a time where almost nobody could read or write. So, to this ceremony they invited all the children in the town and had a big feast. They held the marriage on the groom’s land. Then the priest, or mayor, whomever they had who was the most important man they could get, would reach down and take a piece of dirt from the groom’s land and smear it on the bride’s face. Then, and this is the important part, they beat the hell out of all the children. This was to mark the event in the children’s memory. Those children would forever carry the feast and the marriage in their minds so that during the lives of the groom’s children there would be no doubt as to the children’s inheritance rights.”

The point was this is where inheritance law came from. But the idea was, the marriage was conducted by the most important individual the groom could find. As the church has faded from life the government has become the most important thing in our lives. We need to reverse this and I agree with the author. Get government and tax laws and insurance laws out of marriage.

If the spouse is to be covered by insurance, then that should be between the insured and his insurance company.


35 posted on 03/19/2013 4:44:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Reaganite Republican

Its been my opinion for a long time.

Why do you need a license if the action is considered illegal without a license?

There was a time when cohabitating was illegal, it no longer is. So why would you get a government license?

You cannot prevent people from stating that they are married or that they are a dog for that matter.

There are few benefits to getting a government license, in fact, there are many penalities. It would be better to take the gigantic tax savings and pay a small amount for a power of attorney.

Get married in the church and tell the government to go fly a kite.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 4:49:14 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: tje

“After gay marriage is going to come polygamy. It’s going to be a constant irritant.”

BINGO!

We need to get rid of these issue politically, it will NEVER end, and it will NEVER help us... just like we should probably quit doing TV debates unless they stop it with the ‘progressive’ moderators...


37 posted on 03/19/2013 4:50:03 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
Giving up is cowardly. Defend what is Holy and Good. Government should support what is good especially if it is in society's best interest.

By the way, whoever wrote the article is a heretic.

38 posted on 03/19/2013 4:50:58 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: Reaganite Republican

not as long as there is money to be made and elections to be won

common sense and logic cannot overcome political inertia


39 posted on 03/19/2013 4:56:59 AM PDT by fnord (My life is like the movie Willard, except with hummingbirds)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

It is up to churches, mine of course would never consider such a thing.

What I am for is making the term ‘marriage’ irrelevant to government, BF- take it out of the tax code and such.

I am sick of gay issues and they never are going to help our party, going along with the left doesn’t’ help and fighting it doesn’t really help.

The government will only recognize a legal household, and only for the simplest of things. Government also needs to be out of the adoption business and all such things, I was adopted from a Catholic childrens’ home, the kind that would never have used me in a cruel social experiment with some gay couple... I can’t trust gov’t to do the right thing like that , NO way

With that out of gov’ts hands, they don’t need to care who calls themselves married anymore, it will have no legal significance whatsoever.


40 posted on 03/19/2013 4:57:29 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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