Skip to comments.British National Archives show a son was born to Obama Sr. in 1961 in Kenya
Posted on 05/04/2013 7:35:39 PM PDT by bgill
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Do you really believe that the kenyan was married to a woman in 1954 and they didn’t have a child until 1958?
If they were married in 1954, their first very well could have been six years of age when the kenyan got on that aircraft in 1959 in August.
There’s nothing provenanced about who is who and when and what their real names were/are. I just cannot get over how everyone tries to apply their own culture to tribal africa.
Local talk (in an oral society, that’s like a newspaper) had it that the student who graduated from Maseno, the one who had good grades, went to the US for his education when he graduated.
So, from that, would you be prepared to say you know for certain which one of the two brothers graduated, left Kenya soon afterwards, and which one married Kezia in 1954?
I sure can’t.
I’m aware of those alleged children of BHO Sr. (”Alleged” because even BHO Sr.’s stepmother Sarah, who was in Kenya and witnessed many of these births, doubted herself that all of the children credited to him were truly his.)
None of the children in that family tree are reported to have been born in Kenya in 1961—not Roy, Auma, Abo (Samson), or Bernard.
Even though BHO II himself claimed that honor via his publisher, for 17 years.
Are we to believe that every child of Kezia’s is listed there, especially if the circumstances of one’s birth are potentially shameful or at least very inconvenient?
Are we to believe that all the children listed there are truly BHO Sr.’s children? Is doctorzebra the final word on Obama family trees?
At the link I gave previously ( https://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/obama-mystery-theater-kezias-baby/ ), there’s evidence from a friend of BHO Sr.’s (Leo Odera), who reported to a biographer of the so-called president that Kezia became pregnant by another man while BHO Sr. was in Hawaii. That, he says, is exactly why BHO Sr. stopped writing to Kezia, why he claimed that he divorced her (the Muslim way), and why he started to look for another wife.
If it’s true that Kezia became pregnant, and if she subsequently gave birth to a son in Kenya in 1961, then that son might have been reported to the government as BHO Sr.’s child because Kezia was still listed as his legal widow in Kenyan government records after his death.
Was that child Barry?
He may have been Barry: an inconvenient child who was shipped off for adoption by Stanley Ann after a hurriedly arranged marriage to BHO Sr. It’s a possibility.
“Have you ever seen an actual, genuine, provenanced family tree for the Onyango Clan from the village of Kogelo?”
I’ve seen NO ACTUAL, GENUINE, PROVENANCED documentation for ANY of these people, but in particular the person who calls himself our president. That’s the conundrum from the beginning.
All we’re left with are myriad tidbits from numerous people (friends, purported relatives, various obot (or not) biographers, etc.).
From all that circumstantial and/or hearsay evidence, we have to deduce the probabilities to try to arrive at some narrative that is more likely than not to be true.
She could have had a child a year and they would all be recorded as the children of her absent husband.
Only if Kezia encountered a non black guy.
If the guy in the white hoiluse is the son of Kezia and some African non black guy then he most certainly isn’t a us citizen.
“She could have had a child a year and they would all be recorded as the children of her absent husband.”
I believe that’s likely to be true. It could explain why an exasperated Sarah might have made that statement about how none of them were BHO Sr.’s children.
There were whites in Nairobi, and nobody said anything about who her paramour was, so anything’s possible. That is, if you believe wholeheartedly that Barry’s half white, which I’m not ready to believe. The truth is out there; we just don’t know what it is. There could have been a son born in Kenya in 1961 who was named BHO II. Usually a second is NOT a son. A son is a junior. But I digress ...
Maybe just the identity was taken. Maybe the child sent to Hawaii to be adopted into the Dunham family was replaced by another child at some point. Maybe even a homeless foundling from somewhere in Java. Anything’s possible when we have no evidence to work with.
Lets keep things in the context of the British Archives, we have an entry in there for BARACK OBAMA (first name is phonetically spelled) and birth events for 1958 & 1960, and some sort of event in 1961.
Need birth dates for kezia’s two children; and when she married bho sr.
You want to limit the focus to something that isn't documented, and some sort of event in 1961
Need birth dates for kezias two children; and when she married bho sr.
Sorry, I can't help you, been looking for that since 2008. Now it's your turn. I'm just trying to show you how many questions there are.
Poor Kezia, she was so confused, the first time she met Stanley Ann Dunham, she thought the woman was RUTH!
Thanks for the clarification and the date of kezias marriage!
This quote was from greenperson:
My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961,even though her husband was in the USA. Its the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her.)
Thank you for your informative post. I had kept out of the subject of the birth of Barack Obama Jr for some weeks. I have to say from the point of view of any family historian it is a fascinating subject. At the same time I believe much is at stake. My trepidation is not so much fixed on President Obama himself, but on the radical ideas and doctrines that he has within his soul. That he has been exposed to these ideas from an early age is found in the book "Dreams From My Father".
I went to Indigo/Chapters Books, a Canadian book supplier and was pleased to see available the book you quote from.
The Other Barack Obama:
The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama's Father.
Twenty dollars is quite reasonable. I do not wish to nay say, about the expectancy that the birth of the now president can be traced to Kenya. You will no doubt be aware of the concern attributed to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. regarding Kezia. Whether or not this is yet another false lead, I don't know.
It seems in his absence in America, Kezia was seeing men in night clubs. It may seem a bit fanciful, but a theory was that she did have a child (not his) in 1961. The explanation about a cover up, was that a high ranking official such as Barack Sr. would not want it known. It would diminish his stature with that kind of cultural outlook.
All this is just speculation and I - after much study and research are none the wiser. (chuckle).
Something not quite right about the dates. Malik was six in 1959 when Obama senior left for Hawaii. Now, 2008, he is 50 and Obama II is 47? Someone who tracks these issues should double check, but barring some mystical event, Obama II should therefore be around 42. How did Barack II gain 5 years on Malik?
I know what you need. It’s what we have been trying to make sense of for five years. Writing here what you NEED isn’t going to get it for you. I don’t understand your attitude, I was brought up to believe if you want or need something, you have to learn to look under the rocks yourself.
I provide links. Have a look to see if we missed something. And you’ll get nothing out of the archives, not after Hillary has been there.
ps. Why bother to repeat my entire post back to me after your reply? It’s just messy and makes your comment hard to read.
My #133 got totally messed up by my ‘puter :0 so disregard it.
Frankly, I have grave doubts that he was married to Kezia at all, yes, there is a photograph of him sitting with Elizabeth Mooney, Kezia who has a young child with her, and a male person, at a picnic...but that woman and her child could also belong to an absent older brother of the kenyan student, and Elizabeth Mooney's relationship with the kenyan student wasn't exactly squeaky clean either, Nairobi gossip was apparently rife with the pair going for long country drives and going dancing together. He visited her in her home, she took photographs of him. There has to be a reason why he used two birth years, and why the older brother who attended school with him at Maseno was 'disappeared' and why his birth year shows as circa 1950's on wiki, when he was patently of the same generation as the kenyan student...
All this is just speculation and I - after much study and research are none the wiser. (chuckle).
And to be totally honest, neither am I...a high ranking official he certainly wasn't. He worked for Shell Oil in Nairobi, he didn't enter the Finance Ministry until AFTER MBOYA WAS ASSASSINATED.
The 75-year-old adds he knew Obama Sr when he worked for BP/Shell in Nairobi. One of his friends was President Kibaki. One day when I was walking with him in Nairobi, Kibaki, then the Minister for Finance stopped his car next to us and offered him a lift, says Tolo. He adds: The President rode with him to his office and I am told that was the day he got a job in the Treasury as an economist.
... What Obama found in Mooney was more complex. Part of her appeal for him was certainly the job. Working at the Literacy Center provided both social standing and the opportunity to rise. But Mooney and Obama also spent time together outside the office, enjoying rural drives and attending some of the popular evening dances. And that association brought a different kind of benefit for Obama. Among a certain kind of African man, just keeping company with a white woman provided considerable social status...
So you see, why I might wonder, just what was that missionary woman thinking, she encouraged him to write letters to various US universities seeking a scholarship, she, or the Laubach Literacy Fund, paid for his airfare to Hawaii, she contributed toward his living expenses during the early period in Hawaii, he only had enough funds for one semester, according to himself at an early interview...and all this, while he had a wife who was pregnant and a young child when he left Kenya. Is that how a missionary would behave? Encourage a young man to leave his wife and family...JUST WHO DID SHE ASSUME WAS GOING TO SUPPORT THEM?
And I think that would have posed a very serious problem for the author of 'Dreams' - one day that was going to surface, so better to be pre-emptive and include it in the narrative, that gave them the opportunity to accuse 'granny' Sahra of acting out of jealousy. (Which is how it was handled in the book, through words put into the mouth of Auma, the daughter of Kezia.)
However, one then needs to ask, what motive would the second wife of Onyango have, to feel jealous? None at all, if it were to turn out that the elder son YUSUF was the same Joseph who attended school with the kenyan student. The elder son would have had first rights to inherit from his father Onyango. And as his mother, the mother of the eldest son, Sarah retained her position as queen bee, so to speak. Nothing has transpired in recent times to show otherwise. The Elder, who wears the cap and carries the whisk, is the CLAN LEADER, and Malik has not inherited anything. It was Malik who had to ask Sarah's permission to build a mosque on the land, and she refused. When his behaviour became problematic, she apparently asked local authorities for help and he was warned he would be removed from the village.
I guess I need to find the links again...but I think you get the picture...makes one wonder, didn't Yusuf ever marry and have children? (Or was he the husband of Kezia all along, and that's where all the children came from...lol!)
Anyway, off I shall go tomorrow to order this book. I have only just ordered another book recommended on FR. It is "Karl Marx: A Nineteenth Century Life" by Jonathon Sperber. A good thing I just found a fifty dollar gift certificate given at Christmas. (laughs).
Is it just me or do all these white women resemble each other? SAD, Mooney, and Ruth Baker?
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