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Gun Owners Beware - Let's Not Act Like Hot-Headed Fools
Political Realities ^ | 05/05/13 | LD Jackson

Posted on 05/05/2013 9:16:53 AM PDT by LD Jackson

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1 posted on 05/05/2013 9:16:53 AM PDT by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson
Freedom of Speech means nothing is you refrain from saying things that the government doesn't want to hear.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms means nothing is you refrain from carrying arms in any situation where the government doesn't want you to.

I believe the right should be exercised. A lot.

2 posted on 05/05/2013 9:20:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (T)
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To: LD Jackson

Such an event is fine at capitols in open carry states but trying it in DC is begging for bad press.


3 posted on 05/05/2013 9:21:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LD Jackson
So much time and energy being wasted critiquing others efforts.
4 posted on 05/05/2013 9:25:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: LD Jackson

We hand wring all day while our rights are infringed. Let’s at least hand wring while we exercise our rights.


5 posted on 05/05/2013 9:25:18 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: cripplecreek

Bad press? How about a massacre.

This needs to be reserved for when you’re planning to use them, not when you’re simply saying “we will not be infringed”.


6 posted on 05/05/2013 9:28:22 AM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: LD Jackson

So long as no laws are broken, what is the problem?


7 posted on 05/05/2013 9:31:37 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: LD Jackson

And who the heck is being a hot head?

I reject that notion.


8 posted on 05/05/2013 9:32:31 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: LD Jackson

I don’t know about the politician and talk show host — never heard of him out here — but being civil and nice didn’t work with abortion and it isn’t going to preserve 2nd Amendment rights.


9 posted on 05/05/2013 9:33:19 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: LD Jackson

I like the idea of the march, but maybe they could use pitchforks instead. Would get the same point across, with loads of symbolism. Obama did threaten that there would be people marching with pitchforks, but he thought it would be in order to harm bankers.


10 posted on 05/05/2013 9:33:43 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

LD Jackson is correct.

The planned march is a bad idea and will not advance the cause to defend our Second Amendment rights.

An armed march would only provide gun grabbers with a photo-op to portray us as kooks.


11 posted on 05/05/2013 9:36:42 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: LD Jackson
"Let's Not Act Like Hot-Headed Fools"

You mean like a Democrat?


12 posted on 05/05/2013 9:43:43 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: LD Jackson
Kokesh is a nut.

That said, I believe in using Teddy Roosevelt's advice about speaking softly and carrying a big stick. There's no need to be demonstrative, but make all actions taken count - like at election time.

13 posted on 05/05/2013 9:47:05 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Defiant; everyone
In the zer0 world of D.C. am not certain pitchforks would obtain a marching permit. D.C. is on edge. My thought for the reason D.C. is on edge is they know the People have figured out what D.C. is up to and realize the People know their representatives are not doing the Peoples’ business but are instead doing other nations’ business against the People. Imho, this would give D.C. plenty of reasons to go ahead and finish the People. Imho, the People are holding their own for the moment. The Senate did not pass the first step of registration of firearms. As long as this holds and the Supreme Court does not hand down a 5 - 4 decision against firearms ownership there is a reason to march but not in the fashion being proposed. Should a 5 - 4 decision be handed down in the Supreme Court against firearm ownership or should Congress enact legislation requiring firearm registration it would then be time (imho) to march with pitchforks, tar and feathers. Till then ... I pray the People will not do something stupid. We should wait till the Supreme Court or Congress does something stupid first (imho).
14 posted on 05/05/2013 9:49:03 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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15 posted on 05/05/2013 9:52:09 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: LD Jackson
Any armed march with loaded weapons will surely be infiltrated with anti-gun agent-provocateurs. Somewhere along the march route it is almost a certainty that a person secretly working for the government will fire a shot in order to provoke violence. President 0bama and Attorney General Holder would just love for this march to take place. Any armed march gives President 0bama and Attorney General Holder too much opportunity to cause too much trouble. This armed march is a bad idea.
16 posted on 05/05/2013 9:55:34 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: mylife
So long as no laws are broken, what is the problem?

Well, laws would be broken. I think that's the intent. According to the article, they're going to assemble in VA, where what they would not be in violation, then cross into DC, where open loaded carry IS illegal.

17 posted on 05/05/2013 9:58:49 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: LD Jackson

Dear LD Jackson - It appear to this observer that someone it out of touch, does not know American history nor American practices nor American precedents.

viz:

http://news2.nnyln.net/ticonderoga-sentinel/search.html
RIFLES IN EVIDENCE
Chicago Witnesses Spectacle of
Armed Strike Breakers Protecting
Wagons....

Chicago May 2.—Chicago witnessed
today the spectacle of 1,000 nonunion
teamsters armed with Winchester rifles
protecting the wagons of the Employers’
Teaming company. Superintendent
Heed of the Employers’ Teaming
company “states that the rifles may
be carried without infraction of the
law. Chief of Police O’Neill said that
ho would make no attempt to remove
this bristling martial effect from Chicago’s
streets, saying:
“I will not seek to prevent what appears
to be legal. There is no law that
empowers me to prohibit men from
carrying unconcealed weapons, and I
will make no attempt to do so.

“I have seen many men carrying rifles
in the streets of Chicago, and I
never have been called on to molest
them, I could not interfere. I have
cautioned my men to warn all nonunion
and union men not to carry concealed
weapons, but in the matter of
rifles I am powerless.”
Wholesale importations of nonunion
men from St. Louis and the arrival of
Strike Breaker Farley from New York
have given a new turn to the strike.
Farley to Head Strike Breakers.
Immediately on his arrival Farley
held a conference wiih representatives
....
Every wagon sent by the Employers’
Teaming company is protected
by a rifle in the hands of the driver or
his assistant. Two thousand rifles were
ordered. together with ammunition
belt and distributed to the drivers.
The move has been carefully considered
anu the legal aspect looked into.
The officials of the Employers’ association
say they are acting under the
clause in the second amendment of the
federal constitution. which-.says. “The
right of the people to keep and bear
arms shall not be infringed.”
Under decisions of the United States
supreme court it is declared every man
has a right to protect his life or property
provided such arms are not concealed.”


18 posted on 05/05/2013 10:08:33 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: LD Jackson

You mean the Second Amendment isn’t about “The Sporting Use of Firearms”?


19 posted on 05/05/2013 10:10:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: bunkerhill7

date: thurs may 4 1905


20 posted on 05/05/2013 10:13:24 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: LD Jackson

We will never, EVER, get “good press” on the gun issue—EVER.
Not DC, NYC, LA—not anywhere the MSM holds sway.

If you don’t conprehend this by now, stop reading; climb back into yur hole and forget it.

Unconstitutional laws are NOT LAWS. That’s why they are called “unconstitutional”.

We are most likely going to have to fight this one out, so let’s all pick a good time and place. After all, nobody is going to live forever—at least not on this ball of mud.
The REAL question should be is this the right place and time?


21 posted on 05/05/2013 10:13:29 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The British are coming--to TAKE OUR GUNS"--Paul Revere)
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed. This is an idea so bad it makes me think a Prog thought of it as a way to smear legal gun owners.


22 posted on 05/05/2013 10:19:16 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: G Larry

Incorrect.
Standing up and and voicing you concerns about your God given right’s does not make you a kook.

Do not be frightened into submission.


23 posted on 05/05/2013 10:23:29 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: no-to-illegals

You are assuming that the permit mentions carrying pitchforks. All they would be doing is applying for a permit to march. Those that wanted to bring their farm implements would be no different than those who wanted to bring their wooden sticks with signs attached. I am not aware that gardening tools are illegal in DC.


24 posted on 05/05/2013 10:24:36 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Still Thinking

Well, that is a problem. Walk it right up to the line and protest that the Law in DC is a false law.


25 posted on 05/05/2013 10:25:29 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: Darren McCarty

Sage advice.


26 posted on 05/05/2013 10:26:43 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: bunkerhill7

George Washington did not bring a thousand armed colonists over to England to protest gun confiscation on the steps of the Royal Pavilion. He and his troops carried them into conflict for but one purpose, to win a shooting war for independence. I think that is a good example to follow.

Furthermore, Kokesh has a history of making alliances with the extreme left, ostensibly to advance his political career. If I were ever somehow talked into using weapons in a symbolic gesture like this, it would NOT be under the leadership of this highly compromised individual. Period.


27 posted on 05/05/2013 10:29:58 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Defiant
When the time comes and only when the time comes. I hate war as much as any sane person and am in FULL agreement we should avoid war, as long as is possible. zer0's crowd wants war with firearms owners and war between Americans. It furthers the zer0 crowds' agenda. A march with armed weaponry into D.C. guarantees a strong possibility of war. I understand fully this is also your belief or something similar. Imho, it is not time to start a war and to tell the truth, I completely believe you and I are on the same page. There is a time and a season for everything under Heaven. Will work to avoid war, for that time has not yet arrived under God, I pray.
28 posted on 05/05/2013 10:32:44 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Cyber Liberty
An example of how to do things right.

Michigan Dad Decides to Open Carry .45-Cal. Handgun at His Daughter’s School

He knew the law and went above and beyond what was required to cover himself. He also cautions against doing it.
29 posted on 05/05/2013 10:37:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

That was a pretty good story (I saw it the other day). The stunt described in the OP here is in blatant violation of the DC law, while the story you linked is about a guy doing something perfectly legal. I don’t think what they’re talking about doing would be legal if the guns were unloaded.


30 posted on 05/05/2013 10:41:26 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: mylife

And be prepared to deal with the consequences if that pseudo-law is pseudo-breached and pseudo-enforced against you, with no good long term results. It’s the Patton thing. I hate to lose. Giving the left a great youtube video to promote gun control while losing my freedom and maybe my life, with absolutely no prospect of converting that particular situation into a real win? Not interested. Put me in Benghazi violating a top-level order to stand down because if I obey that order, American lives will needlessly be lost? That is a fight worth winning, and a danger worthy to accept, as the reasonable price of freedom.


31 posted on 05/05/2013 10:42:53 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Another important point about what the Michigan father did. He put his own butt on the line without trying to get others to do the same.


32 posted on 05/05/2013 10:48:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Darren McCarty
There's no need to be demonstrative, but make all actions taken count - like at election time.

WE did and got The Kenyan, twice and Hillary's posterior is on the horizon as the successor to the destroy, loot and pillage dicta of the one world order.

33 posted on 05/05/2013 10:49:41 AM PDT by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: cripplecreek
Such an event is fine at capitols in open carry states but trying it in DC is begging for bad press.

We already have bad press from every leftist extremist "news" media operation in the country. That bad press has played a significant role in driving NRA membership from ±4.5 million to over 5 million in the past few months. This is supposed to be a problem because...?

I feel no obligation whatever to be polite to people who've declared their intention to reduce us to disarmed state serfdom.

34 posted on 05/05/2013 10:51:07 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: mylife

“Standing up and and voicing you concerns about your God given right’s”

HOW you choose to do that, makes a difference.

Marching to D.C. openly armed is STUPID!


35 posted on 05/05/2013 10:55:27 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: Springfield Reformer

But John Paul Jones` crew raided the pub in Whitehaven with several drinks which is the same thing as a 1000 man march on London.

BTW there are no geological restrictions on the Second Amendment, no matter who tells you what coz the SECOND AMENDMENT CANNOT BE RESTRICTED BY TIME, SPACE NOR TYRANNY.


36 posted on 05/05/2013 10:59:41 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: onyx

37 posted on 05/05/2013 11:01:38 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: varon
We got the Kenyan partly because we had squish McCain and anti-gun Romney as alternatives. The best as a gun owner I could say is vote for them, they suck less. Some of the more union minded folks are waking up and finding out that, yeah - they are gun grabbers. (Duhhh)

What would some demonstrative march viewed as a threat do? Especially led by guy like Kokesh. It's inviting trouble - on government turf, on government terms. If I'm going to be leading a 1000 member march, instead of an armed march with loaded rifles, I'll be visiting the congressional offices.

What happens if "we" supposedly "win" the confrontation there? Nothing.

Best case scenario, media trouble, suburban soccer mom types scared. Worst case. Kokesh or one of his followers does something stupid to make a "point." This is the equivalent of George Tiller's ghost leading a pro-choice rally.

If there is God-forbid an armed confrontation, I'm making sure it is on my turf, on my terms, with my escape routes, and where I have the advantage.

38 posted on 05/05/2013 11:05:51 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: LD Jackson

It’s a leftist provocation to make gun owners look crazy.


39 posted on 05/05/2013 11:12:21 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ClearCase_guy
Here in Commiefornia, Open Carry advocates were organizing events to promote their Constitutional Rights.

The Libtards were horrified seeing these “mostly white men” carrying their (unloaded) Pistolas and whined to the Rats in Sacramento to do something.

Well, Open Carry was outlawed last year. Not for just handguns, but long guns as well. Being a Gun Owner here is akin to being a Jew in 1936 Berlin.

40 posted on 05/05/2013 11:15:49 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Cancer was contagious, they would call it Liberalism...)
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To: Flintlock
"We are most likely going to have to fight this one out, so let’s all pick a good time and place.".....and target. Then, on a given day from millions of citizens, a handful of Patriots unknown to each other, will visit the fate of the Hydra upon them.
41 posted on 05/05/2013 11:22:39 AM PDT by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: LD Jackson

What should the Allies have done to prevent the Nazi press from giving them bad coverage?


42 posted on 05/05/2013 12:13:21 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Darren McCarty

“Tuebor”


43 posted on 05/05/2013 12:29:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rgboomers; LD Jackson
"Somewhere along the march route it is almost a certainty that a person secretly working for the government will fire a shot in order to provoke violence."

You hit the nail on the head, and that is why this proposal should not be supported by any intelligent patriots.

44 posted on 05/05/2013 12:39:57 PM PDT by semaj
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To: LD Jackson
But if one listens to the leftists-socialists one hears them say: Pay no attention to history it may offend someone.
45 posted on 05/05/2013 12:42:55 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: G Larry

We have over turned these laws.
DC Vs Heller comes to mind.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson reworked these laws successfully.


46 posted on 05/05/2013 12:54:19 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: G Larry

I for one am very happy that a Free Agent, named Ted Cruz is disturbing the Hoi Palloi in DC.

Be Polite, and have a plan.


47 posted on 05/05/2013 12:58:26 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: LD Jackson

I don’t care how noble the cause or how brilliant the planned action is, I’m not going to follow some commie kook who masquerades as a Republican and lies about his military service to get elected.


48 posted on 05/05/2013 1:29:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: LD Jackson

This plan sure smells like something Eric Holder fomented. If it happens it’ll give him and Obama all they need to get any gun control legislation passed in the senate.


49 posted on 05/05/2013 1:36:47 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: LD Jackson
Having said that, I do believe it falls on gun owners and other liberty-loving individuals in America to behave in responsibly. This is especially true in high-profile events where it is highly likely that the media will take the slightest misstep and portray it in a way that will not be to our advantage.

How politically correct of you!

Pardon my intrusion, but since I regard the MSM, and specially PBS lower than worm excrement, I refuse to pattern my life, my outlook and my opinions on the fear of how they might react.

The constant stream of omissions, distortions and outright fabrications by the MSM without criticism, can only give validity to what amounts to the propaganda arm of the most vile, dishonest and oppressive U.S. government ever.
I refuse to join your "progressive" club. Nothing personal.

50 posted on 05/05/2013 2:03:59 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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