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Greenfield: Islam is the Problem
Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, June 02, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 06/03/2013 4:57:22 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, June 02, 2013

Islam is the Problem

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog
On a mild London afternoon, two Muslims rammed a car into a British soldier returning to the barracks after working at the Tower of London. They shouted Allah Akbar and hacked and slashed at his body in an attempt to behead him. By the time they were done, his body could only be identified through dental records.

Shortly afterward, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that “there is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act”. London Mayor Boris Johnson added, “It is completely wrong to blame this killing on Islam.”

Now former Prime Minister Tony Blair has thrown in his two pence writing, "There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature."

Blair previously claimed to have read the Koran every day, but apparently did not get as far as Chapter 5, which contains the verses that the Muslim murderers quoted after their butchery. And that’s understandable. Between his business deals with the Qatari royal family, which is behind much of the terrorism in the Middle East, the Kuwaiti royal family and the royals of the United Arab Emirates, it stands to reason that Tony probably never got past a few verses a day.

It’s easy to picture Tony Blair after a hot muggy day of clasping the greasy hands of Emirs and Sheikhs and trading his expertise for blood money, remembering to always eat with the right hand, not the left, returning to his five star hotel room, climbing into bed with his room Koran, flipping it open to the first chapter, reading, “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful” and deciding that sounds peaceful enough, letting his head hit the pile of plush pillows and calling it a day. If Tony had made it as far as Chapter 2, where the Koran proclaims “Fight in the cause of Allah”, then the expert on Islam might have been able to entertain some doubts about its truly peaceful nature.

In what the Daily Mail describes as a “brave assault on Muslim extremism”, Blair writes, “There is not a problem with Islam... But there is a problem within Islam – from the adherents of an ideology that is a strain within Islam.”

It is rather sad that political bravery now consists of admitting that there may be some sort of problem within Islam and that it “is not the province of a few extremists... the world view goes deeper and wider than it is comfortable for us to admit.” Having exhausted all his courage by admitting that there is a problem somewhere within Islam, Blair bravely avoids admitting it by babbling about international affairs and the need to intervene in Syria.

Over in Afghanistan, Lee Rigby, the murdered soldier, might have been credited with a brave assault on “Muslim extremism”. Blair, writing a Daily Mail article that concedes that the problem may be a bit bigger than just that legendary tiny minority of extremists is hardly in that category.

Political courage now involves minimizing a grave threat less than all the other politicians who are also minimizing the grave threat. If the political consensus is that the mountain is nothing but a molehill, the brave pol courageously comes out and says that it’s actually a minor hill.

But let’s take Blair at face value for a moment. If there is a problem within Islam, then how can the problem not be with Islam? If Tony Blair had picked up a virulent intestinal parasite on a trip to Dubai, wouldn’t there be a problem both within Blair and with Blair? If there is an epidemic of drug abuse in the United Kingdom, isn’t there a problem both with and within the UK? Can there really be a problem within Islam that involves the willingness of millions of Muslims to kill in the name of Islam that is not also a problem with Islam?

The purpose of Blair’s meaningless distinction is to contend that it’s not a structural problem with Islam, but some sort of aberrant mutation brought on by Western colonialism. The trouble with that is that it requires a willful refusal to address the actual text of the Koran and the entire body of Islamic history.

Even if we were to assume that the problematic “strain” of Islam is not universally representative, who exactly is Tony Blair to declare it so based on his casual readings of a book that contains more death threats per page than the Daily Mail’s comments section?

Governments are not supposed to define the nature of religion or pick and choose between various sects. And indeed the legality of declaring that one form of Islam is legitimate and another is not has frequently been challenged.

It is the role of Muslims to argue amongst themselves what is and isn’t legitimate Islam. Such an argument is currently being waged in Syria using the theology of heavy artillery and death squads. Perhaps Tony Blair should think twice before involving the UK in such an Islamic religious debate or trying to hold one at home.

No government should be determining what is and isn’t legitimate Islam. What they should be doing is addressing threats emanating from Islam. There is no need to study the Koran in order to understand those threats. Muslim terrorists have been willing to patiently explain that they are killing us in the name of Islam. We can take them at their word or, like Blair and Boris, foolishly argue the doctrines of their religion with them.

If Tony Blair returned home from Kuwait City with the Swine Flu, the authorities would quarantine him without making any fine distinctions as to whether there was something wrong with Tony or within Tony. Like the nature of the one true Islam, that is a metaphysical question that governments are not qualified to answer.

If the UK quarantines foreigners and even natives with the Swine Flu, which has killed far fewer Brits than Islamic terrorism, should it not begin quarantining the even more dangerous strain of Islam?

It was Blair’s government that brought the Islamic plague to the United Kingdom in large numbers as part of a deliberate policy to forcibly transform the UK into a multicultural paradise. That policy has led to constant killings by the affected and the spread of strains of Islam to non-Muslims like the two Woolwich attackers.

There is no question that Islam is the problem. When men kill in the name of Islam, they are making a bloody statement that Islam is the problem. The only remaining question is whether to stop importing more strains of the terrorist disease before it’s too late or to waste more time splitting hairs on what exact percentage of the affected are truly dangerous.

1 in 4 British Muslims said that the 7/7 bombings were justified. If 1 in 4 visitors from Pakistan were infected with the Swine Flu, there would be an immediate ban on travel from Pakistan. It may be time to apply the logic of the quarantine to stop the Islamic strain that Blair brought to the United Kingdom.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: blair; cameron; greenfield; islam; jihad; koran; kuwait; middleeast; muslim; muslimextremism; qatari; sultanknish; uk; unitedkingdom; wot
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1 posted on 06/03/2013 4:57:22 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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Perhaps the Brits could make appeal to the Bard, “A rose by any other name....”
Elsewhere I notice Shariah law is the foundation of Islamic related social issues in the Justice Dept. Greenfield makes it clear, Islam is the problem. It is a problem that worsens daily.
Purging our culture and government of homocidal maniacs will have to be put on the TO DO list at some point. Just not quite yet. We need to suffer a bit more first.


2 posted on 06/03/2013 5:02:32 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

The same problem for 1400 years.

Where’s Charles Martel or Vlad Tepish when you need ‘em?


3 posted on 06/03/2013 5:11:09 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Greenfield: Islam is the Problem

The Sultan reads FR posts I see.

4 posted on 06/03/2013 5:16:50 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Louis Foxwell

And the English citizens are disarmed.

Stupid move.

Click! Bam!


5 posted on 06/03/2013 5:19:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Louis Foxwell

For a Christian country to open their cultural arms to Islam by inclusion in their immigration quotas is to open themselves to the death cult, and the other Gods, that the children of Israel were warned repeatedly against. In fact the worship of Gods inferior to the one true God was the eventual downfall of ancient Israel. Destruction assured by the jealous God they chose to ignore.

You know, the God who brought them out of Egypt by and through his power over their masters even showering them with gifts on their departure so eager were they to be done with “The Hebrew God” and his power. Except they thought to kill them in the desert and even that went against the most powerful army in the region.


6 posted on 06/03/2013 5:33:05 AM PDT by wita
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To: Texas Fossil

> Now former Prime Minister Tony Blair has thrown in his two pence writing, “There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature.”

Obviously Blair doesn’t want to be targeted, having his home and vehicles wired up with bombs. I would imagine his real opinion off-camera would be quite different or at lest I would hope so.


7 posted on 06/03/2013 5:34:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Louis Foxwell
Political courage now involves minimizing a grave threat less than all the other politicians who are also minimizing the grave threat.

Classic Greenfield profundity.

8 posted on 06/03/2013 5:56:15 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: jsanders2001

Agreed.

Click! Bam!


9 posted on 06/03/2013 5:56:36 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Louis Foxwell
Shortly afterward, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that “there is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act”. London Mayor Boris Johnson added, “It is completely wrong to blame this killing on Islam.”

When you think about it infidels saying those things is insulting to Islam. Like saying Holy Communion has nothing to do with Catholicism.

10 posted on 06/03/2013 5:59:49 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Plan "B" is now Plan "A")
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To: Louis Foxwell

Islam is a totalitarian ideology with a political imperative, that is violent, coercive, repressive, and supremacist. It should not be treated as a religion until it reforms itself.

Islam is, was, and ever shall be our implacable enemy. GWB’s fatal PC naivete and cowardice in declaring Islam the religion of peace has completely disarmed us.

Self preservation dictates that we do what is necessary to defeat the enemy. The threat posed by Islam is no different than that posed by Nazism, and should be treated as such.

One cannot incite to riot, murder and violence as speech. Murder, violence, and oppression are foundational to Islam. It must be pulled up, root and branch. It must be rejected by the West.


11 posted on 06/03/2013 6:15:26 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Louis Foxwell
“There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature.”

And there it is. The reason I rejected PC when it began its virulent stage at about the time I was coming of age. This ball-less, bowel-less male has surrendered his manhood to serve....WHAT? Doesn't matter, really. PC from the start asked people to accept lies, salute lies, support lies and MOUTH lies. THIS is the reason that that conditioning was done; it had nothing to do with getting girls on the police force or into the fire dept. It was preparing and positioning people to support OBVIOUS untruth in the destruction of God fearing Culture.

Lies, however seemingly slight, are an abandonment of God. Late in his life Mark Twain railed against “white lies”. Clearly he was reacting to what he perceived as an absolute rule against lying. He wrote of using harmless lies to buffer the pain some family might feel at the hour of death or in the case of the dying person herself. As we are seeing today lies are pernicious and dangerous. Examine Blair's’ line quoted above. It was uttered by an educated, sophisticated former leader of a major western nation....and it flies in the face of commonly known history. It is UTTERLY unsupportable and untrue AND BLAIR KNOWS IT!.

12 posted on 06/03/2013 6:20:01 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The purpose of Blair’s meaningless distinction is to contend that it’s not a structural problem with Islam, but some sort of aberrant mutation brought on by Western colonialism. The trouble with that is that it requires a willful refusal to address the actual text of the Koran and the entire body of Islamic history.

Well, of course. This is the only possible way the Left relates to ANYthing: self-blame and willful ignorance.

Great article, thanks.

13 posted on 06/03/2013 6:21:50 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Thanks for the ping.

"Three Things About Islam."

14 posted on 06/03/2013 6:25:14 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The fix was in for the last election and the fixers are planning the next coup via electronic voting machine. Hillary will be the next president. The republicans didn't squeal fraud last time around so why should they do so now?

Hillary and Bill sold out the Serbs and bombed them into oblivion so the Albanians and Bosnians could form up a moslem state.

The Bosnian Sons of Islam are ready to take Greece. No one is rushing to stop the takeover of Greece by Moslems, it's not even reported in the news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmERXkIws1c

We can't wait for more misery.

15 posted on 06/03/2013 7:21:35 AM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: Louis Foxwell
Now former Prime Minister Tony Blair has thrown in his two pence writing, "There is not a problem with Islam. For those of us who have studied it, there is no doubt about its true and peaceful nature."

Strange:

Tony Blair says murder of Lee Rigby PROVES 'there is a problem within Islam'

The ideology behind Lee Rigby's murder is profound and dangerous. Why don't we admit it?: Tony Blair launches a brave assault on Muslim extremism after Woolwich attack

What's Greenfield's source? Much as I dislike Blair, it seems he's got it right for once.

16 posted on 06/03/2013 7:39:22 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Louis Foxwell

Thank you Mr Greenfield...

I posted a Daily Mail article in FR on Blair and his current thoughts about Islam the other day...

Tony Blair says murder of Lee Rigby PROVES ‘there is a problem within Islam’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3026272/posts


17 posted on 06/03/2013 7:53:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Louis Foxwell

” 1 in 4 British Muslims said that the 7/7 bombings were justified. If 1 in 4 visitors from Pakistan were infected with the Swine Flu, there would be an immediate ban on travel from Pakistan. It may be time to apply the logic of the quarantine to stop the Islamic strain that Blair brought to the United Kingdom. “

B U M P


18 posted on 06/03/2013 10:24:05 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Moltke

Blair misses the issue. He says there is a problem in Islam, not a problem with Islam. Islam is the problem. He is taking the same position as all the other PC crowd. He says there are a few extremists who need to be purged from the religion of peace. He does not admit Islam is a religion of murder and mayhem.


19 posted on 06/03/2013 11:28:28 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

In vs. With?

This reminds me of the old joke - “Don’t worry dude. We’re not laughing AT you - we’re laughing ABOUT you.”


20 posted on 06/03/2013 11:31:35 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Louis Foxwell
Heh.

That depends on what the word 'in' means. /Bill Clinton

Seriously, you're splitting hairs here. And, actually, Blair does deviate from the usual 'a few extremists' rhetoric with his statement, contrary to what you assert:

"But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies." (Tony Blair, in the first link I provided, and may he rot in hell anyway)

That is more outspoken than anything I've read from any British 'top politician' or 'elder statesman' since Winston Churchill or Enoch Powell. But I get that you will defend Greenfield, right or wrong. Me, I just take every statement as it comes, and will criticize where criticism is due. Anyway, do you have a source for the quote I initially cited?

21 posted on 06/03/2013 12:12:25 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke

Sorry, no citation. I was using your paraphrase. As to supporting Greenfield come hell or high water, perhaps. I have found criticism is often shallower than those who are critiqued. Meanings can run deep and germinal thought is rarely superficial. I tend to struggle with my lack of understanding rather than simply dismiss that which I do not understand as wrong.
Not saying you are dismissing out of hand. Your quote seems to be a good one and Blair’s comment pretty clear. I would like to evaluate it in light of his commitment to “pluralistic, liberal, open-minde3d societies.”
It would be nice to think western culture is on the cusp of enlightenment in spite of the blatant stupidity and arrogance of our own POTUS.
Thanks for the post.
Lou


22 posted on 06/03/2013 1:12:16 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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23 posted on 06/03/2013 5:04:27 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Moltke
Not to butt in too much here, but Blair does call it a strain and it saying that the root of islam's foundations aren't what drive it (the murderous behavior of the multitudinous factions of islam).

That is the difference between the all encompassing WITH vs. the much restrained and intentionally disarming meme he presents when using the term "within".

While that be more outspoken, Blair does manage to split hairs pretty darned fine to begin with...

Re-read the sentence you posted with the emphasis added in this way: "But I am afraid this strain is not the province of a few extremists. It has at its heart a view about religion and about the interaction between religion and politics that is not compatible with pluralistic, liberal, open-minded societies."

I intentionally do not capitalize the word islam, I find that it doesn't deserve the reverence it receives when done...

24 posted on 06/03/2013 6:08:08 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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