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Student Faces Expulsion For Playing With Toy Gun In His Own Yard
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | 9-24-2013 | John Hawkins

Posted on 09/24/2013 7:30:37 AM PDT by servo1969

A suspended seventh-grade student in Virginia Beach, Va., could be expelled for the rest of the school year for shooting an airsoft gun with a friend in his yard as they waited for the bus to come.

Khalid Caraballo, 12, and his friend, Aidan, were suspended for “possession, handling and use of a firearm” because they “shot two other friends who were with them while playing” with the airsoft guns, WAVY-TV reported.

…Caraballo answered “no, sir,” when asked if he took the toy gun to the bus stop or to school.

“We were in our yard. This had nothing to do with school,” the student said.

Caraballo’s mother, Angel, said being punished for “possession, handling and use of a firearm” was “pretty harsh” for a toy that she bought for $25.


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KEYWORDS: airsoft; banglist; bloodoftyrants; democrats; govtabuse; guncontrol; liberalfascism; liberalism; rapeofliberty; secondamendment; tyranny
The message is being sent:

Guns are bad. Guns are bad. Guns are always bad.
If you shoot a gun you are a criminal.
If you touch a gun you are a criminal.
If you own a gun you are a criminal.
Only the State may touch guns.

The disarming of the next generation is both mental and physical.
Our children will grow to be like passive working elephants.
They are being tied up with large chains on their ankles.
They will come to believe the chain is unbreakable.
Then as adults it will only take a small rope to restrain them.
In this way they will be passive and easily controlled.
Neither mental nor physical resistance will be in their nature.
The mental neutering of males continues unabated.

1 posted on 09/24/2013 7:30:38 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

The inmates are running the asylum.


2 posted on 09/24/2013 7:32:14 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: SkyDancer

Nurf guns and rubber tipped Bow and Arrows are next. What about Paintball?


3 posted on 09/24/2013 7:35:32 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

in his own yard?


4 posted on 09/24/2013 7:36:28 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: servo1969

“Neither mental nor physical resistance will be in their nature.
The mental neutering of males continues unabated.”

You are 100% correct. And there aren’t enough of us resisting. This country will look very different in 20 years.


5 posted on 09/24/2013 7:36:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: servo1969

The only solution is a lawsuit and a large financial penalty against the school district.

There must be consequences for those who hire these idiots and let them run amok, trashing the constitutional rights and protections of children and parents.


6 posted on 09/24/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: GeronL

Yeah, I see lawsuit here.


7 posted on 09/24/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: servo1969

You forgot:

If you think about a gun you are a criminal.


8 posted on 09/24/2013 7:38:04 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: servo1969

oh no, I downloaded “Battle Tanks” on my nieces school tablet computer, she is a goner. lol


9 posted on 09/24/2013 7:38:10 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: servo1969

Not my kids.
We homeschool.
Firearm proficiency is an essential course.


10 posted on 09/24/2013 7:39:40 AM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: brownsfan
And there aren’t enough of us resisting.

Upon what do you base that conclusion? Media reports? Don't fall for the spin...Gun and ammo sales have never been higher.

11 posted on 09/24/2013 7:40:19 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: brownsfan

When they grab the guns out of the video games and there’s little reaction, then you’ll know it’s over.


12 posted on 09/24/2013 7:40:54 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: servo1969
Political Correctness on Steroids! Sounds like the Obama Brown Shirts are working over time...who reported this child...names please. Private property is private property...look where this is going folks...
13 posted on 09/24/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by yoe (Defund Obamacare now — or there will be a voter backlash in 2014.)
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To: massgopguy

Paint ball dangerous, ummm water pistols?????


14 posted on 09/24/2013 7:41:29 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Fresh Wind

I would have been on death row at 10 or so.


15 posted on 09/24/2013 7:41:31 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Waryone
When they grab the guns out of the video games...

Thing is, they won't do that. They *want* them there. It further's the cause of citizens acquiring weapons so that the government can further abuse and terrorize them.

16 posted on 09/24/2013 7:44:19 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Clump
"Firearm proficiency is an essential course."

Like swimming or crossing the street, gun use and safety are essential in a free society. Home schooling is preferable in many areas.

17 posted on 09/24/2013 7:46:00 AM PDT by yoe (Defund Obamacare now — or there will be a voter backlash in 2014.)
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To: servo1969

Cops got involved. Whole story here

http://www.wavy.com/news/local/va-beach/has-zero-tolerance-gone-too-far


18 posted on 09/24/2013 7:48:01 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: servo1969
In the other thread, the actual letter from the school states that the reason for the suspension was because the kid was assaulting other kids at the bus stop with it, NOT because of simple possession.

The kid was an idiot and thug-in-training.

19 posted on 09/24/2013 7:49:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: servo1969
We used to play with real guns, both before and after school. I guess we'd be killed by SWAT today. Chances are we would have taken a couple of them with us. We were pretty good shots and knew how to use cover. In those days squirrels and chucks weren't so nearly tame as they are now. You had to know some woodcraft.

Nowadays the only play permissible for boys is to play with themselves.

20 posted on 09/24/2013 7:52:33 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Iron Munro
The only solution is a lawsuit and a large financial penalty against the school district.

There are actually much better solutions personally involving the fascists who are persecuting this child but to suggest them may be illegal.

21 posted on 09/24/2013 7:55:17 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Cyber Liberty

“Upon what do you base that conclusion? Media reports? Don’t fall for the spin...Gun and ammo sales have never been higher.”

I base it purely on my surroundings. I’m in the blue part of Ohio, and I can tell you, it’s already gone.


22 posted on 09/24/2013 7:55:55 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: brownsfan

If you live in a blue region, I can see your point of view. Sometimes to flee is the only option, and that’s only if you have the means to do so.


23 posted on 09/24/2013 8:00:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: servo1969

Don’t think they should be expelled, but want to point out that airsoft are more like BB guns.

My son and huband do not shoot them in our neighborhood. They play in organizwec games and the always wear protective eye gear.

They are not a nerf or water gun!!


24 posted on 09/24/2013 8:03:46 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: PapaBear3625
In the other thread, the actual letter from the school states that the reason for the suspension was because the kid was assaulting other kids at the bus stop with it, NOT because of simple possession. The kid was an idiot and thug-in-training.

I agree that they were firing projectiles at kids off their property, so their defense in that regard doesn't hold up. But when did an airsoft gun become a firearm?

25 posted on 09/24/2013 8:05:02 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Waryone

Yeah, that’s never going to happen. Nobody wants to play games where you give flowers to the other player, so it would kill the whole industry.


26 posted on 09/24/2013 8:20:20 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: servo1969

The left doesn’t like balls.


27 posted on 09/24/2013 8:20:41 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Iron Munro
Another lawsuit needs to be against the idiot 911 caller who is also the mother of one of the kids playing with the oh so scary guns. Unbelievable. These ninnies make me "uncomfortable" to the extreme.

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher... Ironically, that 911 caller's son was playing with Khalid and Aidan in the Caraballo front yard

http://www.wavy.com/news/local/va-beach/has-zero-tolerance-gone-too-far

28 posted on 09/24/2013 8:22:48 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: bgill

and the first step in the lawsuit is to fill a restraining order against the caller. Next step is sueing the VA Beach Public Schools because by law, airsoft guns are not firearms in Virginia. Angry email going out to State Rep tonight because this airsoft is a firearm crap has been going on for a while. It was supposedly fixed a few sessions ago, but maybe VA Beach has not gotten the message.


29 posted on 09/24/2013 9:10:01 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: ClayinVA

In many city anything that launches any projectile is illegal,because one evening thirty years ago the majority on city council passed an ordinance that was never challenged.Nearly all cities make discharge of a firearm within city limits a crime. The tricky ones added BB guns,dart guns,bows and arrows, and everything else to the definition. And for that matter in the 1950s some people target practiced with .22CB in large basements or backyards.

Firearms possesion and knowledge by the general populace is a danger to tyrants;that is why the push to eliminate guns.


30 posted on 09/24/2013 9:21:15 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Cyber Liberty; brownsfan

brownsfan - My kids BOTH shoot “Expert”, rifle AND pistol. 21 and 18. Been shooting since they were tiny. So does my wife.

I’ve taken their friends to the range. I’ve taken their friends’ PARENTS to the range. I’ve taken my wife’s friends to the range. I’ve taken kids from the youth baseball team I coached to the range for “Kids At The Range Day”.

You CAN make a difference. Just make it a point to DO it. I became a certified instructor just so I COULD make a difference.

As Cyber Liberty pointed out, gun and ammo sales are indeed through the roof.

Push back, and push back HARD. We’ve won right to carry in almost every state.

Kids today know MORE about guns and types of guns from Call Of Duty/Modern Warfare, Black Ops, and other video games than we EVER knew growing up. That’s fertile ground. The interest is already there; you just have to teach them properly.

Take EVERY opportunity to educate them on their rights, and the fact that ANYONE trying to take that right away from them is the enemy.

Fight fire with fire. This is winnable. It’s OURS to lose.

Every generation gets it’s chance to fight for its liberty; sometimes, it’s not so clear that it’s happening. And in some cases, that moment passes by without ANY fight happening (which is why we are where are right now).

But this - THIS is as clear and bright a line as you’ll ever see, right now. And how you decide to jump in the fight is what matters - what you, and me, and every other Patriot across the country does to counter the libtard psychopaths is what matters.

All of us older gunnies - We ARE the resistance, brother. And we are teaching younger folks who the enemy is.


31 posted on 09/24/2013 9:26:58 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: luckystarmom; servo1969

“...but want to point out that airsoft are more like BB guns...”

They shoot 6mm PLASTIC BBs, and while yes it COULD damage an eye from a careless shot, when they hit the body, it only stings a little bit.

Was the kid wrong for shooting other kids with it? Yeah, his father or mother should have walked outside and smacked him upside the head for doing that - and THAT should have been the end of it.

Boys will ALWAYS be boys and have a healthy curiosity for ANYTHING that goes bang, boom, blam... and we need to teach them accordingly and safely.

And Airsoft guns are great for teaching fundamentals - trigger squeeze, sight picture, proper safety. My kids learned on .22s at the range, and Airsoft pistols in the den and yard.


32 posted on 09/24/2013 9:38:57 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Moonman62
But when did an airsoft gun become a firearm?

I agree that this is ridiculous. It's a means of holding a serious criminal charge over the kid's head, as a way to force him to plea-bargain and settle.

33 posted on 09/24/2013 9:39:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Moonman62
But when did an airsoft gun become a firearm?

The same time partial Pop-Tarts did.

34 posted on 09/24/2013 10:06:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Meanwhile Jack Harry Stiles, a registered Democrat and known Obamqa supporter has been arrested for planning to shoot up the Salt Lake city mall with a REAL gun and the media won’t sy shit about it.: Anyone surprised ?


35 posted on 09/24/2013 10:15:31 AM PDT by tyrion
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To: hoosierham

Virginia has the Dillon Rule where all Gun Laws must come from the State Legislature. So most of these regulation are illegal when it comes to firearms other than the discharge within city limits thing. I cannot remember if the VCDL had the rule apply to airsoft or not, but it has come up a few times to take away the local rights to regulate non-firearms. I will try to look it up.


36 posted on 09/24/2013 10:26:45 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: hoosierham

Found it, it went into effect July 1, 2011

SB 757: This bill allows an individual to shoot an air rifle (BB, Airsoft or Paintball guns) on private property with permission of the property owner, as long as they take reasonable care to ensure the projectile does not cross property boundaries. Any local ordinances that do not allow this exception will be pre-empted. A number of localities (i.e. Fairfax and Blacksburg) have already begun amending their local ordinances to bring them into compliance with the new law.


37 posted on 09/24/2013 10:32:45 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: PapaBear3625

I now think that he got expelled because the police could not charge him. See number 37. Things might have just got interesting.


38 posted on 09/24/2013 10:36:58 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: ClayinVA
SB 757: This bill allows an individual to shoot an air rifle (BB, Airsoft or Paintball guns) on private property with permission of the property owner, as long as they take reasonable care to ensure the projectile does not cross property boundaries.

He was reportedly deliberately shooting kids waiting at the bus stop, so that violates "does not cross property boundaries" clause.

39 posted on 09/24/2013 10:43:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I now think that he got expelled because the police could not charge him. See number 37. Things might have just got interesting.


40 posted on 09/24/2013 10:51:22 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Boogieman

Expel a kid for playing with a toy gun in his own yard. I’m sure people thought that was never going to happen as well.


41 posted on 09/24/2013 3:09:55 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone

Nah, this kind of expulsion was entirely predictable. All you have to do is look at the trends going back 20-30 years, and you will see a clear progression leading up to this.

There’s no progression towards people not consuming “violent” entertainment or video games. It’s what consumers demand, by a pretty wide margin. They can pass a law trying to wish it away, but their law can’t magically generate demand for some other form of entertainment that isn’t there.

If they passed such a law, most titles would just bomb. There would be a few exceptions of non-violent games that would still be good enough to achieve popularity, like Tetris, or the Sims, but those would be too rare to support the industry, so it would fail.


42 posted on 09/24/2013 3:33:35 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

For your sake, and my son’s I hope you are correct. But I suspect there will be a movement by libs, feminists, marxists, socialists and communists to mould opinions and turn guns into the pariahs they all imagine them to be. You will have to turn in your friends with gun play video games. Parents who allow their children to use video games with gun play will be considered bad parents, child abusers who must be turned in to govt. officials.

People who believe that will never happen because the games are so popular now are young. There was a time in this country when open carry was allowed practically everywhere. I bet they couldn’t imagine a day like today. Just as you can’t imagine what’s coming if you keep believing it will never happen.


43 posted on 09/24/2013 4:35:05 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone

“People who believe that will never happen because the games are so popular now are young. There was a time in this country when open carry was allowed practically everywhere. I bet they couldn’t imagine a day like today. Just as you can’t imagine what’s coming if you keep believing it will never happen.”

Well, I could say that people who believe it will happen are just old. You talk like we are still on a downward spiral, but gun laws, and the general public opinion on guns, have been rebounding back away from the low point for the last 15-20 years.

Sure, the liberals are more hysterical with their anti-gun brainwashing initiatives than ever, but that is a sign of desperation, because they are losing the bigger war. So they retreat to the schools and the media, because those are the bastions where they don’t have any competition, so they can’t lose. If they could convince adults that we need to ban guns, then they wouldn’t be so desperate to try to brainwash the next generation, but they know it’s a lost cause.

Now things could go back the other way, and when these mushheads grow up and can vote, they could pass some stupid laws. If they did, though, I still don’t see “gun free” video games being any kind of industry like you see today. We already have all of those types of games on the market, and they are pretty much niche titles that rarely break out and have a big popular hit.

Despite the recent hysteria about “violent video games”, that has been pretty consistent for the 30 plus years of the industry. Every few years, you’ll get a Pac-Man, or SimCity game that is fun and wholesome and makes a lot of money, while most of the similar games are nonstarters. Meanwhile, every year there are multiple new “hot” shooters, martials arts games, war games, etc, that are what people spend the most money on. It’s comparable to the movies, in that it is only every few years that there is a well crafted, Oscar winning drama that is considered a “must see” by the public, but every summer there are always multiple blockbusters that get the public to spend money for variations of the same old schlock repackaged. If you just tried to outlaw blockbusters, that wouldn’t make the dramas any more popular, it would just make the movie industry shrink considerably.


44 posted on 09/24/2013 4:54:11 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Take a look at how the libs work. They don’t face any enemy straight on. It’s always from behind or the side. They won’t start by banning them. They’ll start by shaming people who allow their “children” to use them. The adults will sit back and do nothing because they are just talking about banning children from playing the games. Then it will be anyone, child or adult who uses guns in video games has a mental deficiency. Do you use gun play or violent video games at home will be on questionnaires for jobs, doctors’ offices, Obamacare/insurance, and any official/govt. business. People will either lie or stop playing. The video game producers will be hounded into removing guns and reducing violence in the games. People who continue to play them will be labeled defectives.

This is not about which games are fun. It won’t matter to them how much fun they are. They won’t even bother to worry about producing entertaining games to replace them. That will be the industry’s problem. If the industry keeps making them, they will pay — special taxes for violence and gun use in games. They will make things a living hell for those who produce or enjoy that form of entertainment. This isn’t about giving people what they want. This is about control and how complacency gives way to pressure. They will apply vigorous pressure and those who complacently believe it will always be as it was will lose and come under their control.


45 posted on 09/25/2013 12:11:53 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone

Well, they’ve got much further in other countries with their agenda than they will ever get in America, and they can’t even hope to ban guns from video games in those countries, everyone still plays them just as much as we do. So, I think you’re giving the left way too much credit. You say it’s not about what games are fun, but that is exactly what drives the whole industry. You can’t legislate, or stigmatize people away from doing what they think is fun.


46 posted on 09/25/2013 6:30:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Prohibiting what the people really want hasn’t worked well;in the early 20th century it created organized crime to supply the public’s demand for alcohol,in our time organized crime fills the demand for recreational drugs and cheap cigarettes,in places where guns are banned people are murdered at higher rates than when guns were legal. When whole populations are disarmed,the government often murders in wholesale lots.

When I was in high school fireworks were much harder to find or buy and there were few public fireworks display ,certainly no private ones .Sure kids shot off a few bottle rockets or whatever.The fireworks were smuggled from free states to the others and often confiscated by police(who then enjoyed shooting them off!).

Now fireworks are much more widespread and easier to purchase despite the whining nannys who still want them banned because “someone will get hurt”.

The lieberals do not win when the people push back.The lieberals win too often because they are not strongly challenged.

Get right back in their faces and expose their lies and tricks.


47 posted on 09/26/2013 8:40:02 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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