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IS PUTIN ONE OF US?
HumanEvents ^ | December 17, 2013 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 12/25/2013 6:35:31 PM PST by Steelfish

IS PUTIN ONE OF US?

By: Patrick J. Buchanan 12/17/2013 Is Vladimir Putin a paleoconservative?

In the culture war for mankind’s future, is he one of us?

While such a question may be blasphemous in Western circles, consider the content of the Russian president’s state of the nation address.

With America clearly in mind, Putin declared, “In many countries today, moral and ethical norms are being reconsidered.”

“They’re now requiring not only the proper acknowledgment of freedom of conscience, political views and private life, but also the mandatory acknowledgment of the equality of good and evil.”

Translation: While privacy and freedom of thought, religion and speech are cherished rights, to equate traditional marriage and same-sex marriage is to equate good with evil.

No moral confusion here, this is moral clarity, agree or disagree.

President Reagan once called the old Soviet Empire “the focus of evil in the modern world.” President Putin is implying that Barack Obama’s America may deserve the title in the 21st century.

Nor is he without an argument when we reflect on America’s embrace of abortion on demand, homosexual marriage, pornography, promiscuity, and the whole panoply of Hollywood values.

Our grandparents would not recognize the America in which we live.

Moreover, Putin asserts, the new immorality has been imposed undemocratically.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


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1 posted on 12/25/2013 6:35:31 PM PST by Steelfish
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2 posted on 12/25/2013 6:40:15 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Steelfish

Buchanan is a clown. He can’t separate state propaganda from an actual Christian. That’s why we, as a movement, keeping getting conned by losers like Mittens or Ryan.


3 posted on 12/25/2013 6:41:50 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Steelfish
No Putin is not one of us unless you are a Russian.

If you think Putin is anything but an enemy of the USA bound and determined to do anything he can to see this country fall..then you are not one of us.

4 posted on 12/25/2013 6:43:48 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: narses

A KGB officer intent to re-build the USSR following the defeat in the Cold War as a country that like the USSR will be run by secret police and do so with the cooperation of the Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate).

He is seeing, correctly, the weakness of the West being its de-Christianization, and is exploiting it. Hopefully no one would take political advice from this fox.


5 posted on 12/25/2013 6:44:34 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Steelfish
If I had to choose between Putin and Obama, I'd take Putin.

And his criticism of moral relativism in the West is on the money.

6 posted on 12/25/2013 6:45:21 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Steelfish

Putin is a Russian nationalist.

Pat is...well, Pat is....still not quite properly medicated.
I hope he does keep them calibrated soon.


7 posted on 12/25/2013 6:46:25 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: montanajoe
Putin is not one of us unless you are a Russian

And even more not one of the Russians worthy of the name. Putin is admired by the new breed of man, Homo Sovieticus, and by that breed alone.

8 posted on 12/25/2013 6:46:27 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Steelfish

No


9 posted on 12/25/2013 6:47:55 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Steelfish

NO. Putin is a Russian whose interests are Russian and his own. He has no interest in helping out Americans.


10 posted on 12/25/2013 6:48:17 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Caliph Baraq is a girly-man.

So it's easy to see why Putie has some appeal here.


11 posted on 12/25/2013 6:49:02 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Navy Patriot

Who was his VP as a Reform party candidate? Nuff said.


12 posted on 12/25/2013 6:50:03 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Putin is giving PC a kick-in-the-butt. In this respect he’s one of us. Today at Christmas Mass in the Cathedral of Cologne, a topless “FEMEN” protester disrupted serviced. In the US she’d be the new Sandra Fluke interviewed on 60 Minutes. In Putin’s Russia she’d be thrown into jail. In this respect, Putin is “our” kind of guy.


13 posted on 12/25/2013 6:50:22 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: montanajoe

If you think Putin is anything but an enemy of the USA bound and determined to do anything he can to see this country fall..then you are not one of us.
.........................................................

OK Putin is an enemy.

Now who is the most dangerous enemy—Putin or Obama.

Obama gets my vote.


14 posted on 12/25/2013 6:50:44 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Steelfish

Putin is “nation building” by establishing a moral foundation in faith upon which to build a better Russia. Whatever his objectives, establishing/strengthening Judeo-Christian foundation and fostering its growth has been absolutely proven the single most effective means to grow and nurture a society to greatness. Whether or not his purpose is our own, I would not care to venture. Keep in mind that a Russia compelled by rational Christian morality may take an exceptionally unfavorable view to a perverted and pervert lead American government.


15 posted on 12/25/2013 6:51:19 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Someone once said that eventually the Russians would realize that they’re white and Christian.


16 posted on 12/25/2013 6:52:47 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Navy Patriot

We have met the enemy and its “US”. How else could our electorate be so screwed up as to elect a socialist gay-loving Muslin community organizer for two terms as President and socialist judges telling us how to live our lives.

Worth recommending all of Buchanan’s article.


17 posted on 12/25/2013 6:53:22 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I had to choose between Putin and Obama, I'd take Putin.

That is different. No question that a nationalist with an appreciation of the role of Christianity in society, -- which Putin is, -- would be an improvement in any Western government.

But unless "us" in the title is Soviet revanchists, the answer is No, not one of us.

18 posted on 12/25/2013 6:55:17 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Steelfish

(Warning NSFW)

Guilty, perhaps eligible for Clinton post-POTUS pardon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zS4HTITmj6A


19 posted on 12/25/2013 6:55:56 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Venturer

AMEN! Anyone who thinks Putin is your friend is a fool.

Good that many see through the deception.


20 posted on 12/25/2013 7:04:51 PM PST by logitech (It is time.)
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To: Thumper1960
Putin is a Russian nationalist.

Yes, you are correct. BUT he holds the West and the US in particular in contempt. He is no friend of the US nor We the People. Neither is he a Traitor. He is also smart.

21 posted on 12/25/2013 7:05:35 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: montanajoe

I don’t see why Putin would want to see the US to fail unless he wants to face the one billion Chinese threat on his eastern border with no other world superpower to help balance against the danger.


22 posted on 12/25/2013 7:05:41 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: annalex

I can’t stand when conservatives become stupid. Putin? Please. What a doosh. He is a nasty person who should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as conservatives.


23 posted on 12/25/2013 7:13:52 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Steelfish

Putin is neither an American nor is it his job to save America. That’s our (Americans’) job to do.
And indeed, he is at least historically an enemy of USA (and probably is still pretty much an enemy of USA).
All that I grant.

But he is right about the decline in Biblical faith in USA, at least in part. And he is more than partly right about the (largely consequent) decline in basic moral values in America.
(These declines are being promoted, pushed by Obama and his people... alas.)

It pays to listen to your enemies (or outsiders) as sometimes they will, or can, say things that folks at home won’t (or are afraid to) say.

On these points, Putin is right and we had better acknowledge it. If we don’t even admit these simple facts, we have little or no chance or recovering our society (and eventually, our nation).

So thinketh one lone voice in the wilderness. Have at it, if you wish.
and
Merry Christmas!


24 posted on 12/25/2013 7:17:06 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Chinese and the Russians are forming an alliance of late. We are the enemy they have in common. In fact, due to a number of mistakes over the years, we have become the focus of anger for many countries in the world.

We live in dangerous times. We do not have capable leadership and a great portion of our population is not prepared to face the threats we have both external and internal. I pray that we find the leaders and the courage to face both.


25 posted on 12/25/2013 7:21:25 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: annalex

If your are a Christian, and follow standard Christian theology, you must confess the POSSIBILITY that Putin has become a Christian.


26 posted on 12/25/2013 7:22:13 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: napscoordinator

That people in America find him attractive only shows what a sorry state our country is.

He has some conservative values. Remember, his organization has run the Soviet Union, including its present remnant from a certain socially conservative position. Children for example, were not taught sex, homosexuality was a criminal offense, people in management positions were expected to be good family men, girls were taught modesty, art was supposed to be realistic and decent, etc. In his task of reassembling the USSR he finds Russia somewhat nostalgic of that. That is all.


27 posted on 12/25/2013 7:24:18 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Steelfish

Even asking the question is stupid.


28 posted on 12/25/2013 7:25:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Jim Noble

Putin’s “theology” is closer to conservative Christians than is Obama, Reid, Pelsoi, Boxer, Feinstein, Mikulski, Durbin and the rest of the scumbags who are taking America down the road to Sodom and Gommorah.


29 posted on 12/25/2013 7:27:27 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: 3Fingas
We live in dangerous times.

No. You people must have all been born after 1975 and grew up on Sean Hannity. America has had no external enemies since 1989. Except for the ones we attack.

Alas, America has already been destroyed from within.

So, go tell your scary tales about that big, bad Putin and those scary Chinese while you're being raped by the TSA, your dog is being shot by cops and your daughter is being watched through her webcam. Putin isn't doing that to you. You are.

30 posted on 12/25/2013 7:33:44 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Steelfish

Dusting off the old Buchanan Wagon.


31 posted on 12/25/2013 7:38:49 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Steelfish
Our grandparents would not recognize the America in which we live.

Our parents and grandparents, in large part, put us here by voting for people like FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton. They gave up the nation to marxist revolution in the sixties and constantly voted their enablers into government. No sir, I suspect many if not most, of our parents and grandparents would be happy enough with where are.

32 posted on 12/25/2013 7:44:26 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

“Our parents and grandparents, in large part, put us here by voting for people like FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton. They gave up the nation to marxist revolution in the sixties and constantly voted their enablers into government. No sir, I suspect many if not most, of our parents and grandparents would be happy enough with where are.”

You have spoken the truth. I fall in that age category, but I didn’t vote for Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton. My parents and grandparents bought the line from the socialist, progressive Democrats and voted accordingly.


33 posted on 12/25/2013 7:55:47 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I did say that we have internal enemies too. Some even more dangerous than the external ones. These people want to shred our Constitution and redefine what it means to be an American. Our biggest internal enemy is sin. Always has been and always will be.

Putin is not our friend. He is a former KGB officer who pretends to be a Christian while he systematically kills political opponents.

These are dangerous times for both internal and external threats. Our foreign policy mistakes and our ineptitude as the world’s policeman guarantee those enemies as you say. As we weaken internally, our enemies abroad will grow bolder. Why do you see one clearly and not the other?
No matter.

I don’t even watch Sean Hannity. Merry Christmas.


34 posted on 12/25/2013 8:02:45 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Steelfish

After Putin started practicing the Christian faith of his childhood he became a better man and he is 1000% times the man the homosexual Barry Sinclair is or ever will be. Putin is proud of his country, something that is foreign to the ward politician, who trying with all his power to destroy the United States. Lastly, Putin will not allow Russia to be taken over by radical sodomites. He does not allow it to be taught in schools and they can’t march up and down the streets in any “pride” parades. He does not want the children of Russia to be brainwashed into believing sodomy is normal behavior. If Putin could run for US president and his opponent was the homosexual Barry Sinclair, I would vote for him in a heartbeat.


35 posted on 12/25/2013 8:15:24 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Rather than love, than money, than fame, then give truth" ~ Henry David Thoreau)
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To: napscoordinator
Remember what Putin said in a speech and wrote in a letter in Pravda the December after zero's first "election"?

He warned America, not to go down the road to communism, because that is what destroyed Russia.

I read elsewhere, he is afraid of communism spreading back to Russia once it has a firm hold in the USA.

He is well aware of the agents of the USSR infiltrating our education, political and media portions of the country.

He is now afraid the communists still in Russia, with the help of the communists here could regain a foothold in Russia.

Funny thing, when a former Soviet KGB leader, in support of mother Russia, is supporting the conservative view in America.

36 posted on 12/25/2013 8:16:43 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger

The world has become so freaking upside down that to see what Putin is doing is making America look pretty bad.


37 posted on 12/25/2013 8:21:40 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Mogger

America has been on the road to becoming a collectivist hell for some 100 years now. And as we descend into that hell they that scream the loudest that Russia is still our enemy can not see that we are becoming what they, East Germany, Maoist China, Vietnam, et al have and are moving away from year after year.


38 posted on 12/25/2013 8:33:28 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: caver

Thanks. I wish I hadn’t spoken the truth or rather I wish it wasn’t the truth. Merry Christmas FReeper.


39 posted on 12/25/2013 8:37:50 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Steelfish

bump


40 posted on 12/25/2013 8:56:22 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The Lord is not above using a "clown," as you put it, or the KGB leader of a Socialist country to tell the truth about what an almost godless people have chosen as their "leader."

Whether Putin knows enough about God and His laws and His Truth, I do not know but I do know that in the past, God's people have been punished and called to task by ruthless tyrants.

If people won't listen to reason or the many warnings from God, He will use any and all means to bring them to their knees or their face in the dirt to admit whom the Real Leader is and how much we need to fear Him and "turn from their (our) wicked ways."

41 posted on 12/25/2013 9:03:34 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: annalex

>>>He has some conservative values. Remember, his organization has run the Soviet Union, including its present remnant from a certain socially conservative position. Children for example, were not taught sex, homosexuality was a criminal offense, people in management positions were expected to be good family men, girls were taught modesty, art was supposed to be realistic and decent, etc.<<<

In fact you have to learn further. Gay pride has started in 1920s Russia, they had their Sandra Flukes at the time, sex indeed was taught at school, lesbians and single mothers were installed in both civilian and military positions ahead of family men, girls were taught to be “collective wifes”, and most of the weird liberal arts are rooting from 1920s Russia, too. About that time they have started with “equal opportunity officers” aka commissars in the military and attacks on religion (thus islam was targeted on per with the rest).


42 posted on 12/25/2013 9:04:52 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Me, too.


43 posted on 12/25/2013 9:09:00 PM PST by Technical Editor
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To: Steelfish

Golitsyn said the Soviets are Put in US on. I believe him.


44 posted on 12/25/2013 9:27:18 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: Steelfish

The guy is a sociopath.


45 posted on 12/25/2013 9:59:22 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Maybe Pat wants a taste of the THIRTY BILLION $ putin stole from Russia.

I hope and pray the iranians give some nuclear material to the chechens and they give putin a glow in the dark enema.


46 posted on 12/25/2013 11:58:15 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood. A)
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To: Venturer

I agree, at this time Obama is the greatest threat our nation faces.


47 posted on 12/26/2013 2:12:33 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: MurrietaMadman; All

“Golitsyn said the Soviets are Put in US on. I believe him.”


His books are a must read. I have New Lies for Old in my personal collection, with an online version of Perestroika Deception on my other laptop.


48 posted on 12/26/2013 2:29:22 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Steelfish

Vladimir Putin is a paleo-Czar


49 posted on 12/26/2013 2:57:48 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I agree. I trust Putin more than I trust Obama. I bet the Russian military is allowed to say Merry Christmas.


50 posted on 12/26/2013 5:07:51 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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