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Every Picture Tells A Story, Part Two (Repost)
No Lawyers Only Guns and Money ^ | 11 December, 2012 | John Richardson

Posted on 02/02/2014 6:21:25 PM PST by marktwain

The gun prohibitionists are already saying that blood will run in the streets when the Illinois General Assembly crafts some form of concealed carry legislation in accordance with today's ruling by Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
“As the dissenting opinion points out, the two judges who threw out Illinois' law did not take account of the danger to the public from stray bullets, and they ignored the Illinois legislature's determination that carrying weapons has been shown to escalate violence,” said Lee Goodman, an organizer with the Stop Concealed Carry Coalition.
If Lee had taken the time to examine the graphic below, he would see that there is no positive correlation between less-restrictive (legal) carry (shall issue and constitutional issue) and increased violent crime. Let's face it - Chicago already has concealed carry by thugs and criminals. The only ones prohibited from protecting themselves are honest, law-abiding citizens.

This was originally posted on Dec. 21, 2011.

In October, I posted a graphic developed by Rob Vance that showed the progress in the growth of firearms carry rights from 1986 through 2011 as a percentage of the U.S. population. In 1986, 90% of the U.S. population lived in states that severely restricted carry rights or had none at all. Today, over two-thirds of Americans live in states with either shall-issue carry or constitutional carry. The conclusion was that shall-issue is the new norm.

Recently, the FBI released its Uniform Crime Reports statistics. Rob generated a new graph plotting these violent crime rates against the growth of less-restrictive firearm carry rights over the period of 1986 through 2011.

The data used to generate this graph is available here in Google documents. As I said in the original post, unlike the gun prohibitionists, we publish our data for the world to see. The data used comes from three sources: the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, the U.S. Census, and which tracked the changes in carry laws over time.

Rob had the following conclusions after examining the data:
Violent crime is a complex issue, but national data is clear that there is no positive correlation between liberalized concealed carry laws and increased violent crime.

The “blood in the streets” or “Wild West” scenarios just don’t play out. To be fair, state level data is highly variable, so some caution needs to be exercised in drawing conclusions.
Rob is very explicit that there is no positive correlation between violent crime and liberalized carry laws rather than a proven negative correlation. He feels that it will take more rigorous statistical analysis before this negative correlation could be said to be proven.

The results here are reinforced by the study done by Linoge at Walls of the City which compared violent crime rates and firearm ownership. In that study, Linoge did find a relatively strong negative (-0.605) correlation between violent crime and firearm ownership.
While violent crime did not go down as sharply as the progress in carry rights rose, one thing that needs to be kept in mind is that while shall-issue may be the new norm that right is not extended to all locations. Bars, restaurants, government buildings, post offices, and many parks are still off-limits to concealed carry. I think this will become the next battleground for concealed carry. Interestingly enough, restrictive states like California actually have fewer restrictions on where one may carry.

As an example of the battle for fewer restricted locations, one need look no further than here in North Carolina. This session of the General Assembly changed the law concerning concealed carry in state, municipal, and county parks. It is now allowed everywhere with the exception of a local opt-out for "recreational facilities". As might be expected, some locales are trying to push the limit on what is considered a recreation facility far beyond what was intended by the General Assembly.

Shall-issue may be the new norm but the fight will continue.

NOTE: If you click on the graphic, you can view it in its full original size.

TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; graph; homiciderate
I had to search for this graph, so I wanted people to see it and for it to be easily available.
1 posted on 02/02/2014 6:21:25 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
You know, I've had it with contributing to campaigns (like NRA-ILA) to try and rescue the guns rights of people who live in socialist hellholes like DC, IL, CA, MA, CT, NJ, or NY. The gun owners who live there let it happen.

If they want guns, let them emigrate to another state, and hope to God they don't turn those states into the same kind of statist hellholes they left.

2 posted on 02/02/2014 6:28:25 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog:
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To: marktwain

Thank you!

3 posted on 02/02/2014 6:33:03 PM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: backwoods-engineer
The gun owners who live there let it happen.

Sorta kinda... Springfield Illinois is connected to Chicago via puppet strings. That Illinois even has concealed carry (the lib-pols dragged into it kicking and screaming) is a significant thing.
4 posted on 02/02/2014 6:33:18 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (
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To: marktwain

Stray bullets generally seem to be fired by police such as at the police bystander victims at the Empire State building.

What the Illinois group has a hard time countering are reports such as the one by the Texas Department of Public Safety that shows concealed permit holders account for .0018% of Texas crime.

5 posted on 02/02/2014 6:33:32 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Nailbiter; BartMan1; stanley windrush


6 posted on 02/02/2014 7:21:45 PM PST by IncPen (When you start talking about what we 'should' have, you've made the case for the Second Amendment)
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To: marktwain

The gun grabbers in Illinois will be happy to learn, that part of the deal for smoking pot legally in Illinois, the stoners have to give up their guns and FOIDs and 2nd Amendment rights.

7 posted on 02/02/2014 9:05:44 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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