Posted on 02/08/2014 1:36:53 PM PST by butterdezillion
I posted a thread a while back, saying that an analysis showed that former HDOH director Loretta Fuddy would not have fit inside the casket that was shown in the Honolulu Diocese's photo from the funeral. After somebody pointed out a different method of calculation - not requiring a rotation of the images - I recognized that my conclusion was totally wrong and corrected my post on the blog, posted another post, changed the pdf's with the analysis, and commented on the thread here. But to make sure that anybody accessing the original post here will also see that correction, that post (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3119584/posts which I used as the source URL for this) needs to be tied to a new post - this post.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what went wrong. I initially thought that the rotate function was screwed up and altered the proportions on the images when I rotated them. Now it's been pointed out that the "grid" that Word uses doesn't consist of squares. I measured, and 10 squares across is 1 1/2 inch, and 10 squares down is 1 1/4 inch. So they're 17% shorter than they are wide.
I've been dealing with my computer acting crazy; I documented all that on my blog. One of the things I documented was that somebody in real time inserted an image into my Wordpress "edit post" page (while I was working on it) that had to come from somebody else looking at my admin page on their computer.
One of the fogbowers accused me of lying and claimed she was going to make it her life's work to expose me by getting "visuals" of what really happened on my computer - claiming that I manipulated the dimensions myself to fit my agenda. She made a bunch of threats including what seems to me to be the threat of getting into my computer, threats of bankrupting me through lawsuits, and threats of more than 3 million people knowing that a jerk I am - apparently for questioning whether Fuddy's funeral had an open casket with Fuddy's body inside.
Anyway, suffice to say that I made a mistake, reasonable people corrected me, I corrected my mistake and apologized publicly wherever I knew people might see the erroneous claim, and then the vipers jumped on to try to kill me over it.
My apologies for the confusion.
I truly admire your tenacity.
Keep doing what you do best and that's research! Don't let some of the old constipated farts here give you a hard time.Many of us are with you.
BZ, you have worked long and hard for years on this forum (and elsewhere) regarding the current political assault on our nation. For that, many of us are grateful.
Pay no attention to your critics, as distinguished from those that may from time to time disagree with you. They have nothing at all of value to add to your work or this brainstorming exercise we know as Free Republic. Indeed, they can be compared to those who worked at cross-purposes with Americans who were fighting for our nation during its early years.
Hey Butter,
A a lot of us have been following your work for a long time. You’ve built up an incredible amount of credibility.
JT
There is no such thing as a 2-tier casket.
Go to google or bing and do an image search for casket. My goodness! - there are hundreds of photos of caskets and every single one, without exception, has a flat top for the base, with a flat corresponding bottom for the lid. Every. Single. One.
There is a slightly sharper version of the church photo. Download http://www.hawaiicatholicherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/1lorettafuddyfuneral.jpg. It may be more obvious there. On the back left of the casket is a hinge. It’s obvious that they have aesthetically draped the casket lining over the hinge to hide it from the mourners. You can see that the casket lid has a large puffy-liner around its inner edge. Look at the puffy-liner on the lid where it connects to the base of the casket. The puffy-liner stops at the base which appears to be just below Fuddy’s folded arms. That’s where the lid connects to the base.
There is only one casket and the church’s photo shows the same casket as the videos.
By the way, there is a bit of brown near that rear hinge. That is clearly the candle stand behind the casket.
That’s basically a weave on aida cloth. When that strip is done being woven, with its frings at both ends, how would it be affixed to a pall leaving no frings? Describe the method of getting that attached to the pall neatly.
That image has clear angles on it just like the image I linked to from here. I drew a red line parallel to the actual lines that we see. There are clear angles, which I pointed out clearly. You can’t just wish those away.
It may be a piece of cloth of some kind to hide a hinge; I don’t know. It sticks up straight, stiff, and square when the lid of the casket is open, so it doesn’t seem like a drape. In any event, it should be there in all the views where the casket is open.
I would think that a casket lining would be fairly stiff satin, not soft chiffon. It also looks like it could be ruffled. That could certainly appear to create angles from a distance!
In the image from your website titled “Hundreds bid a fond farewell to Loretta Fuddy” you can see a hinge on the left side of the casket, just above your red line. The picture is not good enough to see if fabric from the other side is shielding the hinge from the viewers.
And, of course, the fabric shielding the hinge was probably adjusted when the casket was brought to the front of the church for the funeral service, so it could have differed in appearance from the viewing.
So, again, the same casket. And certainly not a non-existent 2-tier casket!
(For someone so proud of her research regimen, you didn’t even do any research on caskets, did you? You just made up the idea of 2-tier caskets then stated it like they actually existed.)
Good grief. If you knew how many caskets I’ve looked at in the past 3 days you’d realize what a silly thing you’ve suggested.
Look at the fabric on the “hands” photo. It’s not stiff in the slightest. I actually question whether that could be the same kind of fabric as is in the Diocese photo.
You’re just arguing circles around the clear angles I’ve pointed out. Drapery cloth doesn’t stand up straight like that. I don’t know what that is, but it stands up straight and stiff enough to make clearly-defined angles in the photo we know is from the funeral but not in either of the others. That is just a fact.
If they were going to hide a hinge it would be even more important to do so while people were passing by so that nobody bumped the hinge, got caught on it, etc.
But then, that casket with the mourners passing by also has the wrong kind of flowers. The casket in the Diocese photo has a particular arrangement on the open lid: white wreath in the middle with greenery swags on each side, and a pink wreath hanging straight down on the very end of the lid. The KITV image with the mourners at the front of the church has a white wreath looped widely around the corner of the casket lid. Different profile, different wreath and placement of it, different pall, different kind of lining fabric...
Good post.
So you’ve looked at caskets for three days and the best you could come up with is a 2-tier casket? Which doesn’t exist?
I refuse to try to reconcile all the differences between the images. You are dealing with a two hour visitation and a separate funeral service. I have no clue what happened over that three hour period - what got moved when, etc. I can come up with explanations which are reasonable, but you’d dismiss every one, and, unlike you, I have a life to live. Did the visitation start in one location, then get moved to the sanctuary? Did some child spill Hawaiian Punch on the original pall so they had to replace it with a backup? Did a sister’s flower arrangement get delivered late so had to be moved to a prominent location? I have no idea, and I really don’t care.
But what I DO know is that TWO television stations reported on the open casket funeral of Loretta Fuddy. The Hawaii Catholic Herald not only reported on the funeral but included a photo of it. The photo includes both the Governor of the State of Hawaii and Loretta Fuddy’s open casket.
So, of course, the obvious conclusion everyone should come to is that Loretta Fuddy is still alive and Hawaii is filled with people who are either 1) afraid for their lives, 2) bribed to be quiet, or 3) complicit in the conspiracy. Those people include the Governor of Hawaii, the Roman Catholic Church, every mourner in that church, all the people in the plane that crashed, all the rescuers, the coroner, the funeral home.
Sorry, that is NOT the way the real world works. Loretta Fuddy died. She had an open casket funeral and was buried.
Shut down your blog.I appreciate your posts.
IOW, you can’t explain why the profiles don’t match. Thanks for playing.
lol.
After a day like today, I’ll take one of those free hugs.
I don’t see what you are talking about the end shots of the casket - the close up with the hands and the long shot have the same profile.
And in the long shot in the corner of the casket (where lid meets the box)there is a triangle shape of white. it is in the same location as the “tier” in the other shot. It doesn’t show up in the close up because it is out of the frame to the left.
What you’re seeing in the corner of the casket in the photo in the front of the church at the visitation is the metal lid brace. It only goes a short ways out from the lid. The higher part on the”headboard edge” in the Diocese image goes about halfway across the “headboard” and creates a square corner in the profile.
During the first two hours (visitation) the casket is open in the front isle. During the funeral mass, the casket is closed and sits in the aisle between the pews. You can see this in both the KITV (@0:25 and 0:47) and KHON (@0:30) videos.
And if you look at this photo again:
The memoriam and the easel w/the lei are not in the shot. Only the small stand with the flowers is visible. The cameraman may have zoom passed them to get a tighter shot. Which means they are not right next to the casket as both videos make them appear. Or they may have been moved (see rest of comment below).
The thing that Butterdezillion is calling a tier is actually part of the hinge of the casket lid covered by the lining. Like this one without the lining:
Because of the low resolution image and the same color of both linings, the casket lining and the lid lining appear to come together. In the casket picture above the lid is similar to Fuddy's casket. Where Butter drew the horizontal line on the lid is too high, it should be at the base of the series of vertical folds.
Go back to the KITV video at 2:02. The lid has the same little triangular shape as the family moves in. We know the family is the Fuddy family. And you can also see the easel w/the lei has either moved almost behind the memoriam or was always there and the close up shots are distorted by the angles and the zoom. You can also just make out the flowers that sit on the small table visible in the above photo.
Some here can't project an idea and then expand on it. It's just not in their DNA. Sometimes that's the only way you get anywhere.
To suspect foul play in a suspicious airplane crash where the biggest player is the only one killed is not conspiratorial, IMHO. Laying out the scenario and then proving it is often what we do here. It's never easy and sometimes controversial especially on FR.
You have to make an assertion and then go about the hard work of proving it.
Not everyone can do that as is all too obvious.
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