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Josh Lang's Photos of the Fuddy Crash Are Not the Same Plane
Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | 2-23-14 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 02/23/2014 3:09:07 PM PST by butterdezillion

The photos of the Loretta Fuddy Cessna crash that Josh Lang provided to the media? They weren't of the same plane. The plane that crashed with Fuddy in it had a window between the door and the tail; Lang's photos don't. (I've got photos at my blog and in the first post I'll post them so you can compare the 2 planes)

Lang apparently had photos of a DIFFERENT plane ditching in the water and gave them to the media, claiming they were of this crash, and apparently the media didn't check out the genuineness of the photos...

Now why would Lang do that? Why would he post images of the area with no passengers or anything else in the water ANYWHERE, rather than taking photos of what was actually there and giving those to the media?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; butterdezillion; cessna; eligibility; fuddy; hi; naturalborncitizen; obamarecords
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To: WhiskeyX; Fred Nerks

WX - you’re arguing in the wrong way. If you read the thread, you’d be able to participate, just reading the title of the thread won’t work.

IOW you’re in the dark with a blindfold on.


301 posted on 02/24/2014 8:44:00 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: speedbird57; Smokin' Joe

Speedbird, you just signed up 4 days ago.

Just pointing that out.


302 posted on 02/24/2014 8:47:14 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: 4Zoltan

In answer to your questions, it all depends upon the options available in the instrument group used in that particular aircraft. You would need to talk to a pilot of that particular aircraft and/or consult the pilot’s handbook for the Cessna 208B. A stall warning is a typical safety feature these days, particularly for a commercial aircraft.

Suffice it to say that confusing Puente’s comment about the alarm that went off when the engine quit with any other alarms that went off later, such as the alarm just before splashdown, is really unreasonable to the nth degree. There really is no good excuse for it. Even your typical automobile has a number of warning alarms these days, so jumping to a wild conclusion like that about a commercial aircraft is testing the limits of nonsense.


303 posted on 02/24/2014 9:02:01 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: little jeremiah

there are so many oddities surrounding “the One”.


304 posted on 02/24/2014 9:02:48 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: holden; butterdezillion

IIRC, he is a retired commercial airline pilot and a license glider pilot.

So for the first ten seconds of the video there are no warning alarms sounding (cabin and cockpit are silent), then ten seconds of stall warning until impact is not unusual?


305 posted on 02/24/2014 9:04:26 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: butterdezillion; Fred Nerks
The wingspan includes both left and right wings and the cabin width, but the area being looked at is only the right wing so your proportion is off by over 50%.

Huh? I was responding to Fred Nerks' post 213 which showed the photos from Josh Lang. Those photos showed the entire downed aircraft. I was spot-on when I said that the wingspan of that craft is 52' and that persons floating in the ocean would probably be only about 2' x 2', so about 1/26th of the width of the wingspan. Relative to the size of the plane, the survivors would be quite small and not easily seen in the photo taken from Lang's plane.

How was I only looking at the right wing??? I have no idea what you are looking at or talking about.

306 posted on 02/24/2014 9:15:40 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Greenperson

Assuming the father was indeed Barack Hussein Obama Sr., then his paternal ancestors are known for at least two generatons earlier. The ancestors are known members of the Luo tribe.


307 posted on 02/24/2014 9:25:10 AM PST by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: tomkat
Bingo. Same plane. Bye thread.

Thanks tomcat.

308 posted on 02/24/2014 9:37:01 AM PST by houeto (We intend to liberate Democrats from the dreaded Job-Lock this November!)
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To: butterdezillion

Hi BDZ:

Yah, OK, I worked up some images in Paint and can email them to you as attachments. I tried to respond to you with private email but get message: ‘account too new to use this feature’. My work seems to indicate these images are of the same plane, but contain other anomalies that I have not been able to explain.

I would post them myself but I can’t figure out how to post images in a comment.


309 posted on 02/24/2014 9:54:11 AM PST by speedbird57
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To: PLMerite
To be honest, I believe this plane was de-registered and the number reissued to the Cessna 208.

That appears to be the case. https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N687MA

310 posted on 02/24/2014 10:20:13 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: Fred Nerks

Oh you mean the book that the terrorist wrote for him....


311 posted on 02/24/2014 10:26:14 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Uncle Chip

Thanks very much.
As I said before I’m not an aviation expert. For me I can’t make much of any numbers on either plane. But I’m sure there are those who can.


312 posted on 02/24/2014 10:31:17 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: butterdezillion

Placemarker.


313 posted on 02/24/2014 10:31:26 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: WhiskeyX

Currents that slow sound like tide influened not current influenced.. For instance here at the apex(middle) of the Gulfstream we anticipate a 2-2 1/2 knot current which is rolling right along. Add which way the wind is blowing subtact drag and you can get an idea.Probably not 100% accurate but somewhere in the realm of accuracy.


314 posted on 02/24/2014 10:35:47 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: GBA

My guess is we will reach a conensus on the two planes as to whether or not they are the same plane shot at differnt times or not. Right now I’m not sure at this time what that will be.


315 posted on 02/24/2014 10:37:24 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: WhiskeyX

I was being facetious.


316 posted on 02/24/2014 10:39:27 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: speedbird57
If you look at the wave crests in the image of the plane while it is still floating, those crests are perpendicular to the shore. The general direction of wave propagation is parallel to the shore. of water in a wave is not linear, but circular, and diminishes with depth unless the wave is sounding (depth is <1/2 the wavelength). If the water depth is 70 ft., the threshold for ANY disturbance at that depth is waves with a wavelength of 140 ft.

The water in a wave is not in linear motion unless and until the wave breaks.

The plane should have settled more or less intact, with only further damage from impacting the bottom, and barring a hellacious storm event, it should have stayed that way.

It isn't how close to the beach you are (note the only waves in that image of the plane floating which have broken are on the beach), it is how deep the water is.

For contrast, here is a plane that crashed in the surf zone of the Irish Sea in Wales in 1942, and is better preserved than the Caravan. While they don't make them like they used to, it isn't as if the Caravan was being tumbled in the surf.

317 posted on 02/24/2014 11:29:34 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Sorry, here's the link: P-38
318 posted on 02/24/2014 11:30:28 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 4Zoltan

That stall warning horn for that length of time in such a context is according to the textbook and typical. A commercial pilot engrains such things to make passengers comfortable and baby the corporation’s flying assets.

HF


319 posted on 02/24/2014 11:38:02 AM PST by holden
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To: speedbird57

Right. You’re new here so they don’t let you use freepmail yet. I wonder if you can receive freepmail. I’ll send one off to you.


320 posted on 02/24/2014 11:45:44 AM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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