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Pistol Defense Against Moose Attack
Gun Watch ^ | 2 March, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/01/2014 6:25:16 PM PST by marktwain



In this dramatic video, a snowmobiler is traveling along a remote snowmobile trail.   A moose is blocking the trail, and the snowmobiler does everything they can to defuse the situation without bloodshed.  They make considerable noise to warn the moose that they are there.  Snowmobiles do not have a reverse, and the track is narrow and hemmed in by thick woods.  To get off the snowmobile would make the snowmobiler much more vulnerable.   In the deep, fluffy snow, he and or his machine are likely to bog down.   Unknown to the viewer, a companion snowmobiler is coming up from behind and could easily come under attack if the first snowmobiler allows the moose to kill or disable them.

The snowmobiler gets a little closer to get the moose to move away.  The moose does a false charge, to be met with more shouts and noise from the snowmobiler trying to defuse the situation.   The false charge turns into a very short retreat, immediately followed by a full on attack.   The snowmobiler escapes serious injury or death by sheer luck.   The moose retreats a short ways, and the snowmobiler uses this reprieve to draw a Glock pistol and chamber a round.

The moose starts to attack again and the snowmobiler uses his last possibility to defuse the situation, a warning shot.   It does not work, and the  snowmobiler fires three well aimed shots, that almost instantly put down the threatening animal.  A fourth finishing shot is fired to make sure.  All shots, from warning to finishing, take place in four seconds.  (:51 to :55) on the video.  The time from the physical contact of the attack to the last shot is 10 seconds. 

The snowmobiler then rides by to a meadow, where they stop and look back to make sure that the following companion was able to safely catch up to them.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; cheese; defense; glock; moose; sister
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I do not see that the snowmobiler had much choice. The moose had come close to killing him once already, and was starting to attack again. He could not risk the other rider as well as himself. He gave the moose every chance to retreat or move aside.
1 posted on 03/01/2014 6:25:16 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It’s a good thing the snowmobiler’s sister wasn’t there.


2 posted on 03/01/2014 6:29:51 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: marktwain

A moose once bit my sister.


3 posted on 03/01/2014 6:30:33 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: marktwain

AS A FREEPER, Having grown up in Canada with snowmobiles (my first a Bombardier Everest 440) and a moose now and then, I can positively affirm that only a pansy-assed Obama voter would actually KILL such a beautiful (if stubborn and silly) animal to make way for a recreational vehicle. It’s just not something normal people do. Okay?


4 posted on 03/01/2014 6:30:43 PM PST by golux
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To: marktwain

Astonishing Slice O’ Life!

Thanks!


5 posted on 03/01/2014 6:31:35 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (how many times has obie fundamentaly transformed obamacare now?)
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To: golux

“I can positively affirm that only a pansy-assed Obama voter would actually KILL such a beautiful (if stubborn and silly) animal to make way for a recreational vehicle.”

The moose had already attacked him once, and almost killed him. Snowmobiles have no reverse. He would have to get off the machine and turn it around, and another machine was coming up in a minute.

So how would you defuse the attack without makeing yourself even more vulnerable?

I would really like to know what your solution is.


6 posted on 03/01/2014 6:35:05 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: golux

Hooves can rip bellies open. A healthy female moose can fend off a pack of wolves until they decide to seek a weaker prey.

I wouldn’t have waited for those slashing hooves to make deadly contact first. The encounter was tragic in its way but the moose was determined (”stubborn & silly”) to attack. Nature is red in tooth and claw.

Would have at least made sure the animal was dead before proceeding, though.


7 posted on 03/01/2014 6:39:03 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: marktwain

I hope someone filled their freezer with moose meat. That would make the killing worthwhile.


8 posted on 03/01/2014 6:40:32 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: marktwain

Mark, don’t you think he could have stopped earlier, when the moose first comes into sight, and perhaps the moose would have wandered on?

Instead it seemed to me he basically challenged and spooked the young bull.

Just my two cents. I would have done almost anything, short of coming to harm, to let the beast live. But it’s hard to tell on a short vid.


9 posted on 03/01/2014 6:40:50 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: elcid1970

Added note: I don’t blame the moose for hating snow mobiles!


10 posted on 03/01/2014 6:41:56 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: elcid1970

“Hooves can rip bellies open.”

Yes, and smash skulls and break bones.

People have been killed by Moose. They can be very dangerous.

People who have not spent much time around large animals can easily underestimate the danger. Lots of people killed and maimed by horses as well.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 6:42:13 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Fightin Whitey
“Mark, don’t you think he could have stopped earlier, when the moose first comes into sight, and perhaps the moose would have wandered on?”

From the video, it appears that he stopped as soon as he saw the moose, and made lots of noise to try to get the moose to move off the track, or just keep going. The moose was not having any of it, and decided to attack. The moose had lots of options of simply moving along or of moving to the side. The moose probably was operating on a triggered “predator” response and saw the snowmobiler as a threat. With a following machine and the narrow track, I think the snowmobiler did everything they could to not to have to shoot the moose.

They almost got killed trying to save the moose, and people here are critical because they did not do more, as I see it.

12 posted on 03/01/2014 6:46:35 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

When he first spotted the moose on the trail, he could have waited for it to move on. Instead, he approached.


13 posted on 03/01/2014 6:54:33 PM PST by fso301
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To: marktwain
The moose starts to attack again and the snowmobiler uses his last possibility to defuse the situation, a warning shot. It does not work,

I have read where people say or write "Why didn't he fire a warning shot to scare the animal?" That often does not work against large animals. Read any of Jim Corbett's books on tigers in India and he often mentions incidents where a warning shot only infuriated an animal enough to launch a potentially fatal attack.

14 posted on 03/01/2014 6:58:19 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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Less than $4.2k to go!!

15 posted on 03/01/2014 7:00:56 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: marktwain

Yes, I guess I would have stopped and stayed at first sighting, keeping quiet and giving the animal some time to mosey on.

What’s the big rush in the woods? And what’s more pleasant than watching wild game up close?

BTW I’m no animal rights loony. Been hunting for almost 50 years now, and have been around a plenty of moose, including mommas with a calf.

My experiences have taught me not to spook or bluff with a moose, male or female.

When you google this deal (or look down the comments a ways below the vid) there is some indication that these guys were arrested for and convicted of poaching.

But the google listings are not clear that these are the poachers. It’s just that, among other things, this video comes up when you google the two poachers’ names.

Anyways thanks for posting.


16 posted on 03/01/2014 7:01:22 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: marktwain; elcid1970

First, I’d get away from the animal. I am not biologically attached to a skidoo.
Second, I’d watch the scenario from behind a tree and mount my skidoo when the big beast wants to leave.
It’s not complicated. I am pro-gun and pro-2A 100% but dipshits shoot when dipshits shoot. If you’re an asshole, be prepared for some other SOB to kill you. Moose are fat, sweet, jealous retarded ballerinas: be nice.


17 posted on 03/01/2014 7:05:06 PM PST by golux
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To: Fightin Whitey
As I see the video, the guy stopped, made some noise -- and waited a WHOPPING 15 seconds -- then decided he didn't have time for that sort of delay and he just had to bring it to a full confrontation, so he moved up close to the moose.

Stupid move.

18 posted on 03/01/2014 7:07:30 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: marktwain

I don’t care about the moose, but couldn’t they have simply have turned around on the trail?


19 posted on 03/01/2014 7:07:31 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Fightin Whitey
Mark, don’t you think he could have stopped earlier, when the moose first comes into sight, and perhaps the moose would have wandered on?

The moose wanted the same thing the snowmobilers needed. To be in the packed trail. It makes travel easier for moose and machine.

Unfortunately, the moose is not accustomed to giving way in the forest.

20 posted on 03/01/2014 7:11:50 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: fso301

**When he first spotted the moose on the trail, he could have waited for it to move on. Instead, he approached.**

I agree. Approaching just stirred the beast up up. It was just minding it’s own business, living and surviving. The snowmobilers are out entertaining themselves. If it started to approach and kept coming, just step behind a tree, weapon drawn just in case.

My wife was sorry she saw this video. Her response: Stupid snowmobilers! They probably have more money than brains!


21 posted on 03/01/2014 7:16:51 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: marktwain

Many snowmobiles do indeed have a ‘reverse’.


22 posted on 03/01/2014 7:17:54 PM PST by STYRO (War sucks. Living in slavery sucks even worse.)
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To: vladimir998

Yes, you can turn around on the trail, but it takes time and effort to do so. While you are doing so, you have to get off the machine and make yourself very vulnerable to attack. This did not take very long. The snowmobiler could easily have been attacked while trying to turn the machine around, and then what? They then have to stop again for the following machine which comes up in a few seconds.

No one seems to see the problem with allowing a big dangerous animal who has shown that they are willing to attack access to the following snowmobiler when *they* have to stop because of your machine in the trail.

The snowmobiler not only was defending themselves, they were defending the following snowmobiler as well.


23 posted on 03/01/2014 7:21:34 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: golux

“Moose are fat, sweet, jealous retarded ballerinas: be nice.”

That sometimes attack and kill people without warning.


24 posted on 03/01/2014 7:23:54 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Zuriel
The snowmobilers are out entertaining themselves. If it started to approach and kept coming, just step behind a tree, weapon drawn just in case.

They are the sort of jackasses that give hunters and gun owners a bad reputation.

25 posted on 03/01/2014 7:27:44 PM PST by fso301
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To: Zuriel

**When he first spotted the moose on the trail, he could have waited for it to move on. Instead, he approached.**

“I agree. Approaching just stirred the beast up up. It was just minding it’s own business, living and surviving. The snowmobilers are out entertaining themselves. If it started to approach and kept coming, just step behind a tree, weapon drawn just in case.”

Monday morning quarterbacking. We get exactly the opposite advice for most animal situations. Make noise so that they know you are there. If the snowmobiler would have stopped and made not more noise, and the moose attacked, then people would be saying, “Why didn’t he make some noise?”


26 posted on 03/01/2014 7:27:47 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: fso301

“The snowmobilers are out entertaining themselves. If it started to approach and kept coming, just step behind a tree, weapon drawn just in case.”

Maybe you know that. I do not. For all I know these snowmobilers are returning to a remote cabin from shopping in Fairbanks, 50 miles away.


27 posted on 03/01/2014 7:29:48 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: golux

“First, I’d get away from the animal. I am not biologically attached to a skidoo.
Second, I’d watch the scenario from behind a tree and mount my skidoo when the big beast wants to leave.”

So you flounder away from your machine in hip deep snow, making yourself perfectly vulnerable to get stomped to death. And looking like a predator trying to flank the moose. Remember, there is another machine with another vulnerable person coming up behind you.

It does not look like a viable option to me, but feel free to try it next time you are attacked by a moose. People are worth more than moose.

It is easy to come up with “what if” scenarios that turn out differently. This guy had seconds to react, and worked hard at not killing the moose. He was almost killed for his efforts.


28 posted on 03/01/2014 7:38:30 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Next time,leave the Glock at home and borrow my 500 S&W Magnum.The noise alone would have scared him off!


29 posted on 03/01/2014 7:44:12 PM PST by bandleader
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To: marktwain
Maybe you know that. I do not. For all I know these snowmobilers are returning to a remote cabin from shopping in Fairbanks, 50 miles away.

I doubt such trail would be so well traveled by other snowmobiles.

These jackasses had other options. Instead, they confronted the moose, shot and left it to die.

30 posted on 03/01/2014 7:45:07 PM PST by fso301
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To: Seaplaner

If he had bitten my father’s widow(not me MUM),he would have DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 03/01/2014 7:45:24 PM PST by bandleader
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To: fso301

“I doubt such trail would be so well traveled by other snowmobiles.”

So, they should leave a dangerous animal that has shown an willingness to attack and kill humans, available in an area where other humans are travelling.

Tell me, if it was a human that had committed the deadly attack, would you have felt the shooting was justified?


32 posted on 03/01/2014 7:48:46 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain


33 posted on 03/01/2014 7:50:28 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Now picture an 800 lb man trying to crush your head and spine with one of those in each hand.


34 posted on 03/01/2014 7:56:25 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
So, they should leave a dangerous animal that has shown an willingness to attack and kill humans, available in an area where other humans are travelling.

Go back and look at the video. They first stop 50-75 yards short of the moose then advance. If the moose wasn't going to get off the trail, why couldn't the snowmobilers just get off the trail and go around a short distance?

Tell me, if it was a human that had committed the deadly attack, would you have felt the shooting was justified?

If unprovoked, the shooting was justified. However, if provoked, there should be some consequence to the shooter.

35 posted on 03/01/2014 7:56:30 PM PST by fso301
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To: marktwain

Yep. Animal worship and hatred against neighbors who are people. It’s like a disease, and it’s certainly not conservative.

The War on Humans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWcEYYj_-rg


36 posted on 03/01/2014 7:57:32 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: fso301

“Go back and look at the video. They first stop 50-75 yards short of the moose then advance. If the moose wasn’t going to get off the trail, why couldn’t the snowmobilers just get off the trail and go around a short distance?”

They can’t. The woods and deep, fluffy snow block them. The snowmobiler advances very slowly so as not to frighten the moose and to give it time to move. It decides to attack.

If a human acted as the moose did, I would consider the snowmobiler fully justified in shooting.


37 posted on 03/01/2014 7:59:05 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: golux

What an egotistical ass. Why couldn’t he just go back the way he came or go on another trail? The moose had to die for this idiot’s RECREATION??? Had he removed himself from the moose’s vicinity, the moose would likely have just gone about its business.


38 posted on 03/01/2014 7:59:23 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: marktwain

People have constitutional rights—not animals.


39 posted on 03/01/2014 8:07:32 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: EinNYC
“What an egotistical ass. Why couldn’t he just go back the way he came or go on another trail? The moose had to die for this idiot’s RECREATION??? Had he removed himself from the moose’s vicinity, the moose would likely have just gone about its business.”

So this guy should just have let himself be killed rather than killing the moose? You do know that if he allowed the moose to kill or severely injure him, the moose would then have been put down anyway, don't you?

To turn your words around, the moose decided to kill this guy just because he wanted to use the trail? Animals are not worth as much as people. This may be hard to see from New York City, but a moose is a food animal. We eat them.

40 posted on 03/01/2014 8:09:46 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; EinNYC
"This may be hard to see from New York City, but a moose is a food animal. We eat them."

EGGsactly Batman.

Also: "Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti..." [/Monty Python/Holy Grail]

41 posted on 03/01/2014 8:16:58 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: EinNYC

In some areas, snowmobiles are used for essential transportation, and a packed ice base (sometimes, only on a trail) is required for snowmobile travel. Are big city residents required to stop and detour their travel to workplaces in order to go far around big city predators (pit bulls, gangsters, etc.)? There are no police in remote areas to arrest thuggish dangerous animals, so residents are on their own to defend themselves.


42 posted on 03/01/2014 8:20:40 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: marktwain

My Wife just told me that moose can be really deadly during rutting season. I wouldn’t know.
Only thing I know was the first time I ever saw a moose here in the deep Rocky Mountains, it was taller than a freaking camper!
WOW!!


43 posted on 03/01/2014 8:22:04 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: marktwain

Next thing ya know, the animal worshipers will be demanding laws against using “assault weapons” to defend against dangerous animal attacks. [More magazine capacity could make up for small bores in some cases.]

;-)


44 posted on 03/01/2014 8:26:06 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

The problem is that people have a little too much empathy. They put themselves in the position of the animal. If the snowmobiler had been hurt, they would put themselves in the position of the snowmobiler.

Excess empathy is hard to deal with. Another problem is that people who live in urban areas do not see much wildlife, so they value it much more, instead of seeing it as a renewable resource.


45 posted on 03/01/2014 8:34:44 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: golux

We own the food chain.


46 posted on 03/01/2014 8:44:59 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: marktwain

The family was hunting elk a few years ago and a bull moose wanted to come see us. He was moaning and swinging his head, deep in the rut. I stood up to show him I was a man and he kept coming slowly. A moose is so dim-witted and slow, you can’t change his mind once he makes it up. I suggested the morning hunt was about over and we started for the pickup as fast as the 8 year old could walk. The bull got on our trail and tailed us 100 yards back and jumped 2 fences to keep up. We got back to the pickup 3/4 mile later with him 50 yards back, still moaning and groaning.

I’ve had many close encounter with moose and managed to avoid killing one, so far.


47 posted on 03/01/2014 8:50:36 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: fso301

In hind site, a tragic mistake. Maybe he thought the moose would flee.


48 posted on 03/01/2014 9:11:45 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: eartrumpet

Sounds to me like you took unnecessary risks, especially with a child along.

I’m in northern Alberta, and if this happened to me, I would not hesitate, I would fill the moose with .308 from a semi auto.


49 posted on 03/01/2014 9:12:30 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: marktwain
Last summer while working in Ontario I took a few days off and went north into Quebec for some pretty primitive camping. I have a modified 4wd truck so got back in the bush quite a ways. On a trail, I went around a bend and came face on to a moose. I had no idea till then how huge they were. If he had taken offense at my truck, the bull could have beat the tar out of it. Fortunately, the moose turned the other way then trotted away before turning off the trail and disappearing.

IMHO the snow machine guy did about as good as he could and it was damn prudent to have a firearm. I am really surprised that a normal handgun caliber would take a big game down. No way would I approach to give a final shot to positively put the animal down with a handgun. Too dangerous and just get away. I shot a deer at long distance once and didn't know it but the bullet hit him in the head and bounced off. The buck was knocked unconscious and came to as my friend and I were kneeling over him to field dress. If there had not been two of us the buck could well have been the winner. Same with that moose, he could have jumped up to continue the attack.

50 posted on 03/01/2014 9:29:55 PM PST by Hootowl99
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