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Putin Cites Historic Precedent for Crimea Vote
Semi-News/Semi-Satire ^ | 7 March 2014 | John Semmens

Posted on 03/08/2014 11:45:09 AM PST by John Semmens

In rebuttal to President Obama’s assertion that having voters in the Crimea decide whether to be immediately absorbed into Russia or to first declare independence from Ukraine before being absorbed is illegal and “on the wrong side of history,” Russian President Vladimir Putin cited a 20th century precedent in justification.

“A plebiscite in which the people of a region decide their own fate is the most democrat way of resolving sovereignty issues,” Putin said. “We are not inventing this method. In 1938 it was used to allow the people of Austria to unite with their fellow ethnic Germans. Why should we not use it to permit the majority of ethnic Russians in the Crimea to reunite with their mother country?”

The presence of Russian troops in the Crimea, according to Putin, “will ensure that the fascist Ukrainian minority does not intimidate the Russian majority from freely expressing its wishes.” The Russian President intimated that he has similar concerns that ethnic Russians are being mistreated in other nations bordering his country and “would not rule out forceful intervention to secure their liberty from their oppressors.”

Perhaps the most tragic consequence of the Crimean crisis is that it may force President Obama to cut short his Florida vacation. The trip, his third vacation since January 1st of this year, is considered “vital to the nation,” according to First Lady Michelle. “How can Barack be expected to retain his image as the world’s most important and powerful man if a minor skirmish in a far off part of the world is permitted to disrupt his plans? Rather than allowing himself to be diminished by events he should rise above them by doing as he pleases.”

if you missed any of this week's other semi-news/semi-satire posts you can find them at...

http://azconservative.org/2014/03/08/seriously-ill-hurt-by-obamacare-a-tiny-minority/


TOPICS: Humor
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; satire; ukraine

1 posted on 03/08/2014 11:45:09 AM PST by John Semmens
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To: John Semmens

The Anschlusski continues unimpeded...


2 posted on 03/08/2014 11:52:55 AM PST by Regulator
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To: John Semmens

Good job. It wasn’t until the next to last paragraph about Madame Michelle that I realized it was satire.


3 posted on 03/08/2014 11:54:27 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I just messed up my tagline. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: John Semmens
Putin is the thug and Obama's are acting like French Royalty...guess that would make John Kerry the court jester

Good one


4 posted on 03/08/2014 12:21:03 PM PST by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: John Semmens
“Historic precedent”—Sudetenland
5 posted on 03/08/2014 1:59:25 PM PST by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: John Semmens

Just because it was intended to be satire doesn’t mean it is satire.


6 posted on 03/08/2014 3:15:39 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: John Semmens

Another good one. Just getting better and better.

For some fun pop ‘Hawaii plebiscite’ in a search engine...


7 posted on 03/08/2014 3:20:35 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: John Semmens

Notice that the option of Crimea becoming a independent state is not on the ballot. The Russians are going to count the votes.


8 posted on 03/08/2014 4:47:02 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette

there is no possibility of Crimea becoming an independent state. It is 60 to 77% (numbers vary on where you look) Russian. In any plebiscite it would become Russian, just as Srbska Republik in Bosnia Herzegovina would join Servia if it could..


9 posted on 03/09/2014 4:34:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
there is no possibility of Crimea becoming an independent state.

Not when the option is not even on the ballot. To hear people tell it the Crimean choice is slavery as an Autonomous Republic of the Ukraine or be part of Putinstan.

There are areas of the Baltic states that have high numbers of Russians; Annex them too? Should we legitimize Stalin's Russification Program?

10 posted on 03/09/2014 7:58:16 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
There's a big difference between Ukraine and Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia --> the Ukrainians are East Slavic as are Russians. The languages are somewhat mutually intelligible

The Baltic and Finnic language of the baltic state are not slavic and the people are not either

If you want to nullify Stalin's move in the Ukraine then you need to create a separate Crimean Tatarstan, not give it to Ukraine.

11 posted on 03/09/2014 11:07:06 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Doesn’t seem that Putin needs much of an excuse.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 5:42:22 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette

your question was — should we let him take Crimea and comparing it to the Baltic states. Putin will do what he wants to do, but in the case of Crimea it’s not as black and white as the Baltic states.


13 posted on 03/10/2014 6:39:42 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
Putin will do what he wants to do, but in the case of Crimea it’s not as black and white as the Baltic states.

I see, it is a better thing to occupy under force some sovereign states (which your nation vouchsafed) than other states. Based on what self serving logic?

If what Russia is doing in Ukraine is OK then why do they have guns?

14 posted on 03/10/2014 1:30:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Cronos

A year ago only 23% of Crimeans wanted to join Russia.

http://www.iri.org/sites/default/files/2013%20October%207%20Survey%20of%20Crimean%20Public%20Opinion,%20May%2016-30,%202013.pdf Page 17


15 posted on 03/10/2014 2:28:13 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
Firstly, as I said above, kindly don't make your own erroneous statements of what I said

you sad " it is a better thing to occupy under force some sovereign states (which your nation vouchsafed) than other states. Based on what self serving logic?" -- I said Putin will do what he wants to do --> using force to occupy any state's land is wrong

In the case of Crimea, Russia makes the case that this is Russian land given by Khrushchev

you said "If it is a better thing to occupy under force some sovereign states (which your nation vouchsafed) than other states. Based on what self serving logic?" --> i didn't say it was ok, just that it's not as black and white simple as Russia occupying Lithuania.

16 posted on 03/11/2014 5:06:33 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Russia signed an agreement (not the Soviet Union of Khrushchev) guaranteeing the sovereignty of the Ukraine including Crimea. That Russia went back on their word without seeking mediation from the UN seems pretty black and white to me.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 5:57:27 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
it does, but look at the historical reasoning -- Crimea is to many Russians a kind of birthplace.

and for hard-nosed reasons, it is the best place out for Russia -- Murmansk is too much tothe north while the Baltic sea can be shut off --> I'd suggest also reading Orlando Figes' book on the Crimean war for a deeper understanding

All of this doesn't negate the fact that Putin is legally wrong and we need to give him a shouting so that he doesn't get ideas about the Baltic states, -- I just point out how deep rooted Crimea is to the Russian psyche (well to be fair even Kiev)

18 posted on 03/14/2014 4:14:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Make no mistake Kiev (Kievan Rus’) is the Russian birthplace.


19 posted on 03/14/2014 8:10:43 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mike Darancette
well, the East Slavic birthplace -- the birthplace of what are now called Russians, ukrainians and Belarussians

The tragedy is that the Moscowites have gotten away with calling themselves the only Russians while the others are to be assimilated.

The reality is reflected in the erstwhile Tsar's title of "Tsar of all the Russias" -- the various Rus principalities

20 posted on 03/15/2014 7:30:02 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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