Posted on 04/11/2014 7:58:55 PM PDT by Lorianne
Despite popular belief, every culture of every nation draws a line in the sand against government tyranny. The problem is, many draw this line so close to total defeat that it rarely matters. For the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto, for instance, it wasn't until the Germans had already herded millions onto railroad cars destined for death camps and cornered the rest into dilapidated central housing that the ZOB resistance was formed, only to be wiped out a month later. Perhaps hindsight is 20/20, but clearly too many freedom movements throughout history waited too long to respond to the trespasses of oligarchs.
The Founding Fathers frequently struggled with the proper measure of resistance. Many colonials wanted vengeance on the British after the Boston Massacre in March of 1770, but patriots knew that the timing was not right. The battle to rally citizens to the cause and to educate the masses as much as possible on the facts took precedence over the desire to enter conflict. The Founders endured five more years of British government criminality until nearly 80 farmers and militiamen stood outnumbered on Lexington Green on April 19th, 1775 to confront an army of 700 British regulars on a mission to capture rebel leaders and destroy weapons caches. No one knew at the time that the war would be sparked that day, but everyone knew that a fight was inevitable and near.
I believe the same feeling hangs in the air of modern America for REAL Americans, and by “real”, I mean those who actually support and defend the constitutional values and principles that lay at the foundation of our society. We sense that something is coming; a great change, or an unstoppable reckoning.
The question of when to strike back is pivotal to any resistance movement. Turn to violence too soon or without proper cause in the eyes of the public, and the rebellion may lose the moral high ground and the support of the populace. Wait too long, and the totalitarian hordes may be too far entrenched, forcing the rebellion to fight from a position of strategic weakness.
There are those who might argue that America crossed the “red line” long ago and now our society is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while arguing over futile semantics. In certain respects, I can see their point. The U.S. political system is utterly lost. Anyone who still has faith in the Left/Right paradigm after two terms of George W. Bush and nearly two terms of Barack Obama is either insane, or mentally challenged. It should be obvious to Republicans and Democrats alike that our government does NOT represent the average man, and our election process is a sham. Democrats in particular should be equally furious and ashamed as the candidate they blindly worshiped to the point of cultism has now forsaken every value they thought he represented.
The legal apparatus of the U.S. is also beyond repair. Those in the mainstream who argue that grievances with government should be addressed by the courts instead of independent action obviously have not considered that the courts continuously uphold and defend legislation like that contained within the NDAA, which allows for rendition, torture, and even assassination of American citizens without trial or due process. And where are the prosecutions of Constitutional violations by the NSA? Why aren't men like James Clapper in prison for lying directly to Congress. Why hasn't Eric Holder been slapped in irons for his involvement with “Fast and Furious”? And what about the international financiers who back these politicians? How many of them have been prosecuted for their involvement in the toxic derivatives scandals that are destroying our economy to this day?
No, we lost the courts a long time ago. They will do nothing to save this country. But is the fight already over? I think not.
Nihilism is tempting for those people who are lazy and frightened and looking for a philosophical excuse to run away from making a stand. Claiming the fight is lost before it has truly begun is a longstanding tradition amongst millions upon millions of cowards through history. Every freedom fighter in every great revolution for liberty has heard the same arguments that we hear today – “It's too late to change things. The enemy is too powerful and you will be crushed. The nail that sticks up will eventually be hammered down. Your movement is a minority on the fringe and no one will support you. None of you have the guts to really follow through...”
While there is certainly much to despair in the state of our nation, I find the notion that Americans will do nothing in response misplaced and ignorant. From what I have observed, it is not a question of “if” citizens snap, but when.
With objective eyes one could easily see it during the last attempts by the federal government to pass anti-gun legislation that would have led to confiscation. Pro-2nd Amendment protests erupted all over the country (though the MSM mostly ignored them) with participants far outnumbering the miniscule groups in support of gun control. The sentiment amongst millions of gun owners and millions of Liberty Movement proponents was that we were not going to allow government enforcement of new gun laws. Period. If that meant we had to start using those same guns to put an end to government, then that was exactly what we would do. The feds, of course, buckled.
Rather than take the more dangerous and unifying direct route of federal legislation, gun grabbers have shifted strategies, isolating and targeting specific states they believe will be more pliable and easier to conquer. Connecticut and parts of New York, however, have shown that even people in the most socialist of states have no intention of complying with gun registration or confiscation. In Connecticut, only 38,000 high capacity magazines were registered according to the new gun laws, while approximately 2.4 million purchased through retail remain unaccounted for. Only 50,000 “assault weapons” were registered, while at least 300,000 remain unaccounted for. A sizable number of police are also refusing to enforce registration measures (some out of constitutional loyalty, and some out of a desire for self preservation), causing the state of Connecticut to back off of its hard line rhetoric.
I can say with full confidence that the conditions within Connecticut alone would lead to an open shooting war if officials actually attempt to enforce registration and confiscation. If Safe Act-style legislation or executive orders are ever enforced at a national level, I have no doubt revolution would follow.
The latest hotbed I have witnessed is the Bureau of Land Management attack on a cattle farm in Clark County, Nevada owned by Cliven Bundy. The BLM has so far stolen over 500 cattle from Bundy on the grounds that the federal government owns the land his family has been using for grazing pasture for generations. The confiscation was implemented under the auspices of “protection for endangered species”. The species in this instance being a desert tortoise.
The methods used by the BLM resemble a militant raid, with hundreds of agents, helicopters, and even snipers at their disposal. Adding insult to injury and making the issue a national concern, the feds have also staged “First Amendment Zones” miles away from their activities to keep protestors out.
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This may seem like a minor event, a tiff over cattle grazing or possibly property rights, but there is much more going on here.
Tyranny leaves lasting scars, and each tyrannical act results in an accumulation of wounds on the public psyche that do not heal. In the end, a single event can become a trigger to unleash a torrent of rage pent up in a population for years or decades. The fight for Cliven Bundy's farm has the potential to become such a trigger.
So far, federal abuses have been primarily toward Bundy's cattle, with confiscation ongoing and suspicions that a number of the cows are being killed. Here, protestors try to stop a truck from leaving the area which they believed might be carrying dead animals. Agents respond with dogs and tasers.
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However, I believe that if this situation escalates into a Waco or Ruby Ridge brand of event, not only Liberty Movement residents of Nevada, but Liberty Movement champions across the nation will indeed finally throw down the gauntlet. What does that mean? It means they are going to start shooting. Opposing groups can debate whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, but the reality is that one way or another, it is going to happen.
Discussions within the movement are far from apathetic. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of eyes are watching every move of the BLM right now, and they should be taking this fact very seriously.
The naysayers will claim that we don't have the will to take action. They are welcome to think whatever they like. But mark my words, Constitutionally minded Americans are not going to stand by and watch another massacre, nor a loss of gun rights, nor will we be entertaining violations of our freedoms for much longer. This society is on the edge of something. It's kinetic, or electric. It is not yet quite visible but it is there, reverberating in the atmosphere. My suggestion to our federal bureaucracy would be to do what they did during the gun debate, and quickly back away.
Of course, we all know they won't.
Do the elites want to stir up insurgency in order to give pretense for a larger crackdown? They very well might. But it is transparent in the way they try to mitigate dissent and offer placation that they do not want a rebellion larger than they can manage. I think it is far too late for that. I think they've pissed off too many people, instead of just enough people. I think that though most pretend-Americans will do nothing but watch in horror or hide in their hovels, the size of resistance to the tides of despotism is growing far beyond common realizations. And, when this resistance erupts, it will shock even those who fully expect it.
I agree but look how liberals are already portraying the issue:
“What is new is the mostly out of state extremist right wing push to use this as a flashpoint for some kind of violent revolution. Excellent diaries have already been written about how everyone on Fox News and the vaguely traitorous Tea fringes have been calling for open revolution to protect this man from the tyranny of paying his bills. I have been “discussing” this with a lot of them on the Facebook pages of several of our local news stations for days now. (Yes, I know, but someone had to present the view that stealing is bad.) They scare me, frankly. They have no idea of history or law or the actual facts of the case, and they don’t care. They were told to be outraged, and they are. They’re streaming into the state armed and dangerous and with an extremely tenuous grip on reality, looking for trouble. I fear that they will find it.”
Read the entire piece but I warn you it will make you angry and sick!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/12/1291439/-The-Bundy-Ranch-flashpoint-a-Nevadan-s-perspective
We had a very different population and culture back then... and even so, there was no shortage of outrageous and heinous acts.
....(((when the timing is right))).....
How and who will determine that?..and by what means?
It takes more than a willingness to fight for ones country. ....it takes some form of leadership.
Heck, even when the Gov. shut down the Monuments etc and wouldn’t let people in there was a call to march to Washington.....compared to our population the response was few...though I have to say it was effective in some respects. But it was leaderless for the most part...nothing “central” to bring it together.
So any uprising had better well be led and with “protection” from outsiders invading it and creating “unintended chaos”. I have no confidence anyone is at that point....and I don’t think that will be until we see what this election brings.
You see I have many questions and rightfully so....
Perhaps it will be several hills...such as the open sexualization and homosexual brainwashing of our kids in the public schools. One hill might be the opposition to policies that reduce food and employment availability so that our children face real starvation in a land that is still rich beyond measure!
Our families and children should be the apples of our eyes that government backed perverts should never be allowed to touch!
Leadership naturally arises in such situations.
It will not be clean, or occur in a straight line.
No such movement in history ever has.
We’ve have been defrauded in our elections, and that fraud has become a Democrat mod us opera mid.
If they steal 2014, it will be a bridge too far.
Less than seven months remain before reasonable men will have a stark reality thrust in their faces.
We either get the country back on track in November, or we will find that the communists want a fight.
And they will get one.
It seems the only real way to get FedGov™ complete attention is to lob artillery rounds into one of their forts.
You are just wrong. The purpose of the second amendment isn't so we could go hunting and it isn't for the right of self defense. These are just side benefits of the second amendment. The REAL purpose of the second amendment is so the people can take up arms against a tyrannical Federal govt. with at least the same personal firepower as the Feds have. This threat is real and implicit.
Did you ask yourself before you replied, was shutting down of the monuments the right time or the spark? I do not know what the timing is and you are correct we need a leader. I have been saying this for years and with the military purge I had figured one would appear and am still thinking that.
I know about willingness my FRiend.
The first revolution only 13% were in agreement that anything should be done. If that is the number this time it is anyones guess but the reckoning is coming if our FERAL government does not mend it’s ways.
Yes, yes many questions and few answers. The only insight I have for you is to be prepared for whatever YOU are willing to do. The biggest is to be prepared to protect your family first and foremost. Then you go from there.
Worked well for Bundy.
“This is the LAST rancher in the area?”
Control of food and water means control of the population.
People have no comprehension how brittle the fed is. It is not only liable for dispensing hundreds of billions of dollars per year to it dependents but it also has impossible debt obligations which are over one hundred times greater than its yearly disbursements -and growing.
Even the hint of popular revolt could crash the system via a lack of confidence in the govt. to pay its obligations. This would likely initiate a makers vs. takers civil war.
Make no mistake communists and liberals are one in the same They are takers and will defend expropriation of others resources until someone stops them. Example: FReeper caww’s defense of Putin’s taking of Crimea and advocacy for the status quo in support a government overrun by corrupt leftists.
I took the article to mean that we are close, very close, but the timing isn’t exactly right yet. The pot is simmering but not yet at a full boil.
The “3 percenters” are good to go now, of course, but most good, law-abiding people aren’t ... yet. The folks with the AR-15s are breathing heavy but Grandpa hasn’t pulled out his .22 yet. That’s when you’ll know.
I believe one more outrage, one more Ruby Ridge, could be the final spark for another Lexington.
But what worries me most is that the current Regime might WANT large-scale bloodshed. We already know the Regime is gearing up for massive civil unrest, and they have the tools to make it happen on an epic scale. (”Those mean Republicans trimmed the funding so no EBT payments at all this month. So sorry.”) One day the power goes out, and when it comes back on you find MRAPs blocking the Interstate and SWAT teams kicking down thousands of doors.
And with the likely changes ahead in Congress come November, what do they have to gain by waiting?
FRiends, you should be finishing up your preps right now as if your life depended upon it.
I will stand and fight. I took an oath of office and still hold that office today. I will stake my wealth, my honor, and my life to fight for freedom and liberty for my Country.
Bttt
........I am familiar with Ross’s book.
apparently not
...........So who appoints the “guerrilla’s”?
no one, see the book
... Who chooses what targets and those not?
those that make tyranny will be targets those that don’t won’t be targets, simple.
....Who will have the authority?
Read US History you will clearly see who has the authority.
......Who leads?
..... Who follows?..and what of the aftermath?
..... Who takes over?
..... Who calms the people?
......How do you know friend or foe?
War is hell, innocents get caught up in every war. War is the result of one side underestimating how much they can take from the other side without repercussions. Leaders and followers will sprout up from the masses just like any war.
.......You see there are many willing it would seem, but no order to it.... who’s running any sort of that kind of operation? Nobody’s asked me...have they you?... I doubt it.....so how would it come about?...when where would it begin?
using your limited thought process, who knows? who cares?
with NSA surveilling everyone no one will be asking you anything. It will begin when it begins.
.......Waiting til something triggers violence makes no sense to me when there remains other options not yet exhausted.
what are those options? How much tyranny, corruption lying and abuse are you willing to accept? Do you see any of the administration lying crooks being punished or protected? The rule of law is dead, the courts including the Supreme Court are corrupted.
.......I believe there is still hope for another solution, other options.....we’re not done trying those...and this next election is one
The last election was rampant with fraud, the IRS was used to prevent a fair election and no one has gone to jail for it so what makes you think this election will be different?
Do you need a photo id or birth certificate to vote? Why not?
I pray war does not happen, but I don’t see Congress doing anything to stop it. The only way to prevent it is to let the corrupt tyrants know that the people are coming for them and hope they flee instead of fight.
now go read or see “J’accuse” and see if you can put together a list of those you think are corrupt tyrants. Do you know what they look like, where they live, what they drive? Where they frequent? Why not, they know who you are, where you live, what’s in your emails and posts.
Yep, and it isn't going to be "real" Americans who start it. It will be those in power running this out of control government who have been dividing the people and making preparations for this, such as ammo and armored vehicle purchases.
Ol' dingy harry and his son just got caught early in the process of doing what all of the elites hope to do ( take our land; our wealth; our country; and our Christian way of life).
From a link in the comments section of your post’s link....
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBRE87U06D20120831?i=2&irpc=932
Top News
U.S. Senator Reid, son combine for China firm’s desert plant
Fri, Aug 31 05:06 AM EDT
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By Marcus Stern
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions.
In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid’s sons or son-in-law for representation.
Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert.
Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.
Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with “an iffy ethical landscape” because of the family connections and should recuse himself from the project. “Is this just happening because ... it benefits the Reid family, or did Harry Reid actually believe in this?” Holman said.
The senator has supported numerous clean energy projects in Nevada. Rory Reid cites energy as one of his specialty areas at the law firm.
The two Reids deny discussing the ENN project.
“I have never discussed the project with my father or his staff,” said Rory Reid. Kristen Orthman, a spokeswoman for the senator, said he had not discussed the project with his son.
The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid’s guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas.
County officials have said that they were so thrilled to recruit a company to the area, with the prospect of thousands of new local jobs, that they were eager to negotiate.
ENN is headed by Chinese energy tycoon Wang Yusuo, who made a fortune estimated by Forbes at $2.2 billion distributing natural gas in China. Wang escorted Reid and a delegation of nine other U.S. senators on a tour of the company’s clean energy operations in Langfang, and Reid featured Wang as a speaker at his 4th annual National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas last year.
NEVADA’S LARGEST LAW FIRM
To advance the Nevada project, ENN retained the state’s largest and most prestigious law firm - Lionel Sawyer & Collins, where Rory Reid works. It is headed by Richard Bryan, a former Nevada attorney general, governor and member of the U.S. Senate.
“Nihilism is tempting for those people who are lazy and frightened and looking for a philosophical excuse to run away from making a stand. Claiming the fight is lost before it has truly begun is a longstanding tradition amongst millions upon millions of cowards through history”.
LOL, look Alex, someone described you to a ‘T’.
I see you troll threads that hint at trouble brewing, in your genius attempt to discourage anyone from even thinking of standing tall for AMERICA.
I’ve asked sincere questions of you and you never ever take the time to answer. You truly are a coward as well as a silly blowhard. How about you come back to your home land and take a peek at what AMERICANS are doing! Novel idea no?
Here’s a likely scenario:
Republicans hold the House but Boehner is still the speaker. Even if he’s replaced we probably end up with Canter. We still have a gutless House that won’t do anything.
Republicans take the Senate but only have a one or two vote majority. McConnell is likely to win and he will still be in charge.
We won’t have enough votes to override presidential vetos so nothing is likely to change. 0bama will continue his lawlessness and there still won’t be anyone with enough balls to do anything about it. The GOPe will NOT impeach 0bama and will not have enough power make ANY real changes.
That leaves it up to “We the People”.
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