Posted on 05/20/2014 12:44:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy
Re Marx’s “Jewishness,” being Jewish is more than professing a religion. It is also an ethnicity. And denying one’s Jewishness, or being self-loathing does not turn one into a gentile.
Ethnic Jews are still descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob (Israel), no matter what religion they may profess. AFAICS, Adolf targeted Jews by both ethnicity and religion.
According to this page from the Holocaust Museum,
Sailing so close to Florida that they could see the lights of Miami, some passengers on the St. Louis cabled President Franklin D. Roosevelt asking for refuge. Roosevelt never responded. The State Department and the White House had decided not to take extraordinary measures to permit the refugees to enter the United States. A State Department telegram sent to a passenger stated that the passengers must "await their turns on the waiting list and qualify for and obtain immigration visas before they may be admissible into the United States." US diplomats in Havana intervened once more with the Cuban government to admit the passengers on a "humanitarian" basis, but without success.
FDR's action was supposedly based on the 1924 law.
But did he have the power to override the law on humanitarian grounds, and did he choose to forgo its exercise? It appears he did. In August 1940, the Portugese freighter Quanza, a ship filled with over 300 passengers, including 83 Jewish refugees fleeing from France, was allowed to dock in Norfolk, Virginia. Asylum was granted to all passengers many of whom at the time believed they had to return to Europe, and the Nazis. Eleanor probably deserves some credit for the policy change.
Sadly, I believe his mother was Jewish.
Not that it matters under Jewish law, but his mother converted 7 years after Karl was born.
Karl was, indeed, baptized Lutheran at a young age, was reasonably active in church, and had zero Jewish education.
(I have read to the contrary, that his mother was not Jewish and his father converted in order to marry her, which would make Marx not Jewish.)
Many claim social justice as religion
If only it were that simple but its just an excuse nowadays to do what comes natural to humans
1) Most of the country -- White or Black -- was behind FDR in 1936.
2) Most Blacks in large parts of the country couldn't vote then. If African-Americans had the vote across the country and had held office in states where they couldn't, those numbers might have been different.
3) FDR was personally popular with Blacks and won their votes, but it took time for African-Americans to fully embrace the Democratic Party. In FDR's time, African-Americans went from identifying strongly with Republicans to identifying 50% with the Republicans and 50% with the Democrats. It would be another 20 years before African-Americans registered overwhelmingly with the Democrats. Eisenhower and Nixon won over a third of the Black vote when they ran.
Conservative democrats switched fairly quickly.
It depends on what you mean by "fairly quickly." From when to when? Southerners who had complaints about FDR still voted for Stevenson, Kennedy, maybe Johnson, definitely Carter. That's not "fairly quickly" in my book. Things are even more unclear with the less liberal Northern Democrats, who might have swung to Nixon or Reagan, but who swung back in later elections (or died).
My point, though, was that people can come up with all kinds of theories why Jews vote Democrat, but it's very unlikely that they'd swing to McCain (in a very Democrat) year or Romney because of Obama's Muslim heritage or because he was liberal or progressive. If you've been a convinced liberal for decades, you aren't going to run away because of one candidate.
True, Jimmy Carter did do a lot to drive Jews away from the Democrats, but even though Obama may be as bad as Carter there are reasons why he has better control of his base -- White or Black.
LL: I don’t have any books here at the office on the Russian Revolution, but there were two, the Kerensky Revolution and the Lenin Revolution, basically occurring at the same time.
What someone needs to do is to see how many Russian Jews supported Kerensky, who I believe was more of a democratic socialist, but definitely not a marxist.
Interestingly, two people I knew summed up personal experiences with Russian Communism. The first man was the Pulitzer Prise winning writer Isaac Don Levine, who covered the Russian Revolution as a journalist, and who later brought admitted Soviet spy Whittaker Chambers to AA Berle in the White House.
He warned the world of the threat of communism.
Meanwhile, in the US, a man named Marx Lewis (he was named after Karl Marx), took at stand. I once asked him when he first became an anti-communist, and he said, Nov. 4, 1917. He was one of the Jewish anti-communist labor leaders (Hatters Union) in the US, along with his friend Arthur McDowell, and others.
Both spent a lifetime fighting tyranny from the Communists to the Nazis, and the Japanese thrown in too. Both were Jewish and proud of it and both loved America. They were later joined by Morrie Ryskind and other Jews/non-Jews in the Screen Writers Guild who fought the Reds in Hollywood (along with Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Ward Bond, Adolph Manjeou (sp.?, a man named Barron?, and others.
The old AFL-CIO of George Meaney had many Jewish labor leaders/staffers who successfully fought and crippled the Reds in the labor movement (including Jay Lovestone and his fellow ex-reds, among others).
By the way, the largest contingent in the founding, leadership and membership of the Communist Party USA were from Scandinavia, esp. Finland, according to research provided to Congress by the late Herb Romerstein (and published in House Internal Security Committee hearings, esp. The Theory and Practice of Communism in US Labor, about 1971.
Herb was once the youngest member of the CPUSA, left it because he saw through its lies and bullshit, served in the Korean War, and later devoted his professional career as a govt internal security investigator to exposing communism in the US. He was also the author/co-author of several of the top books on Communism - Venona (with Eric Breindel); Soviet spies (with Stan Evans; the Made-in-Moscow “International Brigades” of the Spanish Civil War, and most of the “Theory and Practice” hearings of HISC, among many other works.
Not all Jews were leftists and many of us who started out as family Democrats learned real fast that the Dems were often the enemies of America, not it supporters (McGovern, Abzug, Dellums, Conyers, all the way to Obama, Axelrod (and his red mentors), Pelois and Reid).
Today, American Jews are among the leadership of the conservative movement across America and in the conservative media. Names like Horowitz, Klein (many), Goldberg, Kesler, King, Chesler, Byren, Rozeman, Kristol, Krouthammer, Mark Levin, etc.
We know who the enemy is and we will not be silent about exposing them.
We also are working hard on getting our misled and undereducated religious brethern to wake up before it is the 1930’s all over again (a time of blindness and pisspoor Jewish leadership).
The fact is that Jews have never voted republican, and it isn’t because of your bizarre claim about them being in La La land politically and just voting the same for a 150 years out of habit.
Actually you claimed that everyone takes forever to “change”, which just isn’t true at all.
You can’t ignore the facts about blacks for instance, until 1932, they always voted republican, in 1936 they made an instant, and permanent switch.
In 1932 the black vote being republican, gave the democrats the unsurprising 23%, and in 1936, they made the instant and permanent switch, suddenly going 71% democrat, and staying there.
The man who became president for life, was hardly known as timid with his presidential power. If he rejected them, then he rejected them on purpose.
We are remarkable all right. When you have a smart Jew he predominates with his intellectual prowess over the rest of the human race, but when you have a dumb Jew, he is an insult to human intelligence. As a Jew, I was perplexed which of those remarkable Jewish-Americans voted for Obama in 2008; to me, it was completely obvious that the alternative choices for president in 2008 were clear and unambiguous... The old saw, There are two types of Jewsthose who believe that Judaism is about social justice and those who know Hebrew, contains more than a kernel of truth. By and large, orthodox Jews voted for McCain in 2008 and for Romney in 2012.
My parents, aleihem hashalom, were both strongly anti-communist liberals (Adlai Stevenson was their hero), who both voted solidly Democratic until 1972, when George McGovern was a bridge too far for my father. (I think my mother still voted D that year.)
McCain is a piss poor pilot, no a war hero.
That Jews voted for Hitler is a classic Jew hater canard. Among several, including the classic that Marx was a Jew. Wouldn’t blame him on the Lutherans either, he failed in his early religious writings. Russian Jews obviously loved communism however, as evidenced by the fact that they began leaving en mass in the 1880s.
As to the semite thing, antisemitism, no -, was a term coined by Wilhelm Marr in the 1880s or so for the name of his political party. Means Jew hatred, nothing to do with semites. Guess he didn't want to name his party, which advocated the expulsion of Jews from Europe, the Jew haters. Caught on a bit in Germany and France, but didn't last. And has no connections to National Socialism. Semite is a linguistic term embracing more the Hebrew and Arabic. It had a single meaning.
Karl's father Heinrich (formerly Herschel) converted to Lutheranism the year before Karl was born, in order to keep practicing law after the Rhineland changed from French to Prussian control. His mother, Henriette Pressburg, converted when Karl was 7.
The family lived as very liberal Protestants without any strong religious beliefs. Karl grew up to be an atheist.
The term 'social justice' was devised by Catholics, Jesuits to be exact.
See post 55, actually dates to the late 19th century. The antisemitisch party.
If that were the case, they would be less dramatically aligned with the Democrats.
Another issue may be that Jews see the Republican party as being heavily under the influence of Evangelicals, and they don't care for being aligned with Christians.
You appear to be suggesting that despite being raised by Lutheran parents, baptized, raised as a Lutheran, engaging in writing about Lutheran theology, if your parents are Juden, conversion is invalid. Or at best temporary, until a Christian doesn't like you. Kind of makes a lie of evangelization, doesn't it.
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