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I can't stop thinking about those poor men left dead on the road to Bahgdad. I can't sleep.
6/14/2014 | Nikos1121

Posted on 06/14/2014 1:35:36 AM PDT by nikos1121

I can't sleep, because I have seared visions of all those poor, loyal Iraqi soldiers rounded up, handcuffed with terror in their eyes and forced to speak in a video while cowards in machine guns watch. These poor men, wondering, expecting that eventually someone will rescue them, and they'll be home.

I see some who are obviously veteran soldiers, probably who have engaged in many battles over the years, who were trained by our soldiers, fought besides us and with whom they still have warm friendships.

I can't sleep, because I keep seeing them on their knees, then murdered one by one, tumbling forward like bear cubs.

What kind of people are we that we sit back and do nothing for people with whom our soldiers fought and maybe died with?

What advice is our military giving our president? I'm not in the military, but I see these AlQaida cowards, driving brazenly down a single road in broad daylight, and I wonder...why don't we mow them down with our jets? With our drones? This would send a message to those Iraqi soldiers that we're with you.

Why don't we kill these cowards, then use what ever diplomacy you wish afterwards, but let's start with a clear message.

I feel sick. This is not the America I've known.

Say what you wish about Malaki and anyone else there in power in Iraq, but these people asked for our help, and we don't help?

This is bad people. Very bad.

What kind of people are we?


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: indecisiveusa; iraq; obama
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1 posted on 06/14/2014 1:35:37 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

Just remember Obama has it all under control


2 posted on 06/14/2014 1:36:52 AM PDT by woofie
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To: nikos1121

I can’t sleep thinking about it either


3 posted on 06/14/2014 1:38:18 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: nikos1121
This would send a message to those Iraqi soldiers that we're with you

Except, we're not.

4 posted on 06/14/2014 1:38:57 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: nikos1121

Amen. Prayers of help for them and of repentance for America.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 1:40:44 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: nikos1121

I can’t sleep because I have to be to work in an hour, but I can’t get my mind off this situation, either.

Don’t forget zero let this al-baghdadi guy go in 2009.


6 posted on 06/14/2014 1:45:03 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: nikos1121

It’s not the people, It’s Congress and politically sensitive military.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 1:46:06 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: nikos1121

When imbeciles are enfranchised, bad stuff happens.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 1:47:42 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: nikos1121

I watched the video of Daniel Pearl getting his head sawed off by disgusting monsters.

I am haunted by that vision.

I believe that beheading should be required viewing by most American adults. It would wake up many to the horror of what we are dealing with.

These images are ugly to look at, but in my opinion are necessary. This is the reality we live in.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 1:48:14 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Aurorales

I do not say this in any disrespect to the Iraqi military, but I can’t imagine our soldiers would lay down their arms and succumb like lambs to these....these, yes...monsters. I would take as many with me.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 1:50:45 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: txhurl

And will the gutless media remind him?


11 posted on 06/14/2014 1:53:14 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

Well.... ISIS is collapsing political structure - including the military - like butter. Word is Iraqi government was going to vote on asking us for drone strikes, but too many had fled to convene a quorum.

Look for Baghdad to melt away, politically, too.


12 posted on 06/14/2014 1:54:12 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: woofie

Yeah. What is he saying? “I have my team looking at options that we may use in the days ahead.”

Can you imagine Stonewall Jackson or Custer or Grant or Patton or Nimitz saying that with the enemy in your gun sites?

What is going on here?


13 posted on 06/14/2014 1:55:23 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: txhurl

I read and heard where Malaki asked early on for air strikes when AlQaida was marching down a single road from Mosul.


14 posted on 06/14/2014 1:57:22 AM PDT by nikos1121
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I had a similiar reaction watching one of those ISIS propaganda videos on Youtube. An ISIS terrorist had an Iraqi soldier bound on the back of the truck and was babbling in Arabic while the Iraqi soldier was crying his eyes out in terror and fear.

The odd thing that really got me was how the ISIS guy kept looking over at the Iraqi soldier and clapping him on the shoulder like they were best buddiess. I imagine the conversation went something like this, "You see my friend, We represent the true Islam and the Caliphate for all Muslims. You chose the wrong side and now it is time to pay the price of the Infidel."

15 posted on 06/14/2014 1:59:05 AM PDT by JPX2011
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What video is this? I watch a lot of news coverage and I missed it.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 1:59:38 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: nikos1121

Have you read ISIS’ ‘ten commandments’? This group seems very contrived, engineered to me. zero won’t do anything until Baghdad either melts or fights back... which should commence today.


17 posted on 06/14/2014 2:01:04 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: nikos1121

That kind of behavior on the Iraqi military’s part says to me that they are in collusion with the monsters herein referred to.

What’s even sadder is that this kind of collapse was utterly predictable and predicted.


18 posted on 06/14/2014 2:02:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Aurorales

They are all out there. They make you stomach turn. YOu feel for these poor men, and you cannot help but imagine our own sons and daughters being in the hands of these people.

I understand that we have hundreds of American contractors there. I hate to say this, but maybe it will take a video or two of a handful of them being treated the same way by these cowards with guns to wake us up.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 2:05:21 AM PDT by nikos1121
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Most of our soldiers would fight back. About 20% of civilians would fight back.

But the vision of scared people calmly getting into train cars not too many years ago comes to mind. Remembering this should help us understand that most people meekly accept being murdered by evil.

I don’t know why, but they do.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 2:10:29 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: woofie

Democrats always love to lose a good war and then say they told you so.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 2:10:42 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: nikos1121

Not your fault. It’s the way they live. Islam is hell. Look at Mexico. Druggies here in the US need to get high. They buy their crap from the Cartels off the street here and in turn the Cartels, rape, torture and behead their own kind there. Evil is always around. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, even our own government. You can worry about it, but that’s all you can you do. This world is run by men. Even God has tried to stop it. But he didn’t give up.


22 posted on 06/14/2014 2:11:37 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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I wonder if any Iraqi units are fighting to the death, or better yet, fighting and trying to organize, consolidate and link up?

There must be Captains and Colonels sprinkled through their Army that have a grip on their units.

I saw something that described the enemy as small in numbers, is that true?


23 posted on 06/14/2014 2:12:19 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: nikos1121

Obozo doesn’t care. Another thread details that it was either pure stupidity or treason, allowing, essentially, the Iranians to setup their puppets in Iraq and push us out of the country. It’s the thread that has “backroom deal” in its title.

It’s depressing, but the Democrats are traitors to this country and are going to allow all our efforts since 2003 to be washed away in an instant. All the blood and sacrifice, all the trust, demolished, just like with Vietnam where we also left a hundred thousand people, or more, to die.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 2:15:14 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3167503/posts


25 posted on 06/14/2014 2:20:34 AM PDT by nikos1121
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Yup, that’s the one


26 posted on 06/14/2014 2:22:21 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: nikos1121

You have expressed what many, many of us feel.


27 posted on 06/14/2014 2:24:09 AM PDT by livius
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Because we have a self serving, hypocritical coward for a president.


28 posted on 06/14/2014 2:31:31 AM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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Can you imagine Stonewall Jackson or Custer or Grant or Patton or Nimitz saying that with the enemy in your gun sites?

And then going off for a golfing weekend. Obama makes even Jimmy Carter look like Dwight David Eisenhower.

29 posted on 06/14/2014 2:37:31 AM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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When you can’t protect the families and homes of your officers, you quickly cease to be an effective fighting force. Such is the situation there. They’re going to need to reassemble in defensible areas of single ethnic, tribal, and religious groups, then you’ll see them fighting. Sadr City will stand, so will the Kurdish areas.


30 posted on 06/14/2014 2:42:08 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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What baffles me is, this should be no surprise to anyone over there. If you know that when captured you will die in a cowardly manner, then fight to the death! Never let yourself be tied up or restrained. Take at least one other of the enemy with you, if possible.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 2:44:38 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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Nor will I ever forget that. Yes, I agree—show it, as you say!!


32 posted on 06/14/2014 2:46:18 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: SgtHooper

Never get in a car with people you don’t know, and for sure never let someone tie or handcuff you without a fight.


33 posted on 06/14/2014 2:59:30 AM PDT by nikos1121
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This is just history repeating itself. 40 years ago we left Vietnam and within 5 years somewhere between 3 and 5 million people in southeast Asia were dead because of the Communist surge. But at least the evil White man from America was no longer suppressing the little yellow man in Asia. Hope they realized how lucky they were.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 2:59:49 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Thanks, that was a splash of cold water of good analysis, it is refreshing to hear some military thinking on it.


35 posted on 06/14/2014 3:00:58 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: livius

I see many many familiar names here this morning.


36 posted on 06/14/2014 3:03:03 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Exactly why we cannot engage in these type of wars in the first place. Nation building does not work, and you are just a progressive administration away from disaster.


37 posted on 06/14/2014 3:13:32 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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Your statement is hard to argue with, considering the present reality.


38 posted on 06/14/2014 3:25:45 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
the Democrats are traitors to this country and are going to allow all our efforts since 2003 to be washed away in an instant. All the blood and sacrifice, all the trust, demolished, just like with Vietnam where we also left a hundred thousand people, or more, to die.

I was in Vietnam, so it strikes close to home. I never forgave the rats for that, and it still leaves a foul taste in my mouth. They got away with it then, they will get away with it now, unfortunately. There is pure evil running the government.

39 posted on 06/14/2014 3:50:27 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Jim Noble

Not a single gov. Or their people will trust us again.
Most presidents honored prior comittments and pledges.
One election in america proved we will turn on a dime,


40 posted on 06/14/2014 3:50:56 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HnodredscottIM all things are possible.)
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Don’t worry your time is coming,the leader of ISIS when he was transferred from the prison where we were holding him to the custody of the govt. In Baghdad,he told the commander,who was from the guard group from New York,I will see you in New York.
They are coming,all they have to do is pick up a woman and some kids and come across the southern border,get ready


41 posted on 06/14/2014 3:52:23 AM PDT by ballplayer
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The Iraqis were given plenty of time, training and equipment to defend themselves. They now have chosen to surrender. The consequences are on them. When you refuse to fight the barbarians you end up in pickup truck surrounded by masked guys in a propaganda video or dead on the side of the road. Hopefully it will motivate others to resist more strongly.

I do not lie awake at night worrying about the Iraqis, I worry about the totalitarians at home and how quickly our society and value system has crumbled. I used to think that soviet style repression could never happen in America. That illusion has vanished completely.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 3:52:30 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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It’s a double-edged sword and nobody has the courage to risk the cuts. To stop it would take the courage to wreak true devastation upon those who perpetrate it and with utter disregard to the collateral damage (at least for the first movements). It takes a firm belief in the God who created us to be able to take such actions and then live with yourself afterwards. We lost the trust in God, and the courage to wreak what must be wreaked, sometime between the end off WWII and Korea.


43 posted on 06/14/2014 4:01:22 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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I can’t get the image of the body bags stacked like cord wood in warehouses ... warehoused by the VA and forgotten

it’s one of the few things that will flash boil my blood


44 posted on 06/14/2014 4:05:14 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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How about a reminder of what you are talking about?


45 posted on 06/14/2014 4:08:20 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: nikos1121

you’ve yet to understand that 0bama has been working with our enemies to create a caliphate. he’s hoping to kick start ottoman empire II

(a crowning achievement for any muslim)


46 posted on 06/14/2014 4:09:06 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ballplayer

When he explodes in New York, we will discover later that he was the one person for whom the ObamaCare exchanges worked.


47 posted on 06/14/2014 4:12:53 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: txhurl

Maliki needs to go. Then we’ll be more inclined to do something. We’ve made this clear to them. Maliki is not a poker player. He believed the Shia could handle everything themselves. They still may be able to but if he continues to exlude the Sunnis -which is the problem, he will be facing 2 million ISIS rather than 10,000.

Time is of the essence.


48 posted on 06/14/2014 4:16:10 AM PDT by Justa
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I had the misfortune of watching a video of these monsters dancing on the wounded bodies of men they had tied up, lain face down on the ground and unmercifully machine gunned all while shouting how great their god is and continuing to pump AK 47 fire into their backs.

I will NEVER get that image of savagery out of my head...

49 posted on 06/14/2014 4:20:05 AM PDT by bayliving (Democrat. The word ascribed to those who are intellectually dishonest with themselves.)
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To: bayliving

I saw some pictures that were even worse than that yesterday posted by a friend on FB. I don’t think they were from Iraq, probably Syria. Same animals, though. Just when you think they can’t get any worse, they manage to one-up themselves.


50 posted on 06/14/2014 4:22:25 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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