Posted on 07/22/2014 11:44:48 AM PDT by IChing
Al indicators point to morbid obesity and other grave health issues, criminal lifestyle and activity, plus resistjng arrest. Any further questions?
NYPD Chokes 400-lb Man to Death... for Breaking Up a Fight
That is the headline that came in on my e-mail this morning. I have not yet opened it.
NYPD Chokes 400-lb Man to Death... for Breaking Up a Fight
OK, I opened that e-mail and nothing in it mentions breaking up a fight. I don’t know where that stupid headline originated.
It does mention his 31 prior arrests, though.
It also has him (in video) saying “I can’t breathe”. If you can’t breathe, you can’t talk. He was breathing, but the heart attack in progress was preventing him from processing the oxygen (shortness of breath is one of the symptoms).
As with recognizing the role of a cornerback in a game of football, recognizing the role of a lookout in a narcotics operation has nothing to do with sentiment or one's "heart of hearts."
It simply requires basic knowledge of how the game is played.
The union representative (who probably hasn't seen the inside of an ambulance in years) basically lied to the press and said that the EMTs were supposed to give him oxygen.
They are only required to do that if his breathing is noticeably labored.
They checked his pulse, they saw he was breathing, they put him on the gurney.
They did their job.
But the union rep, Israel Miranda - like all union reps - is a politician first, last and always.
The left is running with this nonsense, it's looking like a lucrative witchhunt, and he'd rather to the popular thing than the right thing.
Oh that's easy.
The guy who took the cellphone video also added his highly intelligent commentary to the video:
"This guy . . . right here . . . be tryna lock somebody up . . . for tryna break up a fight . . . this s*** right here is crazy."
So you can take that one to the bank, obviously.
It also has him (in video) saying “I can’t breathe”. If you can’t breathe, you can’t talk.
This not very controversial fact seems to have taxed the reasoning power of many a FReeper lately.
I live in NYC, and if standing on the street proves you’re involved in drugs, to you, I would guess you have never been here. I don’t know he wasn’t doing it, but you certainly don’t know he was.
And your football analogy is quite poor.
I was born and raised in NYC. I have lived and worked or both in NYC for 40 years. I've certainly spent more time in Tottenville/St. George than you have.
If you think this 350lb guy was just standing on the street in almost 90 degree weather in front of a supermarket for hours because that's how he enjoys spending hsi free time, you not only don't understand NYC, you don't understand human nature.
And your football analogy is quite poor.
Football and narcotics distribution are activities that have basic internal rules understood not only by the players but also by the spectators.
To the ignorant, its just a bunch of guys running around a field for no reason, or just a bunch of guys loitering on the street by themselves in specific spots day in and day out for no reason.
Those who observe, rather than just stare, figure out what is going on.
I’ve lived in NYC longer, but that’s not the point.
The guy had been arrested before for selling cigarettes.
The cops used an illegal chokehold on him.
The victim said he could not breathe.
After he went unconscious, the cops stood around laughing.
The victim is dead.
Your concern is that you believe he may have been a drug lookout. So far, there has been zero proof to something you believe to be factual.
Most importantly, even if he was a drug lookout, he did not deserve what he got. When criminals commit crimes, they should be prosecuted. You believe cops should be treated differently. Why?
I worked for a security company, where management was all retired NYC police officers. Every day they told stories of their time on the force. Some of the stories were of beating up drug dealers, stealing their drugs and cash, and splitting the proceeds among themselves. After telling these types of stories, they would all laugh.
Until cops are bound by the same rules as the rest of us, it’s a joke.
But you “know” what really happened.
Not true.
The video shows clearly there was no chokehold - confirmed both visually and audibly.
After he went unconscious, the cops stood around laughing.
Actually they checked his pulse and sent for EMTs.
The victim is dead.
A guy had a fatal heart attack. There is no "victim."
Most importantly, even if he was a drug lookout, he did not deserve what he got.
He didn't "get" anything.
A morbidly obese middle aged man who had been standing in near 90 degree heat for hours, who was - according to his family - a diabetic asthmatic with high blood pressure had a fatal heart attack.
If he had decided to play a pickup game of basketball or football at that particular moment, and another player had put a hard moving pick on him, or tackled him, and he passed out and died of a heart attack in an ambulance - would the opposing player have "murdered" him?
Would he be a "victim" of a moving pick?
If someone said: "Man, he shouldn't have been playing in this heat given his condition" would the rational response to that correct and completely uncontroversial statement be: "WHAT! Are you saying he deserved to be killed by that opposing player? Are you saying that the penalty for being sloppy in the paint is death!"
This guy decided to get into a physical confrontation - one that turned out to be very brief and not very violent at all, and even then his ticker wasn't up to it. This is a guy who was ready to go the next time he significantly exerted himself. Luckily for the ambulance chasers, he was resisting arrest instead of climbing a set of stairs when it happened.
Some of the stories were of
Ah, thirdhand anecdotal evidence. Should I uncritically accept it? Probably not.
If the stories were true, why would anyone who committed felonies describe them in detail to outsiders? If the NYPD are truly nothing but a "blue Mafia" why would they blatantly violate one of the guiding principles of the Mafia and discuss these things with outsiders?
But you “know” what really happened.
I use logic and observation, rather than getting worked up into an emotional lather.
How many morbidly obese people do you know who spend their time in the summer standing out on the street in direct sun?
When was the last time you decided, just for kicks, to stand around on a hot sidewalk for hours in the middle of the day doing nothing?
By the way, you apparently "know" that the cop used a chokehold, even though you have seen video that demonstrates that he wasn't.
You presume a lot of knowledge that is actually refuted by concrete evidence.
I guess all of the cops I know were lying and all of the scandals through the years involving the rampant corruption in the NYPD have been isolated cases.
Difficult to believe that someone who has lived in NYC for so long doesn’t understand how NYPD functions.
You probably believed all of the cops when they said Abner Louima got hurt having gay sex.
That is one of several possible ways of looking at it.
Of course, it would depend in large part on how loosely one defines "rampant."
Difficult to believe that someone who has lived in NYC for so long doesn’t understand how NYPD functions.
So that's your experience then?
The NYPD is just one large criminal enterprise that doesn't do any actual police work?
This is more hipsterish cynicism than analysis.
The statistics refute your anecdotes.
You probably believed all of the cops when they said Abner Louima got hurt having gay sex.
So when I specifically express skepticism about dubious anecdotes, you think what I really mean is that I unthinkingly buy into dubious anecdotes?
As it turns out, both Justin Volpe and Abner Louima were lying about the events of that day.
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