Posted on 01/29/2015 11:00:31 AM PST by Reverend Saltine
Blows My Mind !
Stanley Kubrick was way ahead of his time.
For a very long time, like most people, I did not really understand his movies like 2001 Space Odyssey (meaning the ending), A Clock Work Orange, Eyes Wide Shut and Apocalypse Now. I mean I understood it the way most Americans and not the deeper meaning.
However, I view his films as genius today.
Not by a longshot. A single human cell is so complex that the brightest scientists have only a rudimentary knowledge of how it works.
“Hal is a machine. Hal is programmed (or misprogrammed) to block the mission, to destroy it, to destroy Bowman, who as it turns out, is on a voyage to greater consciousness.”
No, Hal wasn’t programmed to sabotage the mission. He was programmed to ensure the completion of the mission, at any cost. In fact, he was the only one on the ship that knew all the details of the mission, because the flight crew was not trusted with the most classified information. He decided, based on his logic and programming, that the humans must be unreliable and a threat to the completion of the mission. So, he did what seemed to him to be the logical thing and tried to eliminate the threat.
And therein lies the problem with AI.
That doesn't mean that it isn't an extremely useful literary tool for examining what it means to be human.
Consider the differing treatment of Machine Intelligence in:
Isaac Asimov's I, Robot, et. al.,
Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? aka Blade Runner,
Frank Herbert's Dune,
Robert Heinlein's The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress,
the Japanese Manga series Ghost in the Shell, etc.
The meaning of machine sentience is a significant part of the SF novel I am finishing up.
"Ceterum censeo 0bama esse delendam."
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i agree
"Since HAL was capable of operating Discovery without human assistance, it was decided that he should be programmed to complete the mission autonomously in the event the crew was incapacitated or killed.
He was given full knowledge of the true objective... and instructed not to reveal anything to Bowman or Poole. He was instructed to lie.
HAL was told to lie - by people who find it easy to lie. HAL doesn't know how, so he couldn't function. He became paranoid."
“he 10 Most Insane Direction Decisions by Stanley Kubrick”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyt6aFI_sfA
Finally, someone who is not afraid to say what I think.
So what happens when you have multiple large neural networks all interconnected? What will it do?
...nobody knows. We just know neural networks learn, we just can’t follow the complexity.
This is separate than having a soul but I’m not sure that being self-aware is impossible.
Handle it? It's practically a comedy.
All we have are people handwaving their little tales, like the one the above.
Exactly to the point of logic. Logical or rational arguments do not work when significant parts of the argument are undefined.
Consciousness is undefined. After that is understood, talking about what it isn’t, saying what it is not using logic is counterproductive. Alan Watts used to talk about what consciousness seems to be, but shining the light back on a flashlight to see how the flashlight illuminates does not yield rational results. It yields “other results”.
The same question is “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”
DK
The same question is “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”
Maybe the question should be, do the angels know they
are dancing on the head of a pin, and would it make
any difference to them?
I believe that was Francis Ford Coppola.
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