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greenfield: Good Islam and Bad Islam
The Sultan Knish blog ^ | Monday, February 15, 2016 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/16/2016 11:20:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

Monday, February 15, 2016

Good Islam and Bad Islam

Posted by Daniel Greenfield

Our only hope of defeating Islamic terrorism is Islam. That’s our whole counterterrorism strategy.

But Islamic terrorism is not a separate component of Islam that can be cut off from it. Not only is it not un-Islamic, but it expresses Islamic religious imperatives. Muslim religious leaders have occasionally issued fatwas against terrorism, but terrorism for Muslim clerics, like sex for Bill Clinton, is a matter of definition. The tactics of terrorism, including suicide bombing and the murder of civilians, have been approved by fatwas from many of the same Islamic religious leaders that our establishment deems moderate. And the objective of terrorism, the subjugation of non-Muslims, has been the most fundamental Islamic imperative for the expansionistic religion since the days of Mohammed.

Our strategy, in Europe and America, under Bush and under Obama, has been to artificially subdivide a Good Islam from a Bad Islam and to declare that Bad Islam is not really Islam. Bad Islam, as Obama claims, “hijacked” a peaceful religion. Secretary of State Kerry calls Bad Islam’s followers, “apostates”. ISIS speaks for no religion. It has no religion. Which means the Islamic State must be a bunch of atheists.

Our diplomats and politicians don’t verbally acknowledge the existence of a Bad Islam. Even its name is one of those names that must not be named. There is only Good Islam. Bad Islam doesn’t even exist.

This isn’t just domestic spin, which it is, but it’s also an attempt at constructing an Islamic narrative. Our leaders don’t care what we think. They just want us to keep quiet and not offend Muslims. They do care a great deal about what Muslims think. And so, in their own clumsy way, they try to talk like Muslims.

They are attempting to participate in an Islamic debate without the requisite theological credentials. They want to tell Muslims that they should be Good Muslims not Bad Muslims, but they’re too afraid to use those words, so instead they substitute Good Muslims and Not Muslims. All Muslims are Good Muslims and Bad Muslims are Not Muslims is their Takfiri version of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Our counterterrorism strategy has been constructed to convince Good Islam to have nothing to do with Bad Islam. And any of us who criticize Good Islam or argue that the artificial distinction between Good Islam and Bad Islam, between Saudi Arabia and ISIS, between Iran and Hezbollah, between Pakistan and the Taliban, is false are accused of provoking Good Islam to transform into Bad Islam.

Nothing so thoroughly proves that the difference between Bad Islam and Good Islam is a lie as the compulsive way that they warn that Good Muslims are capable of turning into Bad Muslims at any moment. Offend a Good Muslim, criticize his religion, fail to integrate him, accommodate his every whim and censor what he dislikes and he’ll join ISIS and then he’ll become a Bad Muslim.

After every terror attack, the media painstakingly constructs a narrative to determine why former moderates like Anwar Al-Awlaki, the Tsarnaevs or the San Bernardino killers turned bad without resorting to religious explanations. Their efforts at rationalization quickly become ridiculous; Nidal Hasan, the Fort Hood killer, contracted airborne PTSD, Anwar Al-Awlaki, the head of Al Qaeda in Yemen, became an “extremist” because he was afraid the FBI had found out about his prostitutes and the Times Square bomber turned into a terrorist because his “American Dream” was ruined.

Nobody, they conclude, becomes an Islamic terrorist because of Islam. Instead there are a thousand unrelated issues, having nothing to do with Islam, which creates the Muslim terrorist. Even the term “Radical Islamic Jihadist”, an absurd circumlocution (is there a moderate Islamic Jihadist), has become a badge of courage on one side and a dangerous, irresponsible term that provokes violence on the other.

But what is the distinction between Good Islam and Bad Islam? It isn’t fighting ISIS. Al Qaeda and the Taliban do that. It isn’t terrorism. Our Muslim allies, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey and Qatar, are hip deep in the terror trade. It isn’t equality for non-Muslims. No Muslim country under Sharia law could have that. Equality for women? See above.

What are the metrics that distinguish Good Islam and Bad Islam? There aren’t any. We can’t discuss the existence of Bad Islam because it would reveal that Bad Islam and Good Islam are really the same thing.

Our Good Islam allies in Pakistan fight Bad Islam’s terror, when they aren’t hiding Osama bin Laden. Bad Islam in the Islamic State beheads people and takes slaves and Good Islam in Saudi Arabia does too. Qatar is our Good Islam ally helping us fight Bad Islam terrorists by arming and funding Good Islam terrorists who sometimes turn out to be Bad Islam terrorists so we can’t figure out if the Islamic terrorists the CIA is routing weapons to are Good Islam terrorists or Bad Islam terrorists.

The moderate Muslim Brotherhood wins democratic elections. The extremist Muslim Brotherhood then burns down churches. The moderate Palestinian Authority negotiates with Israel and then the extremist Palestinian Authority cheers the stabbing of a Jewish grandmother. The moderate Iranian government signs a nuclear deal and then the extremist Iranian government calls for “Death to America”.

Like the saintly Dr. Jekyll and the mean Mr. Hyde, Good Islam and Bad Islam are two halves of the same coin. When Dr. Jekyll wanted to act out his baser nature, he took a potion and turned into Mr. Hyde. But the nasty urges were always a part of him. When a moderate Muslim pulls a Keffiyah over his face and starts stabbing, bombing or beheading, he doesn’t become an extremist, he just expresses his dark side.

Good Islam borrowed all sorts of noble sentiments from Judaism and Christianity. But when non-Muslims didn’t accept Islam, then Mohammed stopped playing nice and preached murder. Bad Islam is not something ISIS invented on a website. It’s always been a part of Islam. We attempt to separate Good Islam and Bad Islam because we don’t like being beheaded. But Muslims don’t make that distinction.

Our counterterrorism strategy is based on empowering Good Islam, on building coalitions with Muslims to fight terrorism and enlisting their cooperation in the War on Terror. But we’re trying to convince Dr. Jekyll to help us fight Mr. Hyde. And Dr. Jekyll might even help us out, until he turns into Mr. Hyde.

Our moderate Afghan Muslim allies, when they’re aren’t raping young boys (one of their cultural peculiarities we are taught to ignore), sometimes unexpectedly open fire on our soldiers. The Muslim migrants who arrive here to “enrich” our societies sometimes start shooting and bombing. The head of Al Qaeda was hanging out near the West Point of Pakistan. The mastermind of 9/11 was saved by a member of the Qatari royal family. The call is coming from inside the house. Mr. Hyde is Dr. Jekyll.

When we “empower” and “build coalitions” with Good Islam, we’re also empowering and building coalitions with Bad Islam. Just ask all the Muslim terrorists running around with our weapons.

Our leaders want Good Islam to shield us from Bad Islam. If Good Islam is out front, then Muslims won’t see a clash of civilizations or a religious war, but a war between Good Islam and Bad Islam. But the Muslim understanding of Good Islam and Bad Islam is very different from our own.

Sunnis see their Jihadis as Good Islam and Shiites as Bad Islam. Shiites look at it the other way around. The Muslim Brotherhood, that our elites were so enamored with, saw secular governments as Bad Islam. To win them over, we helped them overthrow more secular governments because our leaders had adopted an understanding of Good Islam in which giving Christians civil rights was Bad Islam.

To win over Good Islam, we censor cartoons of Mohammed and criticism of the Koran, open our borders, Islamize our institutions and then wait to see if we’re on the good side of Good Islam. We adapt our societies and legal systems to Islamic norms and hope that it’s enough to let us join the Good Islam Coalition. If we go on at this rate, the experts will tell us that the only way to defeat Islamic terrorism is for us to become Muslims. Only then will we become members in good standing of Good Islam.

There is no Good Islam and no Bad Islam, as Muslim leaders occasionally trouble to tell us. The distinction that our leaders make between Good Islam and Bad Islam is not theological, but pragmatic. They dub whatever is shooting at us right now Bad Islam and assume that everything else must be Good Islam. That is the fallacy which they used to arrive at their Tiny Minority of Extremists formula.

There is no Tiny Minority of Extremists. Behind the various tiny minorities of extremists are countries and billionaires, global organizations and Islamic banks. Outsourcing our counterterrorism strategy to the countries and ideologies behind the terrorists we’re fighting isn’t a plan, it’s a death wish.

Islamic terrorism is just what we call Islam when it’s killing us.

The Jihad isn’t coming from some phantom website. It’s coming from our Muslim allies. It’s coming from Pakistan, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. It’s coming from the Muslim Brotherhood and its front groups. It’s coming from the moderate Muslim leaders that our leaders pose with at anti-extremism conferences. And it’s coming from the mosques and homes of the Muslims living in America. There is no Good Islam. There is no Bad Islam. There is just Islam.


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1 posted on 02/16/2016 11:20:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell
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2 posted on 02/16/2016 11:21:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Stop Islam and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Good islam: the kind where the founder didn’t rape little girls.

Bad islam: the kind where the founder DID rape little girls.


3 posted on 02/16/2016 11:21:55 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Marco "Stepford" Rubio.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

4 posted on 02/16/2016 11:22:48 AM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Any cult that can get grown men to hoist their butts in the air and bang their heads on the ground five times a day is just plain bad. I used to think islam was stupid, but it’s the people that follow it that are stupid.


5 posted on 02/16/2016 11:36:28 AM PST by soycd
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To: Louis Foxwell

What Every America Needs to Know About the Quran]
American Historian William Federer explains the progression of Islam dominance through a short presentation with charts.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?314071-10/book-discussion-every-american-needs-know-quran&buy=&start=12


6 posted on 02/16/2016 11:39:42 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. - Psalm 33:12)
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To: Uncle Miltie
It has been 16 years since I began to pay attention to Islam. They have been nothing but murderous, blood-thirsty, brutal pretenders to a religion they believe they have the right to propagate by the sword.

Please tell me one contribution they have made, ONE.

7 posted on 02/16/2016 11:45:17 AM PST by Rapscallion (You are correct. It IS a conspiracy, not a bad dream.)
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To: Rapscallion

muslims couldn’t build a transistor radio without western technology.

muslims are useless to themselves and the rest of humanity.


8 posted on 02/16/2016 11:46:07 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Marco "Stepford" Rubio.)
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To: Rapscallion

Islam made itself known on 9/11.


9 posted on 02/16/2016 11:49:55 AM PST by Texas resident (The democrat party will destroy our country and they think they won't be affected.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Islam is a CULT that involves mass hypnosis and manipulation of the Jim Jones kind. Islam is threats, violence, torture, and death. Islam breeds HATE.


10 posted on 02/16/2016 11:57:54 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing (u)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Good islime = tooth fairy, Peter Pan, the Golden Fleece. I.e., myth.
Bad islime = islime.
11 posted on 02/16/2016 12:20:51 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Louis Foxwell

These observations cannot be made often enough. There is no accurate method by which moderate and radical Muslims can be distinguished from each other at any given point in time, not to mention the plasticity that allows adherents to move readily from one of these positions to the other. The picture is further complicated by the approved use of duplicity within Islam when dealing with unbelievers. Our leaders currently emphasize the need to minimize false positives (falsely identifying moderate Muslims as radicals) rather than dangers of false negatives (falsely identifying radical Muslims as moderates). The resulting harm to nonMuslims is dismissed as the cost of adhering to “our values” and being “who we are” as a people. Our country could not have won WWII with our current crop of passive, spineless leaders (some of whom are, in truth, probably quislings). FDR and Truman would be sent to The Hague as international war criminals in today’s politically correct climate. Much of the attraction of Donald Trump, even though not philosophically a “pure” conservative, is an aggressive stance which allows him to acknowledge that it is in our interest to assume, as a rebuttable presumption, that we are dealing with “bad” Islam. This would and should place the burden on all Muslims to show that they are of the “good” variety instead of requiring us to prove affirmatively which ones are a threat—often after it’s too late and they have already acted to harm our people.


12 posted on 02/16/2016 12:30:12 PM PST by FJB
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To: Louis Foxwell
Thank you Daniel Greenfield for that.

"THERE'S ONLY ISLAM".

IMO there's no "good Islam". It doesn't exist. Any alleged religion created from the mind of a psychopath isn't a religion.

Were Mohammed alive today he'd be employed creating computer games.

13 posted on 02/16/2016 12:46:10 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Steely Tom

I choose the right hand one.


14 posted on 02/16/2016 12:53:16 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Louis Foxwell

Which is exactly why we should not be supporting one brand of Islam vs a different brand of Islam ... which is what we have been doing.

It’s idiotic at best ... causes even more death at worst ... of our own people. Not that there wouldn’t be plenty of death and destruction anyway, but there would be LESS of it on our side if we would just leave Muslims alone to fight out their battles alone.

There is no good reason why our young people should die supporting Brand X Islam over Brand Y Islam.


15 posted on 02/16/2016 1:47:17 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: soycd
I used to think islam was stupid, but it's the people that follow it that are stupid

Islam appeals to the most stupid and violent of males. Women are nothing more than slaves or sex toys. Infidels can be lied to or murdered with the okay of the imams who say the Koran allows it.

16 posted on 02/16/2016 4:25:12 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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The light will shine on the enablers of the plague of islamic males eventually ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKVVEE5iGzA&list=PLSB0jSULuB7MVqN8ZjwP1IHPWxBgtAkzj&index=258


17 posted on 02/16/2016 4:30:31 PM PST by soycd
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To: Louis Foxwell

Time for removal of excess intellectualism and to define the core realities regarding Islam and Muslims:

1. Good Islam = extirpated Islam.

2. Good Muslim = dead Muslim.

Not once has a dead Muslim gone ‘full jihaddi’.


18 posted on 02/17/2016 8:27:54 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
Islam is a CULT that involves mass hypnosis and manipulation of the Jim Jones kind.
There's also important commonalities between islam and scientology. They both are extremely intolerant of criticism and ridicule. Scientology reacts with threats of litigation, islam reacts with violnece. They are extremely intolerant of apostacy. Scientology reacts with harrassment and character assassination, as ex-scieno Leah Remini learned the hard way. Islam reacts with violence, as untold millions learned the hard way. They both need to disguise themselves as religions in order to conceal their true agendas. Scientology, in the guise of a religion, is nothing more than an elaborate scam devised by L Ron Hubbard, a 4th-rate sci fi writer and low level con artist whose primary objective was to separate the rich and famous from as much of their $$$ as possible. Islam, in the guise of a religion is an absolutist, tyrannical, intolerant, racist , misogynist political/social order devised by mohammed, a hashish abusing child molester whose primary objective was to rule the world by any means necessary.
19 posted on 02/17/2016 8:36:55 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

IMHO, all Islam is bad. It is completely contrary to personal freedom and the Constitution of the United States. Islam means “submission.” In Islam there can be no Liberty.
There is no intrinsic right to be free either in Islam, quite the contrary,, the only free will a human has in Islam is a freedom to submit , which is no free will at all.To be human one must have free will and be able to exercise that free will.

In America no man submits to another. We are all equal before the law. We will never submit as freemen and free women. So we will fight Islam, down and dirty , to the bitter end. All of the leftist /liberal musings about being kind to our fellows is just pure bunk. Muslims are not men or women who deserve our compassion,they are not our fellows, they are Troglodytes bent on the destruction of America and her personal freedoms and liberties.Indeed they decry freedom, and run from it. They do not have the ability to be free men or free women. Until Muslims gain the capacity to be free, they are hardly even minimally human.

Free men and free women everywhere will fight Islam until it is destroyed or banished back to the hell hole from which it has issued and we will seal that nefarious aperture forever.

That’s just the way it is.


20 posted on 02/17/2016 5:40:37 PM PST by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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