Posted on 08/09/2016 6:12:30 AM PDT by mainestategop
This is a strange, rambling article. And the above statement is just wrong. And the author doesn't know anything about Amy Chua's philosophy. If anything, Chua would say BECAUSE the schools are failing, you must take responsibility for making sure your children are educated and motivated to learn.
By threatening to sell her daughters doll house if she didn’t get a song on the piano done right or threatening to chuck out the sony playstation because someone got a B or an a- instead of an a+. Yeah that’ll work.
This is a long, rambling article that doesn’t say much really.
“Yeah that’ll work.”
But it often DOES WORK. It works all over Asia, for instance.
that’s stupid
It assumes a child has the capability to understand such complex punishment
Children only understand IMMEDIATE consequences. Run into the street, and you gt a whack on the ass. They do not understand the complexitys of vehicle mass and velocity and its effects on a 40 pound child.
But what woud the parents do if she did NOT play the song correctly? selling her doll house a week later and going “see?” is a stupid punishment and probably does more damage than good.
‘In communism its even worse. People are viewed as commodities, assets that are expendable’
IIRC, Kathleen Sebelius referred to the American people as ‘Human Capital’. We are just commodities and assets to be used for the Government’s ends. I worked in a medical lab that referred to we, the employees, as ‘Human Capital’. I left as soon as I could.
Why does Asia have such a high rate of mental illness and suicide then? I know people who lived under that looming fear as children. Not all of them became successful. Even those that did spent their lives like they’re walking on egg shells about to explode.
As a kid, my parents wanted A's. And, if I got A's, they wanted them to stay A's.
WBill Jr has the same expectation from me. I don't see a thing wrong with it.
Only thing that I've added, is that if "A's" aren't happening, then I start asking what needs to change to make them happen. (Mom and Dad made me figure it out on my own....) I'm willing to help - for instance, during a tough time in school a couple of years ago, he asked that I get him there a little earlier in the morning, that extra 10-15 minutes to get his stuff together would be a huge help.
Done, and problems resolved.
Not great writing. Not sure about the premise either. Collectivism tends to promote the incompetent up the authority ladder. It is free Asian countries like Japan, S Korea, Singapore who drive their children hard to achieve.
Do you have a citation?
The thrust of your argument has two parts, both false:
1) People everywhere are basically the same. They are not. Whether this is genetic, environmental, or both remains to be seen. Europeans have the desire, and the ability, to exhibit mercy, which extends to child-rearing practices. East Asians have great difficulty with this.
2) Education is something that is given to you, or done to you, like a shot of penicillin or an operation. It is not. It is something you do. African children with very low IQs become educated simply by attending school in a Quonset hut with a few books. Public schools are spiritually devastating, which is why they should be abolished, but they possess sufficient resources that any child capable of education will easily become educated there.
One of my Latin students told me he never even played with a game console that he got for Christmas. “She only gave it to me so she could take it away later,” he said.
as a kid, my parents had no expectations of me, as i was a dreaded female child.
I was (am!) pretty smart too, but we were never encouraged.
Just as an aside, they were old school Europeans.
Maybe if we had been boys it would have been different.
Yes. You’re right. I read the whole thing hoping it would get to the point. It’s terribly written.
Culturally, there is almost zero difference between those countries and China today. Communism hasn't even made a dent in Confucianism, from whence the Tiger Mom ethos stems.
There is in fact a good and relevant recent Chinese TV drama called "Tiger Mom", starring actress Zhao Wei and set in Beijing. It's available on Dramafever.com, for those who subscribe to it. The show lays out all the pressures on the Chinese "one child" family with humor and surprising honesty, from giving up their luxurious house in the suburbs to move to an ugly apartment so they can send their daughter to a in a top-ranked school, to dealing with the old Communist grandfather, a former school superintendent with Tiger Mom-style ideas on education, to seeing Zhao Wei's character transform from a loving and sympathetic mother to a slave driving tyrant, desperate to force her daughter as far up the education ladder as possible. Well worth watching, and a good picture of life in modern Beijing, where they have a lot of the same public education troubles we face in the US (i.e., good schools are great - bad ones are less than worthless).
While learning disabilities may be poorly defined and overly employed as an excuse for results with different causes, they do exist. As an example, dyslexia is very real.
A lot of what the chinamen call parenting truly is abuse, and creates yet more messed up chinamen.
“Why does Asia have such a high rate of mental illness and suicide then?”
I have no reason to believe their rate of mental illness is any higher than ours. Go into almost any modern college classroom and you’ll be SHOCKED at how many of the girls in that room are on anti-depressants. If their suicide rate is higher than it is for cultural reasons (i.e., there is no powerful religious underpinnings to their society opposed to suicide. Suicide is even viewed as virtuous in some cases).
“I know people who lived under that looming fear as children. Not all of them became successful.”
And how many who are not pushed as children become successful? Seriously, you don’t seem to grasp the obvious. Of course not every kid who is pushed becomes successful, but I bet the rate of success is lower among those kids who are not pushed. So what’s you’re point?
“Even those that did spent their lives like they’re walking on egg shells about to explode.”
And those who don’t succeed often spend their lives wondering why they didn’t succeed. Again, so what?
And it doesn’t hurt that Zhao Wei is pretty good looking too. But those eyes apparently will drive weaker men to court: http://tinyurl.com/zfyveoc
Mr. Ball said, “My wife and I looked at each other, I wanted to go over and tell this person...” But of course he did not go over or say anything to him.
We visited Bristol to see the “Birthplace of Country Music Museum” last week (and loved it!) In line at the grocery store later, we saw a man pop his son on the rear and say, “Enough!” An elderly woman right there, who thought she knew what was going on, said, “Don’t spank him for that!” Everyone, about a dozen people, stopped what they were doing in both check lines and glared at her; the father said nothing. She looked around and started back tracking, “I just meant don’t spank him for THAT. He wasn’t hurting my cart. Uh...” People were still silent and glaring. She said, “I know that children sometimes need to be spanked! ...uhh...” Then turning to the father she politely said, “I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have tried to interfere.” Immediately everything returned to normal.
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