Rendell: Trump's $1T infrastructure proposal isn't enough

The Hill ^ | March 12, 2017 | Mallory Shelbourne

[2ndDivisionVet]

Former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) says President Trump deserves credit for wanting to invest in infrastructure, but argues the president's call for $1 trillion in spending isn't enough to improve America’s roads, airports and bridges.

“Give Donald Trump some credit. He wants to do a very broad and very ambitious infrastructure revitalization program,” Rendell said in an interview with John Catsimatidis broadcast Sunday on 970 AM in New York.

“The question is, can Democrats get together and shape that infrastructure program in a way that will work, and will there be sufficient federal investment?”

Rendell said the $1 trillion plan that Trump has called for is not enough, citing figures proposed by the American Society of Civil Engineers.

He argued that a successful infrastructure plan requires a “$2 trillion additional investment on top of what we plan to spend now in the next 10 years."

Rendell said he agreed with Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) message that Democrats should work with the president when possible.

Schumer in January urged Trump to work with Democrats on an infrastructure plan, arguing that doing so could help generate millions of jobs.

“When we disagree with Donald Trump’s decisions, we should fight like heck,” Rendell said.

“But when the president is right about something or moving in the right direction, we’ve got to work with him to try to get things done in this country,” he added. “Because, look, we can’t put all of our challenges on hold for four years. That doesn’t work.”

[dp0622]

IT REQUIRES 3,484,283,490,307,203 TRILLION DOLLARS TO DO IT RIGHT!!!!!

It’s just money.

[The Duke]

To quote my dear, daparted Grandfathef ... “Can’t never could do nothing”.

[MGG]

It’s never enough for a Liberal......

[TigersEye]

I would hire Donald Trump to entirely remodel my house and go on vacation until he called and said the job was done.

If Ed Rendell even set foot on my property I would chase him off with a 12 gauge in my hands.

[DannyTN]

In Trump’s congressional speech he talked about the infrastructure spending being part federal and part private capital matching. If $1 trillion is federal and there is private funds being spent as well, then it may already be a $2 Trillion plan.

But Trump’s plan well actually be used on infrastructure, unlike Obama’s that paid off bundlers and grew government bureacracy. Also, I think Trump’s will be a one time deal. They won’t build it into the budget the way they did Obama’s so it’s repeating.

[Mouton]

Coincidentally ! The walpo ran an article citing the same group of civin engineers. Of course the article says we chinced out over 15 years bringing in the bush years while not mentioning the trillion wasted by Obama.

The resistance conspiracy continues.

[rlmorel]

Love your post. How true that is!

[Vaduz]

First warning
Urged Trump to work with Democrats on an infrastructure plan.

[RJS1950]

Just force a tax on all of the democrat governors and supporting entities including unions who took the “shovel ready” money from the Kenyan to recover some of the trillion plus dollars they pocketed.

Squeeze the life out of these thieving douchebags.

[Steely Tom]

Freeper "marron" had a brilliant answer to this headline:

"You will never outpromise a Democrat."

Source.

[SaxxonWoods]

If we need to spend so much, where have you Democrats been the last 8 years?

How about if we see what we get for $1 trillion and then decide?

[TigersEye]

Enormous amounts were budgeted for infrastructure during the Clinton administration. Enormous amounts were budgeted during the Bush administration. Astronomically enormous amounts were budgeted during the 0doofus administration. And today everyone, right, left and in between, agrees that our infrastructure is “crumbling.”

(I would love to see a grand total for all three of those administrations as well as the individual breakdown.)

At any rate, to take Fast Eddy’s challenge at face value, if Trump isn’t jumping in with both feet trying to fix the entire project with a one-bid one-phase approach then I think I’ll trust this exceptionally successful developer’s recommendation. Maybe he’d like to see how things go for the first trillion buck’s worth of work before committing to it all?

Just a thought.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Democrats only comprehend boondoggle infrastructure deals, such as the Big Dig and Jerry Brown’s super train. They assume that 80-90% will be grafted off to various crony friends, unions and allies, so they wildly overestimate costs and time.

Republicans, on the other hand, want projects built on time, and hopefully under budget. They do not pay bribes or graft off the money and jobs. Which utterly perplexes Democrats.

[Malone LaVeigh]

He’s right, that first $T will barely cover the kickbacks to the unions and crony capitalists.

[faithhopecharity]

go recapture the $7 TRILLION that Obama and his fellow Islamonazi DNC type crooks stole from us ‘for infrastructure’

the ‘infrastructure shovel0-ready jobs’ that even Obama himself was forced to later admit...did not exist, did not happen

find that stolen $7 TRILLION and then you can use some of it for real infrastructure as might actually benefit USA and our economy

and refund the rest of it to the taxpayers (while you are shutting down the federal income tax ripoff machine)

[wastedyears]

Because there’s not enough for unions.

[rlmorel]

Nothing makes my blood boil more than The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

Nearly a trillion dollars where it shouldn’t have gone. I did an analysis of where some of that money went in my state (posted it a few times here on FR) and it makes me angry even to post it.

[rlmorel]

You may have seen this before, if so, I apologize. This is what I posted back then. It should serve as a cautionary tale for those who make large sums of money available for the asking. Instead of fixing bridges, roads, DAMS, etc, it was used to buy Dodge Challengers for police departments and, as described below, healthcare for teacher's unions.

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Sudbury, Massachusetts is near where I live, it is one of the wealthiest communities in the state, and is located some twenty miles due west of Boston. In Sudbury, there was an old, abandoned Army base that had been closed up for years, and sometime in the last ten years or so, it was opened to the public to be able to walk through. It was great.

Not many people knew about it or knew it was open, and one could walk on dilapidated old crumbling roads through the woods, punctuated by an occasional boarded up decaying building. Most interestingly, there are a series of huge concrete munitions bunkers with evidence of railroad (possibly small gage) that serviced the bunkers, and on a few of them, you could get inside to find old, empty metal desks, light fixtures in the overhead with old fashioned incandescent bulbs in them.

To anyone who has ever lived on military installations, it has that general air of decay you know you could sniff out in the remote accesses even on some large active bases. As someone who grew up as a military brat and spent many hours exploring such ignored areas, that type of thing has always had a kind of charm for me. Anyway, it was great, and always deserted. Just about two years ago, I began to see evidence of activity...backhoes, roads being paved and such. It was a real disappointment, and I stopped going there for a while. Then, last winter, my wife and I went for a wintertime snow walk there, and came across this facility:

Now, just seeing that sign makes my blood pressure go up, but as I looked over the facility, I got angrier and angrier.

There was apparently no expense spared to build this facility, everything built of the highest quality materials, I do believe there were solar electricity panels on the roof (not sure though) but it didn't look like they skimped on anything. As I looked through the windows of the closed facility, I think I even saw Herman Miller chairs in what looked like an office. Bottom line, I see this, and figure they probably spent at LEAST a million or two on this facility, probably more, and now have it staffed with a park ranger or two. All this money WE DON'T HAVE for one or two government employee FTE's. Don't get me wrong, I like parks and such. BUT YOU DON'T SPEND MONEY YOU HAVE TO BORROW TO BUILD THEM! If times are prosperous, just maybe you can do it, but when we have a debt burden of $500,000 per household in this country, it is INSANITY to spend money on this type of thing.

So I decided to try to find out just how much of the "stimulus" was spent on this boondoggle. There is a website in Massachusetts to monitor the distribution of the stimulus funds at Massachusetts Recovery Website (although it now unsurprisingly gives you a "404 Not Found" as an an attempt to live up to the Obama administration's promise of "transparency".

On the site, you can dig around in a variety of ways to see data, one way to slice it is by project, another shows funds by zip code. Unfortunately, they make it so you cannot download all the funds for all Massachusetts zip codes, but at least you can download data for a given zip code for a given fiscal quarter. Now, I never did find out how much was spent on that facility. But what I did find out was interesting.

I downloaded the data for 01776 (oh, the IRONY at that zip code) in successive passes for each fiscal quarter and got them all into an Excel spreadsheet. Once there, I used a pivot table to slice the data in a variety of ways. The column on the left is a general category, and the categories from left to right are subcategories of that. I specified that I only wanted to see the top four, and specifically excluded the Police and Firefighter components, but since the total money awarded was $25.2 million and this table shows an expenditure of $23.13 million, that means all other expenditures for this community that I didn't show totaled just over two million dollars. So my table below shows the lion's share.

(I only showed money awarded, not money used, but gee whiz, is anyone concerned they would get awarded the money and not use it? I'm not...)

As I went through the data, I kept seeing an entry for Minuteman Nashoba Heath, and it was a large chunk twice a year. Doing a search on the Internet showed this website: Minuteman Nashoba Health Group. They describe themselves as such:

"The Minuteman Nashoba Health Group (MNHG) is a coalition of Massachusetts towns and school districts that have joined together to purchase health benefits for their employees, retirees, and their eligible dependents. Joint purchasing of health benefits gives the participating governmental employers purchasing clout to help keep costs under control. The MNHG has been operational since 1990 and has added several towns to its membership in the last several years." I don't know what the cost for healthcare is for teachers in that town, but it looks from a couple of things I have seen that teachers might contribute between 20-30% of their own money towards their premium. Bottom line, you folks down in Texas, all you Freepers in California, even you Sooners out in Oklahoma, your tax dollars are all paying for the health care of unionized Massachusetts teachers.

I am not choosing Sudbury, MA for analysis because of some perceived corruption. I don't believe it is any more or less corrupt than any other community in this country. It just happened to be the community I was looking at to find out about something else, and this fell out of it. I fully expect that if I were to do this analysis on my town (which I will do) or any other locality in this state or throughout the country, we might find similar activity. What is unspeakable in my opinion is the fact that we took hundreds of billions of dollars we didn't have, and opened the coffers for every community around the nation to dip their hands into. To me, this is the equivalent of a family that cannot meet their mortgage (or their second and third concurrent and outstanding Home Equity Loan) pay their car insurance or keep up with any of the other bills they have incurred, taking out a fourth home equity loan, withdrawing it in cash and distributing it throughout the family. "Hey everyone, I'm going to buy a new boat, Mom is going to get a sports car, you kids can take the rest of this and spend it on whatever you wish! Computers, video games, clothes, whatever you want! You don't have to tell me precisely what you are doing with it (and even if you do tell me, I'll just wink and approve!) and you won't have to pay any of it back! This is FREE MONEY, and we are going to have a great time with it!" We have heard people say the whole stimulus bill is a scam. From day one, I have believed it. We have heard many say that this stimulus was supposed to provide "shovel ready jobs" that would stimulate the economy, but from looking at the expenditures, it is clear that, in one of the single, wealthiest communities in Massachusetts, 25 million dollars of stimulus money was spent, and the vast majority of it appears to be spent not on "shovel ready jobs" (whatever the HELL that means) but instead for paying for unemployment benefits, benefits for teachers and other "unspecified" educational costs (that detail could not be teased out of the spreadsheet, since it is not broken down that way). Spending the money on unemployment benefits may or may not be the best use for that money, but I think there should have at least been a dialogue about the wisdom of using it. It might indeed be the best use of our taxpayer money, but nobody got to even discuss it. It was just used to pay for these things...AND THOSE USES WERE NOT WHAT THE "STIMULUS" WAS SOLD AS. Brain dead liberals think that pumping borrowed/printed money back into the hands of the unemployed so it can be used to pay bills actually STIMULATES an economy. (Ask Nancy Pelosi...SHE thinks it does, and has said so.) It doesn't, but people who believe in socialism think it does. And socialists are running the show now.

Many of us recognize that the stimulus was a bill of goods, being used primarily by many communities to cover shortfalls, and who could blame those communities for doing so. But the unimpeachable idiocy of declaring that this money was going to stimulate anything is apparent, and it is yet another instance of the dishonesty of the liberals (and so-called "conservatives") who not only supported this expenditure the first time around, but are now pushing for more money WE DON'T HAVE to be thrown down the rat-hole.

And I do mean "Rat-Hole".

And it is a UNION Rathole. Using MY money to pay for it.

[Vendome]

$1 trillion seemed right and enough under Obama and now it’s become part of baseline budgeting...