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A basic income really could end poverty forever
Vox ^ | July 17, 2017 | Dylan Matthews

Posted on 07/17/2017 9:00:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Universal Basic Income = War On Poverty on steroids

Redistribution of wealth from rich to poor, whether it is from affluent people to poor people, or 1st World countries to 3rd World countries as the Paris Climate Accord would have done, has not and never will work.

Send more untold billions and they will still be 3rd World Hell-holes.

All my nearly 70 years on earth I have heard about how 3rd World countries need my money. Charities have sent countless billions to those countries and they are still 3rd World Hell-holes.

Try Universal Bear Food where all bears get a guaranteed food ration and see how that works at making them more independent.


61 posted on 07/18/2017 4:13:17 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: N. Theknow
...All my nearly 70 years on earth I have heard about how 3rd World countries need my money. Charities have sent countless billions to those countries and they are still 3rd World Hell-holes....

Funny that we never sent massive aid to sub-Saharan Africa while colonial powers ruled. Somehow they managed to feed themselves and had enough to export foodstuffs as well.

62 posted on 07/18/2017 4:20:21 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We've already ended poverty, by classical definition

In the US, nobody starves to death for lack of food, or freezes for lack of shelter, unless they are just too mentally ill or drug-addled to be helped. Currently, the "poor" have cell phones, TV, wear expensive sneakers, etc.

Under "basic income", poverty would just be redefined as "basic income standard of living".

63 posted on 07/18/2017 4:20:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A basic income could turn the welfare class into parasites for life with no chance of reforming and becoming productive. I care about the poor and pray this will never pass.


64 posted on 07/18/2017 4:54:13 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: aquila48

He even looks stupid.


65 posted on 07/18/2017 5:10:53 AM PDT by caver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Government provided basic income requires slavery.

Someone has to work to provide that money for all those who do not work. It will fall apart if everyone quits working and lives off the money provided. Suddenly there would be nothing available for anyone. So some people must be required to work.

The sure bet is that the decision as to who must work will be implemented by social justice/affirmative action/reparation minded people. Eventually all the jobs will be done by productive white males. They will be the new slaves for the non-productive ruling class.


66 posted on 07/18/2017 5:12:31 AM PDT by sipow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can have a lawful basic income in America right now. All you have to do is commit a felony, get convicted and step into prison. Somebody will pick up the tab for all your material needs.
Just forfeit your freedom. That’s the price — everywhere.
Sounds like a deal with the Devil, doesn’t it?


67 posted on 07/18/2017 5:21:25 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: kearnyirish2

The most productive basic law ever intuited: If you don’t work, then you don’t eat.


68 posted on 07/18/2017 5:33:12 AM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree, a basic income will end what the advocates of a basic income call “poverty”, totally. What is it they call “poverty”? Is it the inability to keep your economic head above water, obtain your essential needs, and have a few luxuries also? No. Their idea of “poverty” is really an application of envy, expecting that “most” people should not have an income that is below some arbitrarily set level, a level that is the result of comparing “how much lower” the lowest incomes are below the higher incomes (envy).

The “basic income” plan will end what its promoters call “poverty”, because:

1. It will cost so much that the spendable income of the majority will be so reduced that, 2. wages and living standards will be greatly reduced, until 3. a lower “poverty level” results, and yet also 4. moving more into the “basic income” category, until nearly everyone will be in the “basic income” level and 5. eventually the whole society will be in real poverty.

In sum, the cost will be continuously taken from the producers, continually reduce the numbers of producers, which will continuously increase the per-capita cost of subsidizing the “basic income”, until all incomes are reduced to the “basic income” level, either through the reduced direct income alone or through what is taken in taxes to subsidize income. Once that produces true “income equality” it will have achieved its goal and ended statistical “poverty” as no one will be left to be envied.


69 posted on 07/18/2017 6:46:00 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t get it, why stop there?

Why not give everyone a nice house, free food, luxury vacations. In fact lets declare it all a human right.

Anyone who refuses to do this is a real hater racist.
We should run the economy on magic pixie dust for progress!


70 posted on 07/18/2017 7:30:26 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
. . . and brakes can make your car go faster.

It all boils down to Joe Biden’s three-letter word - JOBS.

What is a job? A job is a structured way to systematically contribute value to society. And a paycheck is your share of that contributed value.

The highest form of job is to lead others in contributing value to society. This is done by pastors and teachers - and, most concretely, by employers. Employers establish discipline in their own domains, but employers are also disciplined by their “employer” - which is society. A.k.a., “the market.” The difference between the employee and the employer is that the employer actively seeks out opportunities to serve society and get concrete credit for doing so. The seeking may be by developing new products which society could not previously get (including in the extreme (smart phone) case products which society didn’t even know it wanted), or by identifying new customers for existing products in order to at least compensate for inevitable attrition due to disenchantment, removal, or death of customers.

The cynic says, “you didn’t build that,” but the reality is that all business are either dying or are being renewed continually. If you are not trying to improve, you are getting worse. Socialism is cynicism, and cynicism cannot encompass that reality. Socialism assumes away effort at improvement, and promises “quality health care,” when quality is impossible even to maintain, let alone improve, when socialism cannot allow individuals to seriously profit by serious efforts to improve.

And nobody would consider 1950 “quality” health care to be quality today.


71 posted on 07/18/2017 7:47:52 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (A press can be “associated,” or a press can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Laughable. Take a look at Venezuela and Cuba, kid.


72 posted on 07/18/2017 9:07:55 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Basic income

AKA

Slavery


73 posted on 07/18/2017 9:16:18 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Olog-hai
The Money Myth Exploded - Louis Even, 1939

From Parable to Reality - Louis Even, 1939

Since this social capital is the most important factor in modern production, the dividend should at least cover everyone's basic needs.

74 posted on 07/18/2017 9:22:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: BinaryBoy

Libs need to PICK ONE:
(A) Basic income and any other welfare
(B) Open borders

(Correct answer: (C) Let each state decide and implement what they want, but the Federal gov’t reserves the right to restrict (B))


75 posted on 07/18/2017 10:19:29 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For later.


76 posted on 07/18/2017 10:51:36 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JohnyBoy

Certainly; these people can be put to work on public works projects everywhere. It won’t raise taxes; they are already paid with all the things I mentioned...


77 posted on 07/19/2017 3:07:09 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Windflier

I did because unlike most leftist writings it wasn’t chock-full of insults and copypasted stereotypes.

The kid who wrote it was at least a polite kid who should be gently patted on the head and shooed outside to play while the adults solve the problems. Most lefist ‘solutions’ are written like a 3 year old hellions on a sugar rush talks.


78 posted on 08/15/2017 10:41:55 AM PDT by ALongRoadAhead
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