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October 10th, 732 - the clash of Muslim vs Western civilizations at the Battle of Tours
vaviper.blogspot.com ^ | 10/09/2017 | VA Viper

Posted on 10/10/2017 7:22:41 AM PDT by harpygoddess

A victorious line of march had been prolonged above a thousand miles from the rock of Gibraltar to the banks of the Loire. The repetition of an equal space would have carried the Saracens to the confines of Poland and the Highlands of Scotland; the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames.

Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and the pulpit might demonstrate to circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelations of Mahomet.

~ Edward Gibbon (1737-1794) (of the battle of Tours, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. LII)

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: battle; history; islam
October 10 is the anniversary of the battle of Tours in central France in 732 A.D., when a Frankish army under Charles Martel defeated the Muslim Ummayad invasion of Gaul under Abdul Rahman Al Ghafig. Having conquered virtually all of Spain following their initial crossing from North Africa in 711, the Ummayads sought to extend their holdings farther northward and reached what might be called the "high-water mark" of Islam in Europe, only to be turned back at this encounter. Estimates vary, but it is believed that several tens of thousands fought on each side, with perhaps 12,000 Moorish losses, including their leader Abdul Rahman.
1 posted on 10/10/2017 7:22:41 AM PDT by harpygoddess
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To: harpygoddess

The French should be taught some history. If they did, Martel would be a god-like figure.


2 posted on 10/10/2017 7:26:26 AM PDT by sevlex
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To: sevlex

Thank you very much, Charles the Hammerer! This one man took what he knew, crafted a tool from what he had, and wielded it wisely.

A few good men, indeed, can make a difference.


3 posted on 10/10/2017 7:29:57 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: sevlex

“The French should be taught some history. If they did, Martel would be a god-like figure.”

non, he did not surrender.


4 posted on 10/10/2017 7:30:45 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: oldplayer

Yesterday Charles the Hammerer, today Merkel the Moron.


5 posted on 10/10/2017 7:38:55 AM PDT by samtheman (As an oil exporter, why would the Russians prefer Trump to Hillary? (Get it or be stupid.))
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To: harpygoddess

1285 years later France is finally submitting to Islam.

Submit or Die

Islam’s Prime Directive


6 posted on 10/10/2017 7:52:44 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: harpygoddess

7 posted on 10/10/2017 7:55:16 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Daveinyork
12,000 bought us so much. Instead of iphones we would all still be using an abacus and trumpets - those that had the right to possess either.
8 posted on 10/10/2017 8:10:24 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Charles Martel

ping


9 posted on 10/10/2017 8:19:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe)
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To: harpygoddess

“Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford,”

It is.


10 posted on 10/10/2017 8:37:33 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: Daveinyork

“non, he did not surrender”

Very few ever have. The French took horrifying losses in WWII that the Brits don’t even come close to. They were outfought in WWII but did fight as hard as anyone could have against the new German tactics and equipment. And don’t forget, while people ridicule the French in WWII, it was the Brits who bravely ran away from the northern flank and evacuated at Dunkirk, leaving the French exposed.
Or at Singapore, where the Brits surrendered to a Japanese force one third its size. But we never talk about tea sipping surrender monkeys.

That’s because propaganda is a powerful thing.

The Brit decisions at Dunkirk and Singapore were pretty rational and stopped a battle they could not win. They ridicule france for the fall and for the collaborator government officials. But had the Channel not been there, the same thing would have happened in London. They already had more than a few of their aristocracy, including some royals, who were willing to settle. All the victorios Germans would have needed to was explain to the lords and peers how they would remain in their positions as long as they toed the line.

In the 6 week battle of France, German casualties are hard to determine but commonly accepted figures are: 27,074 killed, 111,034 wounded and 18,384 missing. The French lost 85,000 dead. The Luftwaffe lost 28% of its planes before it was over.
We tend to think of it as a cakewalk and an immediate French surrender, but it wasn’t. It was a brutal battle that the Germans had a very good plan for, and that France and Britain weren’t ready for.
British and French generals were idiots, and cost many good men their lives.

In WWI Pershing had sense enough to not use our men as fillers the way the Brits wanted thank God.


11 posted on 10/10/2017 8:53:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: samtheman

Macron , Le Petit Garcon

Doesn’t have same ring to it....


12 posted on 10/10/2017 9:32:00 AM PDT by njslim
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To: DesertRhino

Prior to that there was the abandoning of Czechoslovakia, and the “phony war” when Poland was left to its fate.


13 posted on 10/10/2017 9:34:37 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: harpygoddess

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

A better, more succinct and direct accounting.


14 posted on 10/10/2017 9:53:56 AM PDT by Mariner (Pink Pussy Hats for the NFL)
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To: harpygoddess
Charkes Martel and the battle of Tours - good reminder and an antidote to "Black History Month"
Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford
Alas, it is, and Gibbon must be turning in his grave.
15 posted on 10/10/2017 10:28:03 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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