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Putin's aggressive policies cost Russia 180,000 new births in 2017 alone
Window on Eurasia ^ | Mar 2018 | Andrey Illarionov

Posted on 03/22/2018 12:54:12 PM PDT by GoldenState_Rose

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To: Mrs. Don-o

That’s complete nonsense. The Russian birthrate plunged in the nineties during the last Soviet years and immediately afterwards because of the hardships of the time. That generation has been reaching the fertility age in recent years. And since we’re having less parents we’re having less births. If someone is to be blamed for this, then Mr. Gorbachev and Mr. Yeltsyn are to be picked.


21 posted on 03/23/2018 2:31:20 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
That makes perfect sense to me. Our Russian son, Vanya, was conceived in 1991 and born in 1992 in Petrovavlovsk-Kamchatskiy.That was at the height of the Russian Far East abortion holocaust. I'm sure that way over 50% of his age cohort was murdered before birth. Naturally his butchered generation wouldn't now be producing a lot of babies.

The article mentioned birth-per-1000 birthrate, however, and that's also very low.

22 posted on 03/23/2018 4:39:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts." - Sgt. Joe Friday)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

The 900,000 is the latest U.S. abortion rate.


23 posted on 03/23/2018 9:19:27 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Freelance Warrior

Ah, I see.

People lived in that building until just recently.

Does this help?


24 posted on 03/24/2018 6:18:53 PM PDT by ASOC (Having humility really means one is rarely humiliated)
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To: ASOC

In which way should it? People moved out, builders needn’t much time to start.


25 posted on 03/26/2018 8:57:10 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

If Russians had better housing - they’d have more babies
If Russian men shouldered more of the burden of childcare instead of saddling Russian women with working and all the home and childcare - they’d have more babies
If abortion for the past two decades hadnt been cheaper and less painful than childbirth- there would be more Russian babies
If alcohol and drugs hadnt destroyed so many young Russians - there would be more Rusdian babies

My observations from spending some time over there


26 posted on 03/31/2018 10:55:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

One of our children survived being born to a woman who had 9 abortions
Why she bore him we may never know since she abandoned him
But thanks be to God


27 posted on 03/31/2018 10:58:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: silverleaf

Thanks be to God.


28 posted on 03/31/2018 11:32:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (L'Chaim!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Wuli; TalonDJ; Hugin; FLT-bird; rfp1234; Pearls Before Swine; Pikachu_Dad; blueplum; ...
The role Russia has had in shaping modern abortion culture - not just in the former Eastern bloc, but in the West - is an issue of deep interest to me personally. And one all too often overlooked. It is a catastrophe on level of that of what went on in the GULAG, labor camps, and purges during Stalin's terror. (Ironically, Stalin temporarily banned abortion for a short period.)

The Soviet Union was the 1st country in the modern world to legalize abortion -- in 1922. The suction-aspirator machine used in early trimester abortions to this day in America, was designed by Bolshevik practitioners.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, spent extensive time in the Soviet Union -- praising it for its pioneering pro-choice attitudes. YET, even she was critical of how abortion was resorted *in lieu* of contraception with barely anyone batting an eye. With these lessons learned, she returned to the U.S. ever fired up about her cause of birth control.

According to Johnson's archive, by the time the United States was about to pass Roe versus Wade, Russian women were having abortions at FIVE times the rate of births! Please think about that for a moment.

And it is only in the latter half of the past decade, that births have either been equal to or above that of abortions.

In 1965 for example: there were 1.9 million recorded births, but 5.4 million abortions. (And who knows what was going on underground.)

In 1988, just before the fall of the USSR: there were 2.3 million births, but 4.6 million abortions. So still: more babies killed.

Today, Russia is trying to build an ideology on being the so-called keeper and promoter of "Orthodox" values -- but they want to do this without any honest appraisal of their society's contributions to shaping the modern world's abortion culture as a whole.

As recently as 2016, a Russian senator blamed abortion and the resulting trauma for society's rising 'level of aggression'

-- This article is very telling:

Until recently, Russian women reportedly had seven abortions over their lifetime. In 2003, BBC reported there were 13 abortions for every 10 live births; Reuters reported in 2009 that there were 73 abortions per 100 births in Russia.

In 2010, a United Nations report showed that the abortion rate in Russia was 37.4 abortions per 1000 women aged 15-44 years, the highest of any country represented in data collected by the UN.

“What floored me is that most moms brought their brought their kids [to abortion clinics],” said Rachel Flores, a California native and founder of Redeemed Lives International. She has traveled to parts of Russia and Europe sharing the message of hope and healing after abortion.

“These girls looked anywhere between 10 to 13 years of age. We saw the girls–there was numbness, but there were few that were just broken. I was floored that people just came and went.”

Most Russian women, Flores says, are ashamed to discuss abortion. Even pastors and leaders refuse to address the issue because their own wives have experienced abortion.

“I felt like I was really excavating hard ground, really hard ground,” Flores said.

Amidst concerns over the country’s low birthrate and high abortion rate, Russian lawmakers even suggested banning abortion completely. In 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law that banned abortion advertising.

Yet fast forward to just a few months ago and look how Putin responded when posed with the question about abortion legalization:

“In the modern world, the decision is up to the woman herself, any attempt to suppress it would only push the practice underground, causing immense damage to women’s health."

Link to article "Russia's Tragic Abortion Tale"

https://www.liveaction.org/news/the-abortion-ripple-effect-russias-tragic-abortion-tale/

29 posted on 03/31/2018 12:15:29 PM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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To: MichaelCorleone

See post 29 of this thread.


30 posted on 03/31/2018 2:01:15 PM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

What is your point?

Shall we assassinate Putin then?

The fact that you give a pass to the 60+ murders of the unborn here in the USA hurts your credibility. You don’t address the half a billion dollars just earmarked for PP in the 2000+ page omnibus bill that nobody read before signing. I guess that doesn’t bother you.

But things that we have no control over and happened long ago you pull out as a basis to build public support to attack Russia.

Strawman arguments rarely work.

It seems you’ve never seen war. Let me clue you in Rosie - it’s hell.


31 posted on 03/31/2018 2:43:12 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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My point is you need to stop being so uneven in your critique of America. Just like you are doing now: going on as if it’s Americans who are the ones wanting war, when in fact it’s Russia that’s doing the aggressive neocon posturing.

And there won’t be a war. Why? Because Trump is such a good president. Under his leadership, other countries are forced to get their act together instead of acting like petulant children.


32 posted on 03/31/2018 2:50:58 PM PDT by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Well, I don’t mean to come across that way.

Maybe I’m too sarcastic or snarky at times to the point where it’s counterproductive.

At any rate, I do see your point and it is a point well taken.

Happy Easter to you and yours.


33 posted on 03/31/2018 3:00:04 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
This is true, though one needs to remember that abortion was perceived as another women's right at the time it was legalised. And it still is by many today's feminists, I believe. As for the Russian so-called 'democrats', their moral values (abortion, religion, homosexuality etc.) qualify them for this name in the US sense.

(Ironically, Stalin temporarily banned abortion for a short period.) Not so short. Abortion was banned since 1936 till 1955 what's the largest part of Stalin's rule.

34 posted on 04/02/2018 5:48:16 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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