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Pardon me for not joining in the mourning for Desmond Tutu
Americanthinker.com ^ | December 27, 2021 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 12/27/2021 2:27:31 AM PST by Kaslin

Bishop Desmond Tutu, the South African bishop known for his fight to end apartheid is being universally lauded. I do not share that sentiment. While I will certainly acknowledge that he was a warrior against one of the great evils of his time, I believe that, on the scales of goodness, he squandered that moral virtue by being an ardent advocate of anti-Semitism and an enemy to Israel.

Over the years, I’ve found philo-Semitism and anti-Semitism to be very good yardsticks of both nations and people. Regarding the former, it’s no coincidence that, throughout history, those nations that thrive are, for their time and place, philo-Semitic, while those that fail are anti-Semitic. One can say that this is God’s will or one can note that free societies benefit all citizens and part of a free society is that it leaves its Jews alone. You don’t have to love Jews, you just have to leave them be. Totalitarian societies, on the other hand, the ones that oppress their people, invariably hate their Jews and use them as a scapegoat to distract the masses from the horrors of the regime.

When it comes to anti-Semitism, the same turns out to be true: Totalitarian individuals hate Jews; freedom-oriented people don’t. I happen to believe that this is because the Torah stands for absolute moral truths, justice, and a reckoning in the afterlife. Totalitarians oppose all those things.

This doesn’t mean that individual Jews are all moral, just, or will be rewarded in the afterlife. There have been and still are a lot of Jews who are bad people. Still, symbolically, those core virtues are Jewish ideas and leftists back away from them like slugs from salt or vampires from the cross.

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TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: africa; anc; antisemitism; bds; communist; desmond; desmondtutu; necklacing; southafrica; tirenecklace; tutu
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1 posted on 12/27/2021 2:27:31 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I have question about Tutu and South Africa.

Was South Africa better off BT (Before Tutu)?
Or is South Africa better off now, AT?


2 posted on 12/27/2021 3:10:00 AM PST by Tupelo
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To: Kaslin

Here I was thinking that I am one of very few who feel this way.


3 posted on 12/27/2021 3:10:11 AM PST by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: Tacrolimus1mg

Just another avowed communist


4 posted on 12/27/2021 3:29:36 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Kaslin

He supported the BDS movement? A really bad bunch of people.


5 posted on 12/27/2021 3:39:40 AM PST by laconic
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To: Tacrolimus1mg

I am soooo happy this issue is being brought up.

The media (and the Nobel prize committee) loved to present this tremendous “humanitarian”, spiritual man of the cloth as a political and social hero of our epoch, just like Nelson Mandela, his mentor.

In that he opposed the Apartheid system in South African and championed justice for his people, nobody will argue but anybody who is slightly aware of what actually transpired in that country under the guise of “Liberation” from White, oppressive rule must never deny that Nelson and Tutu’s African National Congress (ANC) was a terror organization who worked in tandem with such scum as Yassir Arafart’s PLO and Soviet backed Communist ideology. These so-called men of freedom, these Nobel Prize winning “heroes” of our time were nonother than violent terrorists covered in sheep’s clothing, especially Tutu.
After they assumed control of that country, bankrupted her of her wealth, killed opponents and praised terror kings like Arafart ran their country into the ground. Even Mandela’s wife, the great WINNIE MANDELA was a murderer.

Let us always keep these FACTS in perspective. While feigning victimhood and disenfranchisement, they murdered thousands in cold blood. Good riddance “Bishop”, you man of God who played the game so well.


6 posted on 12/27/2021 4:23:01 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.i)
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To: Tupelo

NELSON Mandela shocked me by being as good of a leader as he was. WINNIE Mandela was every misgiving I could have wrapped up into one, and on steroids.

TUTU did nothing other than press for his own self-interest. When he became a global celebrity, the values he took on were indistinguishable from any Hollowood celebrity.


7 posted on 12/27/2021 4:27:45 AM PST by dangus
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To: Kaslin

South Africa is now the Baltimore of Cape Horn.


8 posted on 12/27/2021 4:41:39 AM PST by bort
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To: dangus

Nelson Mandela had no misconceptions about what would happen in a South Africa without whites; never mind the bloody disasters from decades before (Katanga secession in the Congo, Biafra secession in Nigeria) - he was watching Zimbabwe (turned over to black rule in 1980) disintegrate before his eyes. He pleaded with whites not to leave, as they would leave the country without doctors and other professionals, and granted concessions to help retain them.


9 posted on 12/27/2021 4:44:41 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

IIRC Mandela originally was a fierce Anti-Communist, but the Soviet Union made Mandela and the ANC an offer they couldn’t refuse.


10 posted on 12/27/2021 4:47:38 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dangus

Chief Buthelezi would have been a better leader of Post-Apartheid South Africa.


11 posted on 12/27/2021 4:48:28 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Kaslin
he fought to end apartheid which was, as I said, one of the great evils of the modern era

What replaced it seems demonstrably worse.

12 posted on 12/27/2021 5:05:10 AM PST by marktwain (Amazing people can read a persons entire personality and character from one photograph.)
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To: Kaslin

At Reagan’s funeral, George H Bush related a story. He asked Reagan how a meeting with Tu Tu went. Reagan responded So so.


13 posted on 12/27/2021 5:09:26 AM PST by DeplorablePaul (s)
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To: dangus

Winnie Mandela is an object lesson to those who think that somehow that having females in power is, as a function of their sex, somehow kinder or more civil than that of men.

She was what Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris would be had they been born in South Africa.


14 posted on 12/27/2021 5:12:03 AM PST by rlmorel (If the Biden Administration was only stupid or incompetent, some actions would benefit the USA.)
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To: dfwgator

That happened in many colonies; the Soviets and/or Chicoms would be the only ones willing to arm those seeking independence (as in Angola, Indochina, Latin America). Ho Chi Minh went to France after WWI to make the case for self-determination, and was rebuffed; the other European colonizers stuck together with France and wouldn’t help. After WWII, independence was inevitable and even Britain had to accept the colonized peoples should have a say in self-determination. While the US supported France militarily in Indochina, Britain wouldn’t (beyond initially helping secure the colony from the Japanese - and Ho Chi Minh - immediately after WWII ended). When Britain made its intentions clear throughout the empire, Rhodesia declared itself independent in 1965 and was then shunned by Western countries (relying on South Africa and Portugal - as the colonizer on both sides in Angola and Mozambique - for aid and trade). After Portugal withdrew from those colonies in 1975, Rhodesia was doomed - the two former colonies became havens for black guerillas, and the Bush War became unwinnable. In 1980 they agreed to elections, but even then there was conflict between the leftist groups led by Mugabe and those who wished for a less-hostile “bi-racial” independence resembling that which Mandela wanted for South Africa (many blacks had fought for the white Rhodesian government during the Bush War, and didn’t want communism for the new state).

I pity those whites abandoned by their governments in former colonies; at one time their governments enticed people to populate them, then decades (or centuries) later they abandoned them. Portugal and France suffered economic turmoil trying to integrate millions of their citizens as they fled Algeria, Angola, and Mozambique - and in a foreshadowing of what would happen in Afghanistan, France also took in many Algerians who had supported them (”Harkis”). The French government wouldn’t allow them in, but their military peers smuggled many out anyway because they (rightfully) understood they’d suffer retaliation if they stayed (many lived in refugee camps for years in France afterwards). When Portugal left Guinea-Bissau in 1975, the new government executed 7,500 Africans who had fought for Portugal; they’d initially been offered asylum with the Portuguese, but refused because they wouldn’t leave their families.

Very sad stuff...


15 posted on 12/27/2021 5:13:24 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

I remember that Somora Michel, the leader of the Marxists in Mozambique eventually turned on the Soviets, and soon after died in a mysterious plane crash.


16 posted on 12/27/2021 5:25:36 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

I guess that was the dilemna they faced after taking Soviet aid; it came with Soviet control. The same happened in Spain’s civil war; after looting the treasury’s gold, the USSR took overcontrol of the war effort despite the fact that communists had been a very small portion of the “popular front” movement. After the first year they eliminated the leadership of their anarchist allies, and forced the rank-and-file into communist-led units; since the USSR provided the lion’s share of weapons, there was little anyone could do. It did destroy morale, though; true liberals and libertarians realized early on that their freedom-loving ideals were crushed.


17 posted on 12/27/2021 5:39:02 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Interesting info - thanks!


18 posted on 12/27/2021 5:39:59 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Kaslin

I remember the late Jerry Falwell visiting Tutu back in the day. He returned to announce he found Tutu to be a fraud.


19 posted on 12/27/2021 5:40:18 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: P.O.E.

Any time - I find it interesting as well! An American from my town died in Rhodesia fighting for the government (as part of the “Crippled Eagles”); while they were painted as racist mercenaries, they viewed themselves as anti-communists and enlisted in the regular Rhodesian army (drawing the same pay and all).


20 posted on 12/27/2021 5:43:52 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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