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Biden Administration Quietly Raised Amount of Ethanol Required in Summer Blend Gasoline from Ten Percent to Fifteen, Three Predictable Problems Will Surface Soon
The Last Refuge ^ | June 6, 2022 | Sudance

Posted on 06/08/2022 7:36:05 AM PDT by dalight

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To: dynoman

Ethonal eats unprotected metals in the fuel systems.

So metal lines. Metal parts in the pumps unprotected fuel injectors.

It also burns hotter so valves not designed to deal with that also tend to fail sooner.


61 posted on 06/08/2022 8:11:06 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: 1Old Pro

I buy it for all gasoline powered equipment I own. 20% better gas mileage on my 92 Honda, for instance, is one reason for this.


62 posted on 06/08/2022 8:11:50 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Seruzawa

They want all gasoline engines destroyed.


63 posted on 06/08/2022 8:11:56 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Let's Go Brandon)
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To: Magnatron

You might have just stumbled onto the real reason Biden needs diapers


64 posted on 06/08/2022 8:12:26 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: dalight

No..I do it for my small engines.

Then, I do some to add into the tank after I fill up at the gas station once in a while.

Mostly for use in my small engines.

I got a 5 gallon white plastic jug that I used.

I dont use the octane additive.


65 posted on 06/08/2022 8:12:40 AM PDT by crz
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To: dalight

No. E15.

E85 is 85% ethonal. Not 85% gasoline


66 posted on 06/08/2022 8:13:42 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: dalight

E85 is not 15%.

E85 is what they have is countries like Brazil. It can have between 53% to 85% alcohol. This is also known as Flex Fuel.

Brazil has true flex fuel automobiles. This is because Brazil has very little petroleum reserves. However, they can grow sugar beets year round. Sugar beets are the best crop to grow and make ethanol. They are so good at making it there, they can export it here and be a lot cheaper than making it from corn. Except, that would not be beneficial for all the farmers in Iowa, where they have that caucus every four years.


67 posted on 06/08/2022 8:13:53 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Look into converting your generator to propane. Propane is stable, it never goes bad. Instant starting, oil does not need changing as frequently.

I converted mine in 1999 and never looked back.


68 posted on 06/08/2022 8:16:52 AM PDT by wrench
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To: dynachrome; cuz1961

I’m not sure what cuz is trying to say about fuel mileage but ethanol blended gas gives worse mileage (less energy delivered per gallon) than an equal amount of non-ethanol gas. You can look this up in countless listings on the inter-weebs.

Can the gas be cheaper...that depends upon the price of each component and the blending costs. Will food prices be higher as well — certainly. There is however some octane advantages to certain 5% or 10% mixtures as I understand it but this is a typical socialist planned economy disaster as usual.

Biden destroys.


69 posted on 06/08/2022 8:17:32 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: dalight

Remember “Cash for Clunkers”? This is phase two.


70 posted on 06/08/2022 8:19:45 AM PDT by fretzer
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To: dynoman

Alcohol more than 10% attacks any of the rubber/plastic that is containing it that is not specifically designed for E85 fuels. It damages carbonators (mine is fuel injected - so no bullet there) and it raises cylinder head temps leading to distortion and potential damage of the valves and valve seats. And, to top it off.. you have to buy more fuel per mile to drive it. E85 used to be priced lower than 10% or E90. This is the creepy thing they are attempting. To lower gas prices 5% and destroy the cars of the lower middle class and the poor in one swoop. But the shift to alcohol only lowers the price, not the cost. It’s a sham, and needs to be fought not accepted. And, if you are subject to emissions testing, many cars will fail that would have passed with a 10% blend.


71 posted on 06/08/2022 8:19:46 AM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight
Fourth! Ethanol does nothing to make auto exhaust any cleaner. There is no need to put oxygenates into gasoline, because modern cars have computer controlled fuel injection systems that monitor exhaust gases and adjust the fuel/air mixture for every stroke of each piston. The last carbureted engined cars were sold in the US 30 years ago. Ethanol content in gasoline is a sop to the agribusiness lobby and farmers. The petrochemical industry could manufacture methanol from natural gas cheaper than agribusiness cartels can make ethanol. The EPA banned the use of alcohols not manufactured from agricultural products for the purpose of meeting the oxygenate mandates.

Fifth! The manufacture of ethanol in the US for burning in gasoline uses grain that could be used for food. This is at a time when the supply of grain to many countries is being cut due to the Russo-Ukraine war.

Yes Biden is stupid enough to use phony environmental mandates to starve millions of people to attempt to buy votes.

72 posted on 06/08/2022 8:21:10 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: crz

Makes sense for small engines and hobby cars that eat gallons per year. Not a solution for a car you drive to work.


73 posted on 06/08/2022 8:21:37 AM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight

I was getting around 20.5 MPG in my Jeep wrangler but lately I have been getting around 21.5 MPG since the E15 mandate. Good for me and good for Farmers.


74 posted on 06/08/2022 8:21:42 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: dalight

E85 was already mandated for winter fuel blends. What difference does it make if it is now used year-round?


75 posted on 06/08/2022 8:21:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: dalight

Jumpted 20 cents the other day followed by another 20 cents a few days later and then got to $4.49.9 around here for the first time ever. Thankfully I can go on base at the Alabama National Guard base, the old Fort McClellan and purchase gas there. Lot cheaper!!


76 posted on 06/08/2022 8:24:39 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Free Will. GOD gives you the choice I accept or reject Him! Choose Him. It depends on you.)
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To: 1Old Pro

I make it, easily, from car gas. The store-bought version of it last time I looked was $20/gallon.

The chemistry: ethanol binds weakly to gasoline; ethanol binds strongly to water.

Take a clear 5-gallon jug; pour about 2-3 gallons of gas into it; pour 2 quarts of water into it; shake well; let the cloudy mixture settle for two days; siphon off the new water/ethanol mixture. The pure ethanol-free gas remains.


77 posted on 06/08/2022 8:26:38 AM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: dalight

My sister has an older Honda CR-V.

Honda specifically tells owners to NOT use more than 10% ethanol.

Here in Maine, some gas stations sell ethanol free gasoline......about $7.00 per gallon versus $4.90 - $4.95 for regular with ethanol.

Also, with the shortage of grain and corn for food and the high cost of animal feed, burning food is insane.


78 posted on 06/08/2022 8:28:01 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My body, my choice....but not when it comes down to unconstitutional "vaccine" mandates.)
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To: dalight

My 2006 Honda CRV requires a conversion kit to run E85. Starting this week we are going to fill up at the station that sells non ethanol gas. I’ll put enough non ethanol in to keep the mix at or below 10%.


79 posted on 06/08/2022 8:30:06 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Thanks.. I was unaware that you could get 53% alcohol in E85, I will check to see if that is the American definition however.


80 posted on 06/08/2022 8:30:38 AM PDT by dalight
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