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Lilly and Scowcroft Were Wrong in 1989. Let’s Not Be Wrong in 2023
Simon's Substack ^ | 13 Aug 2023 | MArk Simon

Posted on 08/13/2023 7:52:17 PM PDT by Rummyfan

Brent Scowcroft was a great American, as was Lawrence Eagleburger. Both served our country well throughout their lives. Except once.

June 4th, 1989, the Communist Party of China unleashed a slaughter and then round-up of activists and students who had bravely demanded a more democratic China. Less than 6 weeks later, while bodies of students were still in Beijing morgues, Scowcroft and Eagleburger, encouraged by James Lilly, and of course with the full backing of then President George H. Bush, undertook a secret mission to Beijing to let the butchers know, “we’ve got your back”.

Alternative historical timelines are somewhat useless, however, judgments about the actions of government officials are open to scrutiny, and I am more than willing to argue that the olive branch along with the tarp, to cover the bodies of the Tiananmen students, delivered by Mr. Eagleburger and Mr. Scowcroft, was a mistake. China was on the ropes, the Soviet Union was going down fast, and what could have been the end of the Communist Party, or at least a serious shake-up, was an opportunity missed for reasons that really don’t add up, other than then President Bush, and policy hands like Ambassador James Lilly, thought stability in China was preferred over change. A move where the only recorded beneficiary was the Carlyle Group.

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We are now at that crossroads again, and once again, we have the engagement crowd telling us that it’s much better for us for to let the Party of Xi escape, with our assistance, rather than face the music of the last nine years of economic mismanagement.

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Unless the engagement fellows have figured out a way to increase the Chinese birth rate, solve the problems of communism, and found some path for the Communist Party to allow an investment that is not a gift, then we are wasting our time.

Xi put them in this mess, and it’s his mess to sort. The idea that we need some type of Marshall Plan to help the Communist Party save itself, so they don’t turn into bad guys and invade the rest of Asia is sadly lacking an understanding of exactly what totalitarians have done throughout history.

1 posted on 08/13/2023 7:52:17 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
Grabby Poppy Bush, another yeller POS.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree with his son, the Smirking Chimp.

2 posted on 08/13/2023 8:38:08 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

The Bush family sold out America.


3 posted on 08/13/2023 9:49:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: Rummyfan

This was a dark chapter in our history.

We let profits and the known untapped potential for future profits over ride our most basic values.

Since then we have repeated this many times and Saudi Arabia is but one other example. Any discussion of human rights, democracy, or sovereignty today by us is laughed at by most people outside our media world.

They realize these are just a cheap punchlines we use when convenient. These concepts/ideas are used to rationalize our actions when our economic interests dictate a certain course of action.

But you are right in digging up this part of our past, in so far, that it was the the begining of a new world for us, or as Bush H put it best, a “new world order.”


4 posted on 08/14/2023 1:01:30 AM PDT by Red6
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I agree.


5 posted on 08/14/2023 1:04:12 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Rummyfan

Yep.


6 posted on 08/14/2023 2:43:57 PM PDT by nicollo ("This is FR!")
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To: kiryandil

Bush I was the best friend China ever had.


7 posted on 08/14/2023 2:44:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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