Posted on 12/15/2023 1:35:37 AM PST by spirited irish
Wow. Guess everything is always about how stupid the other tribe is?
For example, it's one thing to say that huskies and wolves evolved from the same species. But quite another thing to say that single-celled organisms evolved into human beings. An argument could even be made for the former through the Bible (God making each according to it's "kind" might be similar to saying God making different genera and allowing species within each genus to evolve through natural selection). But I don't see anything in the Bible to support macro-evolution. Nor do I see it in nature. Especially with events like the cambrian explosions.
At least, that's my two cents' worth.
He’s aping platudes he’s read.
“So now these Creationists can deliver their verbal broadsides - without ever actually trying to grasp what these critics are really saying (hint: they are still materialists, still proceed from the plausible assumption that only prosaic geo-physical and biochemical mechanisms and processes gave rise to Life).
What these atheists are saying is how Darwinism utterly fails to explain how life began. The one scientist also commented on our newly found understanding of the enormous complexity of the self-regulating systems within the cell that eliminate roughly 99% of DNA mutations before they ever have a chance to manifest themselves.
Must be my 8th grade education talking.
“Language is a virus from outer space.”
Quiz time, what is a genetic phenomenon believed to be caused by (perhaps endogenous) retro viruses?
No. Every scientist knows that evolutionary science (which itself has evolved FAR beyond Darwin’s initial theory) has NOTHING to do with how life began. It doesn’t even try. That’s a completely different area of scientific study. It’s like “complaining” that planetary geologists won’t explain stars, of course they won’t, it’s not their field. So anybody saying that isn’t a scientist. And is a liar. And you shouldn’t listen to them.
Any “scientist” today who refuses to recognize the distinction between adaptation and evolution is a fraud and should be ignored.
“I spoke with Humanity’s great spokesman, the late Stephen Jay Gould.”
Barf!
Strawman Fallacy! Darwinism never purported to explain how Life began.
Regards,
There’s no difference unless one believes in elan vital or some other such non-materialist belief.
If life didn’t begin via natural selection, then how did it begin?
You seem to be asking questions in good faith - i.e., you don't seem to be attempting to "bait" anyone here - so permit me to take a crack at answering!
(Full Disclosure: Am not a biologist, but I know the difference between a man and a woman. Ha-ha!)
Don't fixate on "evolutionary benefit."
Evolution is not perfect, nor can it react instantaneously. Makeshift "fixes," poor fits, bad "legacy code," improvisations, "junk" DNA, etc. are the rule.
An imperfect analogy (since automobile design is, of course, intentional - i.e., "guided" by behind-the-scene actors with agendas all their own, and not the strict result solely of mechanical and aerodynamic factors; however, there are similarities), but consider for a moment the diversity of car makes; are they really justified by geographical or other different factors impacting the basic "job" that cars have to perform?
Also: If you walk into a parking lot, and spot one VW Beetle with a different color fender, and maybe a funny bumper sticker, and a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror - If you were an other-worldly observer visiting our planet for the first time, you might wonder why those diff. features "came about." (Given the assumption that the only / basic goal is to get from point "A" to "B.") You might notice that the tread on the left rear tire is (worn) different from that of the other tires. "What possible benefit could that have?" you might wonder. You notice that the titanium concentration in the rear bumper is 113 ppm, but only 95 ppm in the front bumper: "Why go to all that extra effort to have diff. concentrations?" And that bird poop on the windshield! "What purpose does that serve?"
The above is not meant to be a "slam-dunk" answer or explanation; I'm not making any falsifiable claims, just trying to prompt you to think about it.
Again what’s the evolutionary benefit to the chicken to lay a consumable egg, nearly one a day, to the chicken?
Seriously?! Chickens in the wild don't do that! Like asking how bananas could possibly evolve to fit the human hand so perfectly! (Hint: They didn't.)
Lastly and not my thought but someone else’s that made me think, say the lightning strike on the ooze created the first life, did it also create the food source to feed this life
Now I'm not so sure you aren't trying to bait and/or "pwn" us! The first organisms were undoubtedly heterotrophic - e.g., deriving their metabolic energy from the chemical reduction of, say, iron compounds.
Regards,
The core of Darwinian (and all other branches of) evolution is silliness.
My opinion, having considered many of the aspects of that model, is simply that evolution doesn’t exist as an actual scientific theory because foundational science doesn’t support it. Foundational science supports entropy, not self-correcting orderliness.
Another item is that there is no mathematical model that proves there’s a path from randomness to decisive determinism.
Final point for this short comment is that without a Creator there is no basis for logical, persistent physical laws, i.e., randomness is forever.
Endogenous retro viruses. Have someone explain it to you.
/;
so....where did these endogenous retro viruses come from ?
.. let me guess...
...fitst there was nothing...
..then nothing exploded...
...and made endogenous retro viruses..
ya,.. real convincing.
so....where did these endogenous retro viruses come from ?
.. let me guess...
...fitst there was nothing...
..then nothing exploded...
...and made endogenous retro viruses..
well ?....
so....where did these endogenous retro viruses come from ?
.. let me guess...
...fitst there was nothing...
..then nothing exploded...
...and made endogenous retro viruses..
well ?....
anyone ?....
thought so.
so....where did these endogenous retro viruses come from ?
.. let me guess...
...first there was nothing...
..then nothing exploded...
...and made endogenous retro viruses..
well ?....
anyone ?....
well ?....
evolution=0
creation=1
game over.
Good article. It’s worth your time to follow the link. The following was new to me:
“Living cells do not operate blindly,” Shapiro explains. They continually acquire information, make adjustments, self-regulate, and self-correct. They constantly monitor their environment, their situation, and their health. Molecular biologists increasingly realize that the number of regulatory and control processes in cells outnumbers the functions which actually accomplish a task. There are layers upon layers of interconnected networks that constantly process information. This recognition has given rise to the discipline of systems biology—the study of how groups of molecules coordinate to work cooperatively. Shapiro specifically rejects the notion that random variations are introduced through accidental mutations in DNA. The standard neo-Darwinian model fails to take into consideration that the cell auto-corrects the errors in its DNA. Replication of the DNA strand, explains Shapiro, occurs with extreme precision and speed, and then a multistage process of proofreading takes place. This proofreading happens both during replication and afterward. “The efficiency of the mismatch repair system is about 99%, increasing replication… function within cells as checkpoints: they make sure that certain processes (some of which are incredibly complex) do not proceed until all the prior processes have been completed. It is not mechanical precision that ensures success in cellular tasks and reproduction. Rather, it is the layer upon layer of proofreading, auto-correcting, and quality control.”
A perfectly satisfactory response is “I don’t know.”
I’ve heard the assertion that we must accept the best naturalistic response, no matter how bad. Assertion rejected.
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