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Why are Some Evolutionists Opposed to Evolution
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 12/23 | ThinkApologetics

Posted on 12/15/2023 1:35:37 AM PST by spirited irish

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To: spirited irish

From the article, quoting the scientists in question:

“They argue that Darwinism is an ideological cadaver.”

I kinda like that characterization. Reminds me of the current occupant.


41 posted on 12/15/2023 7:24:27 AM PST by Migraine
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To: ifinnegan

Evolution = settled science

According to marxist liberals

The Bible - God / creation is

Debunked fairy tales - fiction

The dnc evangelical gospel is

Anarchy - man made laws - govt - religion

Nazi pc fascism666

Jihad - sharia alqueda usa diversity

Crusade war on Judea / Christianity Russia - Israel


42 posted on 12/15/2023 7:35:02 AM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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To: ChessExpert

layer upon layer of proofreading, auto-correcting, and quality control.”

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where did that ability come from ?

let me guess

first

there was nothing

then nothing exploded

and then proofread itself

and auto corrected itself

.

bwa hahaha.

all dazzle and b.s. aside...

evolution = 0

creation by a Creator = 1

game over

( except for the stubornly willfully ignorant professing wisdom )


43 posted on 12/15/2023 7:42:14 AM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: Montana_Sam
My opinion, having considered many of the aspects of that model, is simply that evolution doesn’t exist as an actual scientific theory because foundational science doesn’t support it. Foundational science supports entropy, not self-correcting orderliness.

You evince a gross misunderstand of the Laws of Thermodynamics.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (pertaining to entropy) refers only to CLOSED SYSTEMS.

An organism obtaining energy from sources outside itself is NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM.

Regards,

44 posted on 12/15/2023 7:58:44 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: spirited irish
"Cosmic authority problem???" They want a cosmic authority! They just don't want it to be G-d! (They want the United Nations.)

And if they're really so opposed to "purpose," then why do they keep coming up with these plans to "save the earth" and achieve "social justice?" Why don't they just eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow they die???

45 posted on 12/15/2023 7:59:28 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

The discovery of epigenetics refutes the arguments of the rabid post-Darwin purists. But they weren’t Darwinists anyway. Human evolutionary changes were mostly not made through genetic changes, but were made through changes in which genes get expressed.

Epigenetics vindicate Lamarck, not Darwin. But then again, Darwin agreed with Lamarck while expanding Lamarck’s theories. The post-Darwin purists chose to disregard this fact.

Conversely, who set these forces in motion so that sentient beings could discover this mechanism?


46 posted on 12/15/2023 8:00:36 AM PST by nagant
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To: ifinnegan

There’s very much a difference. And it’s got nothing to do with elan vital or materialism. It’s got to do with understanding that reality is big, human brains are small, and if you want to go seriously exploring any part of reality you need to define limits, put reality in a Venn diagram and decide “I’m studying this circle here, and yes I recognize that it intersects with these other circles, but I’m not studying those circles, I might get INFORMATION from people that do, but that’s not my area of study.”

It’s like the difference between a software developer and a chip designer. Sure you can’t run software without chips, and chips are rather boring without software, but they are 2 different things and the people who do 1 rarely know anything about the other.


47 posted on 12/15/2023 8:03:56 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: cuz1961

Well, cuz, once would have been enough. Evolutionary biology doesn’t take a position on origins, it explains change but thanks for playing.


48 posted on 12/15/2023 8:40:06 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: ifinnegan

Those viruses leave inheritable markers on your genome in unique locations with unique characteristics. If your great grandfather got the virus the market will be on your genome and on the genome of your ten thousands grandson.

All humans and all chimpanzees have similar markers from an evolutionary ancestor that was neither human nor chimpanzee. We, both species, are all descendent from an earlier species. Modern genetics would be invalidated were it otherwise.

It means absolutely zero to me if you want to believe in some other idea written by people who didn’t know the earth orbited the sun and the blood circulated in the body.


49 posted on 12/15/2023 8:47:34 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

My daughter, a PhD geneticist already did. But thanks


50 posted on 12/15/2023 8:50:12 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: alexander_busek

You may wish to familiarize yourself with talks by and interviews with one Pam Acker, and see if your thinking changes.


51 posted on 12/15/2023 8:58:19 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: alexander_busek

For example:

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52 posted on 12/15/2023 9:06:22 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: spirited irish

Great article! I sent it on to my family. Thanks, for posting.


53 posted on 12/15/2023 9:13:21 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: muir_redwoods

“Evolutionary biology doesn’t take a position on origins”

Chemical evolution doesn’t take a position on evolutionary biology either.

The two are often run together by proponents as evolution.


54 posted on 12/15/2023 11:11:11 AM PST by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: muir_redwoods

Well, cuz, once would have been enough.

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once what ?

something from nothing ?

fail.

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Evolutionary biology doesn’t take a position on origins,

\/

cuz it cant.

it just claims it happened

without evidence,

calls THAT science,

then continues the con job.

a bait and switch con.

you cant just start at step 2

\/

it explains change

\/

change of what einstien ?

change of nothing that exploded ?

freaking pathetic weasel argument.

fail


55 posted on 12/15/2023 12:00:50 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: nagant

🐎 🪽 ✈️

It’s getting closer

(Here’s a horse with wings that’s flying)


56 posted on 12/15/2023 12:12:32 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go ...)
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To: muir_redwoods

Zero, sorry.

Did even attend one lecture?

And it’s open book.

Empty rhetoric is not science.

Try to answer the question.


57 posted on 12/15/2023 12:21:03 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: discostu

You’re wrong and don’t understand materialism or chemistry.

Do you think life is magic?

Do you think natural selection only applies only to cellular organisms that divide?


58 posted on 12/15/2023 12:23:37 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ChessExpert

Yes it is.


59 posted on 12/15/2023 12:28:17 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: discostu

One more thing, which is ironic, your argument is essentially an intelligent design argument.


60 posted on 12/15/2023 12:29:44 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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