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Carry and Ammunition Suggestions for Condition Orange (Freeper Suggestions-Vanity)
The Usual Suspects ^ | 12/21/2003 | Section9

Posted on 12/21/2003 5:21:45 PM PST by section9

Well folks, it's that time of year again. Tom Ridge and the people at DHS have received the analysis of the chatter gathered by NRO, DIA, and other assorted alphabet agencies and it appears that the Rags have decided to do the whole Grinch thing.

Naturally, Americans can be an awfully accomodating bunch, in that 72 virgins kind of way, so I was wondering that given that the threat board just went to orange, what are the Best Practices for carry, ammunition, and accessories during this period. In other words, are you stuck with your 9mm when you're going about your Christmas shopping, or should one carry the 12 guage in the gun rack.

I'm serious, folks. I'm not being facetious. It only sounds that way. I have been expecting terrorists to make guerilla style attacks and acts of sabotage in the U.S. for two years now as an expression of Islamic "manhood". Unfortunately for them, there's something called the Second Amendment. So this thread is for practical suggestions for carry and concealment, choice of firearms and ammunition in a low intensity warfare environment, and of course, best practices for small unit tactics in case you run into the Madrass Jihad for Allah (as opposed to, say, the Campus Crusade for Christ).

Be Seeing You,

Chris


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Suggestions and comments welcome. I've a feeling that this is some serious business. As for me, it's off to the gun store in the morning.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

1 posted on 12/21/2003 5:21:49 PM PST by section9
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To: section9
Just carry what ever you want to within reason.
2 posted on 12/21/2003 5:24:58 PM PST by yarddog
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To: section9
Unfortunately I do not own a firearm "yet". I know, I know... it's almost more than a right, a duty.
3 posted on 12/21/2003 5:25:23 PM PST by kuma
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To: section9
Merry Christmas and a brick of .22 LR as a stocking stuffer. :o)
4 posted on 12/21/2003 5:26:00 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Eaker
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5 posted on 12/21/2003 5:27:12 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: Eaker
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6 posted on 12/21/2003 5:27:19 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: Eaker
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7 posted on 12/21/2003 5:27:24 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: Eaker
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8 posted on 12/21/2003 5:27:30 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: section9
As for me, it's off to the gun store in the morning.

Thanks, but I already have plenty of MREs leftover from Y2K.

And (obligatory) vanities don't belong in "breaking news" anyway.

But have a good time at the gun store.
They're open year 'round, you don't need an excuse to visit!

9 posted on 12/21/2003 5:28:01 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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oppps had it on full auto......
10 posted on 12/21/2003 5:28:06 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: section9
Use any weapon you can carry with you at all times and have practiced extensively with, loaded with any ammunition that feeds reliably and shoots accurately in that weapon. Remember:

1. A .22 in your hand beats a .45 on your nightstand.

2. A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .45.

< /soapbox >
11 posted on 12/21/2003 5:28:39 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Squantos
Do be a good sport and get all the folks on the Bang! List to come up and put in their two cents. Seasoned firearms owners who are familiar with Colonel Jeff Cooper's Rules are valuable sources of responsible information and advice.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

12 posted on 12/21/2003 5:29:19 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: section9
12 guage pump in the gun rack. First round, #6 birdshot. Second round, 00 buck. Third round, rifled slug. Lather, rinse, repeat if necessary. AR-15 loaded with SS-109 in reserve. 9mm loaded with JPF, just in case.
13 posted on 12/21/2003 5:29:32 PM PST by CholeraJoe (PSST...Saddam! Do ya like Metallica? You're gonna hear alot of it for the next six months.)
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To: section9
Plenty of .45 wrapped in a 1911A1 model of your choice.

Do not buy Glock for concealed carry.

14 posted on 12/21/2003 5:29:35 PM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: section9

The Goat of Vengence always comes in handy. Just point it at a jihadi and give the command!

15 posted on 12/21/2003 5:30:45 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: section9
Depends where you live. In most of the northeast, being caught with a piece will bring more trouble down on your head than all the filthy diaper headed nutjobs in the history of earth could ever bring you.

So I guess that means something small.
16 posted on 12/21/2003 5:32:25 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (It's not a blanket amnesty, it's amnistia del serape!)
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To: section9
Actually, I've been carrying my H&K USPc in .45 everyday now, so that's a foregone conclusion for me.
17 posted on 12/21/2003 5:32:41 PM PST by tarawa
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To: section9
I was wondering that given that the threat board just went to orange, what are the Best Practices for carry, ammunition, and accessories during this period.

For personal protection, I keep the Para-Ordnance P-14 .45 ACP with two pre-ban clips. Ammunition is hollow-point +P. Large bark. Larger bite. As a fallback, I keep a Beretta Brigadier 92F 9mm handy. Both sidearms have laser sighting. If those two can't handle the situation, I'm in over my head.

For "close encounters," I keep a pistol grip Mossberg 500 12 gauge with alternating slug and buckshot loads. The original point-and-click system.

I don't believe in doing anything halfway.

18 posted on 12/21/2003 5:33:21 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: Squantos
158 gr.+P LSWCHP, if you can find it ;)
19 posted on 12/21/2003 5:33:23 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: section9
Here in North Dakota, we are loosely packed. We prefer long range weapons, since they double for hunting.

Browning A-Bolt Win .270 for power and range, Browning .223 for ammo compatibility, and Browning Pump Shotgun (BPS) capable of 3.5 inch shells ought to do it out here on the prairie. Missed the pheasant today with the BPS, and no coyotes showed for the .223. Islamofascists can be dispatched with any of the above.

Happy Hunting!
20 posted on 12/21/2003 5:34:01 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (I used to think they were crazy when they said "Republicrats.")
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To: section9
Here in Kalifornia I guess we'll have to carry a target that we can hold off to the side to hopefully pull their aim off.
21 posted on 12/21/2003 5:34:09 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Part of the Vast Right Wing Apparatus since Ford lost. ><BCC>)
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To: section9; *bang_list
Done.......
22 posted on 12/21/2003 5:34:32 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: section9
My husband just got a Beretta Neo for his birthday, but hasn't had a chance to try it out. I guess it's about time.
23 posted on 12/21/2003 5:35:11 PM PST by Eva
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To: tarawa
Well, I'm sort of stuck with the 12 guage. I'm sending the wife and child to California to visit the relatives, so there goes my Model 1911 until next year (I have my heart set on the Kimber Custom series black).

Damn, I didn't know a goat could be so deadly.

Nice to see Willie Green in top form, as usual, btw. Maybe we can turn this into a mass transit thread so he can feel at home.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

24 posted on 12/21/2003 5:35:55 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: section9; yarddog
...and a little extra...plus standard emergency gear...flashlight, knives, water, first aid, gas mask if you have one...good to have a cut-and-run survival kit these days...protein bars, pepper spray...

I have settled on the 9mm, .38/.357, .44 Magnum, and 12ga.3"...and for rifles...anything of average, widely used cartridge. If the mud does fly, you'll want to resupply if you run out...bad time for a .30 Luger, .219 Donaldson Wasp, and a 28 ga. !
25 posted on 12/21/2003 5:36:44 PM PST by PoorMuttly (KAKKATE KOI !)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Looked at the show last week......none, nada, zilch !
26 posted on 12/21/2003 5:37:17 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: section9
Anti-aircraft missle. More than one if you can get 'em in your pocket.
27 posted on 12/21/2003 5:38:09 PM PST by templar
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To: section9
I have my heart set on the Kimber Custom series

Before you do, you may want to check out the new offerings from Colt. This is not the Colt of a few years ago; they've really turned things around over there.

28 posted on 12/21/2003 5:39:50 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: templar
A tad on the expensive side, don't you think?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

29 posted on 12/21/2003 5:40:25 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: Squantos
Damn.....we'll just have to keep lookin'.

Any news about when (or if) Charter's going to make a bobtailed Bulldog (.44 Spl)?

30 posted on 12/21/2003 5:41:43 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: section9
Just put a form Wrongful Death complaint in your safe deposit box, and be a Baysian. Baysians just carry on, except perhaps when it comes to small private planes flown by non instrument certified pilots, or hang gliding, or visiting Gaza with an American flag pinned to their back, and then they just say no.
31 posted on 12/21/2003 5:44:09 PM PST by Torie
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To: Mr. Mojo; harpseal
Nope....our buddy Harpseal is close to that secret .......alledgedly the 2004 SHOT show it'll be unleashed !

Waiting .....tick.....tick.....tick.......

32 posted on 12/21/2003 5:44:15 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Do not buy Glock for concealed carry.

Why not a Glock?

Hb

33 posted on 12/21/2003 5:44:19 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: section9
For Christmas, a little early, I just got a brand new S&W .357 magnum airlite with the smallest frame.

Only have fired it 5 times, but it is a cannon.

Fits in any pocket and is super ultra-lite.

Got the suggestion on another thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1030916/posts

34 posted on 12/21/2003 5:44:50 PM PST by demsux
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To: section9
Here is a suggestion. Your chances of being involved in some kind of 9/11 incident is about 1 in 99 zillion. Take your gun, or guns, to a range and practice till your shoulder gets sore, or your hand trembles. If for some reason you are the one in 300 million citizens who gets to be a hero, I suggest that you immediately purchase a powerball lottery ticket, and stay the hell out of thunder storms.
35 posted on 12/21/2003 5:44:56 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: section9
Launch some 12ga. Buckshot at LONG range some time...you may be amazed.

Also, a Poly-Choke does some wonderful things for "reach" in any gauge and load...I once dropped a large Pheasant at 100 yards with a 20 ga. set on Extra Full. You will love owning one...until you blow it off with a slug, forgetting to open up the setting.
36 posted on 12/21/2003 5:46:12 PM PST by PoorMuttly (KAKKATE KOI !)
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To: templar
"Anti-aircraft missle. More than one if you can get 'em in your pocket."

Here we keep 'em in the fanny pack.

37 posted on 12/21/2003 5:47:24 PM PST by DeathAngel
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To: section9
Carry what you have.

Also, carry a real sharp knife, it has many uses.

38 posted on 12/21/2003 5:47:27 PM PST by LibKill (You are not sheeple. Refuse to be clipped.)
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To: section9; kuma; phasma proeliator
If this thing is anything like their 5 inch tactical, it'll do the job.

The 5 inch tactical shoots like a dream, hardly any rise.

Be vigilant.
39 posted on 12/21/2003 5:47:36 PM PST by da_toolman (Islam is to peace as a dog is to your leg.)
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To: Hoverbug
Buy 'n carry and use what "works" for .........you !

My choice of the 1911A1 is my choice. But what ever you choose shoot ,practice and clean at least once a week . Minimum !

Stay Safe !

40 posted on 12/21/2003 5:48:39 PM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Plenty of .45 wrapped in a 1911A1 model of your choice. Do not buy Glock for concealed carry.

Sure didn't take long for the Hari Krishnas to show up ;o)

41 posted on 12/21/2003 5:50:24 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: billhilly
We all know the actual chance of getting to shoot a raghead in rural America are even lower than Ralphie"s likelyhood of killing all of Black Bart's gang with his Range model carbine action 200 shot red ryder air rifle.

But we can still dream can't we?

42 posted on 12/21/2003 5:51:00 PM PST by yarddog
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To: kuma
Unfortunately I do not own a firearm "yet". I know, I know... it's almost more than a right, a duty.

Owning a firearm is like having fire insurance -- if you wait until you actually need it, you won't be able to get it

A well-made, inexpensive used revolver would be a good first choice. Anything by S&W, Ruger, or Taurus in .38 or .357. Simple to operate, ammo can be bought cheap so you can practice often.

Realisticly, I don't expect swarms of Jihadis in our neighborhoods -- that would be brought to a stop right quick. Perhaps more like suicide bombers in malls, or walking into Christmas Eve church services. Most valuable would be the assertiveness to challenge somebody who obviously does not "belong" and see if this makes him suspiciously nervous. By "challange" I don't mean draw on somebody without cause, but if a young middle-eastern-type tries to walk into evening Mass wearing a bulky trenchcoat, a "Hi there! Haven't seen you around before -- did you just move in?" would seem appropriate

43 posted on 12/21/2003 5:53:22 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me, had better run away real fast)
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To: section9
No change in this household; we'll continue practicing what we've heard described as the ".38 special lifestyle" - Go about one's business, don't get into confrontations over traffic situations, etc, and have a good ol' .38 special handy just in case you need it, and the vast odds are that you won't. Leave the serious hardware at home in the safe where it belongs. One obvious addendum to the above is to avoid "suspicious" types, regardless of their demeanor.
44 posted on 12/21/2003 5:53:42 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: Woahhs
Sure didn't take long for the Hari Krishnas to show up ;o)

That was sweeet!

Well done. I bow and scrape in your general direction.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

45 posted on 12/21/2003 5:54:10 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: templar
Winchester 120 Pump with plug removed and loaded with #4, #2, #4, #2...real close to the bedside...Ruger Security Sic .357 Mag with 158 grain JHP Home Defender ammo and an extra speeloader full of same...Beretta Model 96 Inox .40 S&W, Federal Home Defender JHPs...two mags full...and for easy carry and conceal (law be damned!), a Bersa Thunder .380 loaded with 90 grain JHPs.

In the cabinet: Marlin 336CS 30/30 with 170 grains, Savage 110E with remingtom Hi-Shok 180s, Remmington ADL .270 with 170 grain Hi-Shocks, a sweet Lanbar 12 Ga O/u (it ain't loaded...that's my ringbeck gun!), and an older 20 Ga. pump, two .22 LRs...a Ruger with 50 round banana clip, and a Marlin Model 60 tube fed...both accurate.

Now if I can locate some Claymores and a few frags....
46 posted on 12/21/2003 5:54:19 PM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: yarddog

47 posted on 12/21/2003 5:54:33 PM PST by da_toolman (Islam is to peace as a dog is to your leg.)
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To: section9
Have the .38 5-shooter under the mattress loaded. Only 20 rounds back up. Guess I'll be hitting the store tomorrow.

(Santa, about that 30-30 I wanted for Christmas??)

48 posted on 12/21/2003 5:55:11 PM PST by kstewskis (66 more days until Lent and "The Passion" is released...and no I am NOT giving up Mel for Lent!)
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To: section9
I'm carrying an extra bar of Irish Spring.
49 posted on 12/21/2003 5:55:38 PM PST by Redcloak ()
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To: NMFXSTC
Winchester 120 Pump with plug removed and loaded with #4, #2, #4, #2...real close to the bedside...Ruger Security Sic .357 Mag with 158 grain JHP Home Defender ammo and an extra speeloader full of same...Beretta Model 96 Inox .40 S&W, Federal Home Defender JHPs...two mags full...and for easy carry and conceal (law be damned!), a Bersa Thunder .380 loaded with 90 grain JHPs.

In the cabinet: Marlin 336CS 30/30 with 170 grains, Savage 110E with remingtom Hi-Shok 180s, Remmington ADL .270 with 170 grain Hi-Shocks, a sweet Lanbar 12 Ga O/u (it ain't loaded...that's my ringbeck gun!), and an older 20 Ga. pump, two .22 LRs...a Ruger with 50 round banana clip, and a Marlin Model 60 tube fed...both accurate.

Jesus Christ Almighty!

So when you take down bin Laden, can I watch? No, really, that's a sweet collection you've got there.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

50 posted on 12/21/2003 5:58:53 PM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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