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Teenagers offer cheap sex (New Zealand prostitution)
New Zealand Herald ^ | 7/10/04 | STEPHEN COOK

Posted on 07/10/2004 1:12:48 PM PDT by wagglebee

A year after a law change designed to get prostitutes off the street, a price war driven by teenage sex workers has flared up on the streets of South Auckland.

Market forces appear to be driving street prostitution as teenagers, some as young as 12, compete alongside seasoned sex workers - with tumbling prices the result.

Rather than pushing sex workers into legalised brothels, a Weekend Herald inquiry has found the new legislation has done little to discourage street prostitution.

This is especially true in pockets of South Auckland, where the Manukau City Council has been forced to shelve plans to ban sex workers from the street because of legal advice that the move might breach the Bill of Rights and the one-year-old Prostitution Reform Act.

While there is no hard evidence of an explosion of child prostitution since the decriminalisation of the industry a year ago, there have been reports of teenagers selling themselves for as little as $20.

"We can't expect to get $100 when these young things are offering it for much less just around the corner," said South Auckland prostitute, Cindy, who has been working the streets for 15 years.

Prostitutes spoken to by the Weekend Herald on the streets of South Auckland this week say that young streetworkers are muscling in on their patch and undercutting the competition by offering sex at less than a quarter of the usual price.

Where once a sex worker could expect $100 for her services, many were having to settle for $20 - or even less for oral sex.

Mama Tere Strickland, a transgender former sex worker who runs social agency Te Aronga Hou, said the streets of South Auckland had become "a highway of cheap love" with girls being coerced into the business by "pimp" boyfriends.

"These kids know there is a demand out there so they see themselves as prized possessions," Strickland said. "I am not exaggerating. It's a virtual free-for-all in South Auckland. These kids have no hope and no futures."

Many came from backgrounds of abuse and were out there to escape domineering parents and make a few bucks to feed their habits.

Decriminalisation had done nothing to deter young sex workers. Although soliciting was still illegal for anyone under the age of 18, it was nearly impossible to know who was of age, Strickland said.

Teri, a South Auckland prostitute who has been plying her trade for 20 years, said the street scene had changed dramatically in the past 12 months. The streets were now predominantly occupied by teenagers eager to make fast money.

But Auckland Prostitutes Collective head Kate Dickie was sceptical of suggestions that decriminalisation of the industry had led to aggressive competition on the streets. "Charging less does not mean more work. It just means you work harder for the same money."

Her colleague, Annah Pickering, a spokesperson for the collective's Outreach programme, said streetworkers made up only 8 per cent of the Auckland sex trade.

However, she often saw 14 and 15-year-old girls on the streets. Most were Maori and Pacific Islanders and came from homes where there was mental, physical and sexual abuse.

"For them it is about survival. It can be safer on the streets for these kids than it is in their own homes."

Inspector Bruce Bird of the South Auckland police said there were possibly slightly more prostitutes on the streets since the industry was decriminalised a year ago. But from a policing perspective there were the same issues in terms of dealing with crime and disorder.

"Unfortunately, prostitution does attract undesirables, which in turn creates more crime and disorder," he said.


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This is very sad. The leftist in America should understand that this is what will happen if their plans to legalize prostitution in an effort to make it "safer" succeed.
1 posted on 07/10/2004 1:12:49 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: shaggy eel

Pingy!


2 posted on 07/10/2004 1:15:38 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (..dirty little secret: John Edwards blow dries his hair)
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There will be an AIDS epidemic, if not already. I don't feel sorry for em onne da#n bit.


3 posted on 07/10/2004 1:16:17 PM PDT by meanie monster
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To: wagglebee

They did it in Nv and it has not stopped the street walkers even though they are in violation of the law. It did clean up the brothels I understand..but what good is that if they still walk the streets?


4 posted on 07/10/2004 1:16:52 PM PDT by crz
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To: wagglebee
many were having to settle for $20 - or even less for oral sex.

Someone should teach these young women how to design handbags.

5 posted on 07/10/2004 1:22:14 PM PDT by scouse
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To: wagglebee
"We can't expect to get $100 when these young things are offering it for much less just around the corner," said South Auckland prostitute, Cindy, who has been working the streets for 15 years.

Does anyone have the progressive photos of the prostitute was arrested over and over? After 15 years on the street is it any wonder the customers go for younger, fresher, cheaper hookers?

And the girls are selling it so cheap because (A) they likely live at home (or a cheap hostel) and (B) they've been brought up to "understand" that sex isn't worth much (it certainly isn't prized or cherished, plenty of people just give it away).

6 posted on 07/10/2004 1:22:48 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee
Where once a sex worker could expect $100 for her services, many were having to settle for $20 - or even less for oral sex.

"As a sex worker, I find this exploitation to be degrading! How cheap do they think I am???"

7 posted on 07/10/2004 1:24:03 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee
arging less does not mean more work. It just means you work harder for the same money."

Old joke:

Hooker: "It was a rough night! I only made seventy dollars and fifty cents!"

Pimp? "Huh? Which one of 'em was it that gave you the fifty cents?"

Hooker: "They all did!"

9 posted on 07/10/2004 1:26:48 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee
But Auckland Prostitutes Collective head Kate Dickie was sceptical of suggestions that decriminalisation of the industry had led to aggressive competition on the streets. "Charging less does not mean more work. It just means you work harder for the same money."

Can Someone who speaks english translate that for me?

10 posted on 07/10/2004 1:27:12 PM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: weegee

Yeah, after 20 years walking the streets, a hooker is going to look pretty "used up." On the other hand, when it is really tried (as Guiliani did with Times Square), prostitution can be reduced.


11 posted on 07/10/2004 1:27:20 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Sounds like a situation where minority youth especially are being victimized.


12 posted on 07/10/2004 1:27:23 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: wagglebee
"Unfortunately, prostitution does attract undesirables, which in turn creates more crime and disorder," he said.

The same could be said of homosexuals and drug addicts.

13 posted on 07/10/2004 1:28:28 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: AlbertWang; Dooner82

I think it means: they do the same amount of degrading work for less money.


14 posted on 07/10/2004 1:29:31 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: crz

In Las Vegas they keep child prostitutes off the Vegas Strip by enforcing a curfew for anyone under 18 after 10PM.


15 posted on 07/10/2004 1:30:18 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee
Unfortunately, prostitution does attract undesirables

Translation: the "hot" sluts become "trophy" second wives or girlfriends for wealthy middle-aged men.

16 posted on 07/10/2004 1:31:52 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

When one has established the fact of what they are willing to do for money, the only thing left to decide is the price.


17 posted on 07/10/2004 1:32:26 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: scouse
"...how to design handbags."

Hehe...

But who's going to teach them how to successfully market them?

18 posted on 07/10/2004 1:34:31 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: wagglebee

What's your minimum wage, dear?

Government is not the answer, Sheryl.


19 posted on 07/10/2004 1:34:44 PM PDT by auboy (The U.S. Senate… perfect experience for joining a country club.)
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To: wagglebee
Yeah, after 20 years walking the streets, a hooker is going to look pretty "used up." On the other hand, when it is really tried (as Guiliani did with Times Square), prostitution can be reduced.

Sounds like the day I was really thirsty but passed up a chance to buy sour milk. Who in their right mind would pay to have sex with Rudy?

20 posted on 07/10/2004 1:35:41 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: wagglebee
"The leftist in America should understand that this is what will happen if their plans to legalize prostitution in an effort to make it "safer" succeed."

Prostitution has been legal here in Alabama for the last 200 years, yet you'd be hard-pressed to find a single hooker if you drove around all night.

It's not the law. It's what is in your heart.

The boom in prostitution hasn't come *because* of the change in laws, but rather, becuase the liberal culture is convincing children to pursue paths that are dangerous to them.

Even in this article, if you read between the lines, you can see that what they are complaining about is that *children* are now charging for sex.

Forget laws. When should parents ever let *children* do such things? No sane parent would...which means that the parents are either missing or not sane.

So focusing on the *law* itself takes your eye off of the ball. The law isn't the problem...society (or the breakdown of it) is. Thus, the problem is far deeper than merely some new change in a law.

There has been a change in society, and not for the better.

21 posted on 07/10/2004 1:35:54 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
It's not that children are being sexually exploited that bothers them, it is that capitalism is thriving in a nation that is trying its hardest to go socialist.

The Sex Positive Agenda seeks to have people sexually active at every age (abstinence is "unhealthy" in their eyes because it is a suppression of desires).

22 posted on 07/10/2004 1:40:40 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Southack

I agree completely. The "sexual" revolution, sex education in schools and biggest of all, eight grueling years of Clinton has taught young people that sex is merely a part of life. Kids are taught to experiment with all types of sex (especially homosexuality), in order to establish a sexual "identity." It's sickening, and without a real attitudinal change in society, it is likely to get worse.


23 posted on 07/10/2004 1:42:26 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: AlbertWang; Dooner82
"Charging less does not mean more work. It just means you work harder for the same money."

If a prostitute charges $40 for a BJ and can serve up as many as 36 of them in a 6 hour period, she potentially makes $1440 in a 6-hour period of time.

    36 customers X $40 = $1440
If another prostitute charges only $20 for a BJ and also works a "6-hour shift," she must serve twice as many customers per hour in order to make the same money.
    72 customers X $20 = $1440
The second prostitute has worked harder for the same money.
24 posted on 07/10/2004 1:43:56 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
The second prostitute has worked harder for the same money.

But the quality of the service has diminished from 10 minutes each to only 5.

25 posted on 07/10/2004 1:49:17 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: wagglebee

Sex workers? Are you kidding me?


26 posted on 07/10/2004 1:52:07 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: wagglebee
The leftist in America should understand that this is what will happen if their plans to legalize prostitution in an effort to make it "safer" succeed.

Bulls---.

The problem is that the police have decided not to crack down on streetwalkers. A combination of legalizing prostitution in registered brothels and a hard-line approach to streetwalkers would work fine (and it is working well in Nevada).

27 posted on 07/10/2004 1:55:12 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Bonaparte
She's going to find more "Johns" at $20 than she will at $40 (actually $100). She may have had to stand on the corner for 8 hours to make that kind of money (how many hours were spent just waiting for a John with money to come by?).

You also forget that quite often they are addicts. They work long enough to get a fix and maybe some food. They don't do this because it is a glamorous lifestyle or because they are nymphos.

I doubt that they are pulling thousands in a day on the street. Likely, they used to be able to get enough money after 2 or 3 tricks and now they must work longer to get the same money for a fix/rent/etc.

28 posted on 07/10/2004 1:55:24 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Southack
Prostitution has been legal here in Alabama for the last 200 years, yet you'd be hard-pressed to find a single hooker if you drove around all night.

Really? Try driving down South Boulevard tonight in Montgomery. And I believe it is illegal. They showed cops busting hookers and pimps on MPD (like the show Cops, but featuring the Montgomery PD) recently.

29 posted on 07/10/2004 1:57:53 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: xm177e2
When I've gone to Vegas (1999-2003) I've seen prostitutes walking the strip (they won't speak first but they will eye you) and I've seen the silent men handing out escorts cards and publications.

I've also heard that many of the casino dance clubs (which charge upwards of $20 for men to enter) have a large number of prostitutes who come in (ladies are permitted free at these bars). I didn't visit any of them (big name dance clubs too) so I did not personally observe them. My friends and I did see some women who seemed to be prostitutes at the hotel bar.

I doubt that all prostitution occurs outside of the Vegas city limits (as required by law). It is also not the perception I got from the locals I talked to.

30 posted on 07/10/2004 2:00:50 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee

Looks like the market is picking its price.


31 posted on 07/10/2004 2:02:08 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ciexyz

That's exactly what it is, something like the UN 'Sex for Food' program.


32 posted on 07/10/2004 2:05:03 PM PDT by cyborg (the NYT is slipping down the hypotenuse of relevancy)
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To: weegee

LOL, that is a good old joke!


33 posted on 07/10/2004 2:05:33 PM PDT by jocon307 (Nor forgive!)
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To: wagglebee

The Liberal Delimma......

Right to Privacy = Whore Free Trade


34 posted on 07/10/2004 2:05:41 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Southack
Prostitution has been legal here in Alabama for the last 200 years

This link indicates otherwise: Alabama Prostitution Law. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

It's not the law. It's what is in your heart.

Exactly.

35 posted on 07/10/2004 2:05:52 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: wagglebee
On the other hand, when it is really tried (as Guiliani did with Times Square), prostitution can be reduced.

Or when it is really tried, as in Holland, legalized prostitution can be pretty safe. Pimping, underage and slave-trade prostitution is still illegal, and all enforcement concentrates on those, leaving the regular working girls alone.

36 posted on 07/10/2004 2:07:06 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Southack
Southack said: "Prostitution has been legal here in Alabama for the last 200 years..."

I didn't know that.

Is it only legal in licensed brothels? That seems unlikely if it has been legal for 200 years.

Is it similarly legal in any neighboring states or is Alabama unique in this respect? If unique, is there some history that would explain this?

37 posted on 07/10/2004 2:08:58 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Alas Babylon!
Pimps are illegal in Alabama, and several cities (plus at least one county) outlaw prostitution itself here, but statewide it's legal.

Always has been.

Always will be.

But the great irony is that you'll find the hookers in those few areas where it is against the law. Again, it isn't the law that has anything to do with it; it's what is in hearts and minds. Those are the areas where society has broken down...the law is merely a band-aid attempt to patch up something more *fundamental* that is already broken.

38 posted on 07/10/2004 2:09:45 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: weegee

GOOD! Do they keep ALL prostitutes off the streets?


39 posted on 07/10/2004 2:10:01 PM PDT by crz
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To: k2blader
Yeah, I had heard something about that bill (which passed the legislature in some form). Don't recall if the Governor signed it back in 2001 or if it got bottled up in parliamentary procedures or what, though. There was some talk that it's final version only applied to one county, anyway.
40 posted on 07/10/2004 2:16:41 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: wagglebee

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Yea, right.


41 posted on 07/10/2004 2:21:35 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED ( Public Serivce announcement for Kerry supporters::GO CHENEY YOURSELF)
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To: wagglebee
I think this story offers a glimpse into what might happen should drugs be legalized here. Many who support such an idea argue that drug trade related crime and gangbang activity would come to a screeching halt. I have always argued otherwise. I don't think the gangs would just go away. Drug dealers would simply cater to a demand that laws would still prohibit- selling to underage users, supplying more powerful drugs, etc.
42 posted on 07/10/2004 2:21:39 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: ErnBatavia
Auckland Prostitutes Collective head Kate Dickie

If that's her real name...

43 posted on 07/10/2004 2:26:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Southack
I also couldn't tell from that link either whether or not the Governor had signed it. Your comment interested me as I didn't realize prostitution is legal in some states.

I think prostitution law *should* be an issue left to the states. It's one reason I'll likely never vote Libertarian. Some (L)'s, and perhaps even the party platform itself, support making prostituion a "constitutionally protected right" like SCOTUS did recently with sodomy.

44 posted on 07/10/2004 2:36:25 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: wagglebee

"Decriminalisation had done nothing to deter young sex workers."


Bwahahahahahahahaaha! No sh!t!


45 posted on 07/10/2004 2:42:27 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: wagglebee
Teenagers offer cheap sex

I'm not surprised. It's a tough market down there. I mean, in some areas, they're competing against sheep.

46 posted on 07/10/2004 2:46:34 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Lovin' ewe is easy 'cause ewe're beautiful...makin' love with ewe is all I want to do....")
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To: meanie monster

"There will be an AIDS epidemic, if not already. I don't feel sorry for em onne da#n bit."


I do feel sorry for the situation there Gov't has put these kids in...


47 posted on 07/10/2004 2:51:44 PM PDT by Hotdog
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To: RichInOC
It's a tough market down there. I mean, in some areas, they're competing against sheep.

 
You got a problem with sheep?

 


48 posted on 07/10/2004 2:55:36 PM PDT by Fintan (Someday we'll look back on this moment and plow into a parked car.)
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To: wagglebee

"Sex Workers" I guess we now have a new euphemism. In western society great energy used to be spent on the invention, manufacturing and production of material wealth. Today, the same energy-(perhaps even more energy than formerly!)-is spent on the invention, manufacture and production of new words for vice. If it was not so tragic it would be a circus!


49 posted on 07/10/2004 2:56:20 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: wagglebee
Where once a sex worker could expect $100 for her services, many were having to settle for $20 - or even less for oral sex.

1 USD = 1.52114 NZD

bill clinton is probably on the first airplane heading down there as we speak.

50 posted on 07/10/2004 2:59:24 PM PDT by Gritty ("Men die by the calendar, but nations die by their character." - John Armor)
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