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Was Lincoln Gay?
History News Network ^ | 6-10-01 | By W. Scott Thompson

Posted on 11/20/2004 9:46:35 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm

Was Lincoln Gay? By W. Scott Thompson Mr. Thompson is a professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University.

What drives our great to greatness? We search, and find hope and humanity, unassuageably-remembered hunger, driving fear; but sometimes the mystery goes deeper to presiding emotions unmistakable in their power but strangely indeterminate in their form. In the present case Abe Lincoln passed from death into a demigod of national might and righteousness, and now makes him the canonic hero of liveliest sympathy and spiritual growth. And neither depiction--better still a union of the two--rings false. We examine the powerful and never inaccessible information that makes startlingly clear a great suffering; we see this in turn become the source of power which moves this parched great spirit into worldly greatness while maintaining his humanity; and are forced to conclude that he could never come to personally satisfying terms with the active homosexuality which he sacrificed to prudence and ambition on the threshold of his career. But where he faltered and brought grief to others beside himself in his private life he gloriously overcame in his public life. And this is news still without dignity, unwelcome to most sectors of our society.....

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To: Miss Behave
May Jesus help you resolve the issues which trouble you this night. Amen

(Hey, we all need a little help now and then)

81 posted on 11/21/2004 12:15:58 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm all FOR Global Warming! Bring it ON!)
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To: mbennett203

I absolutely, categorically DARE you to go get on DU and post a set of instructions for Demonrats on how to infiltrate churches and pretend they're Christians so they can convince Christians to vote for Hitlary. I DARE you. (or anybody else for that matter...)


82 posted on 11/21/2004 12:18:40 AM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: mbennett203
Wow, rewriting history is fun :D

...so this is why Liberals are so content in the face of demise. Treat lying as just another color in the wheel. Be amazed at your own creativity. So sofisticated. So Sofistricated.

83 posted on 11/21/2004 12:20:12 AM PST by The Real Eddie01 (Man, do I hate corruption.)
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To: Ma3lst0rm

It seems to me that there is a gay agenda that most liberals, especially from Hollywood, want to foist upon the American public. I have just read about Oliver Stones recent movie, a movie in which Alexander the Great is portrayed as gay. This doesn't surprise me. It seems that Hollywood and the entertainment industry have for some time tried to soften American public perceptions of gays, have tried to make the gay lifestyle acceptable to public taste. This is done through the media and can be seen through the various media outlets. For example, Spears, Christine and Madonna lesbian kissing for the youngsters on MTV, lesbian scenes in big Hollywood movies (Hours, Monsters, etc.), Will and Grace on TV (which supposedly follows Friends, and have you notice the latest effeminate male adds for Friends!). All this was coming out of Hollywood at the same time as the gay marriage issue and presidential election was heating up. It no surprise then that the Hollywood elite had given their support to Kerry and hoped he would support gay marriage one he became president (if Kerry was initially against gay marriage, he'd no doubt flip flop). This media blitz has been well orchestrated. The Hollywood elite wants to push the liberal agenda, especially on the issue of gay marriage. I'm sure they believe in the power of their media to control your thoughts, sell you an identity, repackage history, control you through emotion and sex. Their arrogance and imperialism know no bounds. But, thankfully, America won't suffer this burden.


84 posted on 11/21/2004 12:28:19 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Smokin' Joe
"May Jesus help you resolve the issues which trouble you this night. Amen (Hey, we all need a little help now and then)"

Joe, thank you so much for your kind words. You have no idea what they mean to me. I am so glad that I read your post before I went to bed. Thank you so much--you have helped me tonight. Good night to you, Joe. Mine will be better now.

85 posted on 11/21/2004 12:43:07 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Restorer
Not to go into excessive detail, but [Hitler] was apparently masochistic and fascinated with feces.

Good Lord, you can could probably say that about 90 percent of the German population!

My brother and his German wife had one child, whom they toilet trained at about age 2. Following the experience, my brother told me it was impossible to take the little girl into a hardware store, because every time she saw a toilet she would start screaming uncontrollably.

86 posted on 11/21/2004 8:12:03 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
And, lest I forget -- the Three Stooges. As my wife pointed out while we were watching them tonight, they always slept together.

In one of the Stooges' shorts there's a Curly line where he says, "If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking 'till you do suck seed!"

87 posted on 11/21/2004 8:14:08 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Restorer

The whole Nazi movement was infested with gays. But paradoxically they were also anti-gay. There were two, antithetical types, the macho variety and the more fey types. It was the latter types whom they hated.


88 posted on 11/21/2004 2:03:51 PM PST by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

The characters in "Will and Grace," and the like are stereotypes. The humor is often self-deprecating so that the gay characters are is no way threatening to the watcher. The only tragioc figures in most scripts are the ones who are in the closet or estranged from their parents.


89 posted on 11/21/2004 2:15:25 PM PST by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: RobbyS

Three comments:

Lincoln-Lincoln-Bo-Bincoln, Banana-Pana-Po-Pincoln,
Fee-Fie-Fo-Mincoln......LINCOLN!

Did you all know that Gore Vidal's favorite place to hang is at the Lincoln Memorial? j/k

Come out, come out, wherever you are!


90 posted on 11/25/2004 11:19:11 PM PST by Randy Papadoo (Do'nt be stoopid!)
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To: The Real Eddie01
Abe Lincoln was secretly in love with Marx.

Your humor is well taken, however I should note that you inadvertently stumbled onto a historical curiosity with that one. Don't mistake me - I don't believe that Lincoln was ever secretly in love with Marx and as far as I know the only time the two ever directly encountered each other was when Lincoln's ambassador to England sent Marx a thank you note on Lincoln's behalf after Marx had written Lincoln to congratulate him over his reelection.

Reverse the names in your comment, however, and you are onto something. Karl Marx had a very bizarre fondness for the person of Abe Lincoln and, despite living an ocean away, seized onto Lincoln in 1861 as one of the president's earliest European fans and wrote hundreds of pages worth of editorials, letters, and political notes about the U.S. president. They are loaded with gushy flowery language of praise and adoration - the type that Marx reserved only for his beloved proletariat.

91 posted on 11/28/2004 12:11:27 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Restorer
ot to go into excessive detail, but he was apparently masochistic and fascinated with feces.

I seem to recall that there is fairly credible evidence that Hitler was a syphylitic - a condition that would potentially be both a product of and a contributer to his unconventional sexual relationships.

Oddly enough, there is also a good volume of evidence that Lincoln suffered from syphilis, or at least believed himself to. He once confided the belief that he contracted it to Herndon and is known to have been a consumer of mercury pills - a common 19th century treatment for the disease. His wife Mary Todd is also believed by many to have suffered and perhaps contracted it from him - which would explain her mental insanity later in life.

92 posted on 11/28/2004 12:16:58 AM PST by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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