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No Oscar battle for 'Passion' partisans; activists will be watching Hollywood (Christians on alert)
cnn.com ^ | 1/27/05 | Thom Patterson

Posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:26 PM PST by Liz


"The Passion of the Christ," starring Jim Caviezel and directed by Mel Gibson, earned more than $370 million.

(CNN) -- Internet Christian soldiers are admitting defeat in their battle to win a best picture Oscar nomination for "The Passion of the Christ" -- but their campaign to influence Hollywood goes on.

Web sites supporting Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus' final hours -- the eighth-highest grossing American film of all time -- failed to convince enough Oscar voters that it deserved a best picture nomination.

The movie did, however, garner nomination nods for musical score, makeup and cinematography.

"Hollywood has spoken. 'Don't mess with us,' is what they're saying," said Jennifer Giroux of seethepassion.com. " 'Don't mess with us because we will not consider your talent if you do anything that is Christian,' is the message that's coming out."

Giroux, 42, is a married mother of nine. From her home computer in Cincinnati, Ohio, she -- and thousands of activists across the nation -- pressured theaters to show the film. Then, they worked to get the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to nominate it for best picture. Some 22,000 people posted comments on Giroux's Web site.

Patrick Hynes, a married, 32-year-old father and advertising copywriter, collected 25,000 signatures on a petition on his Web site, passionforfairness.com. He sent it to the academy -- but received no response.

Disappointed by the announcement of Oscar nominees on Tuesday, the groups briefly considered boycotting movie theaters and targeting companies that will advertise on the ABC Oscar broadcast on February 27 in hopes of demonstrating some economic muscle.

"I briefly floated the idea of a boycott of Hollywood --- and certainly the Oscars -- but in the end I don't think that would be productive, so I decided against it," said Hynes, who is based in Washington.

Subject to criticism Both Giroux and Hynes accuse the academy of snubbing "Passion" simply because of its Christian theme. But Oscar scholar Tom O'Neil, host of awards handicapping site Goldderby.com, said Christianity had nothing to do with it.

"The faulty premise here among the disciples of 'Passion' is that the movie was worthy," O'Neil said. "The vast consensus of American film critics said it was not worthy -- beginning with The New York Times, which called the movie a 'serious artistic failure.' " (See critics' takes.)

"A movie that got far, far better reviews and made even more money as the seventh-ranking movie of all time -- 'Shrek 2' -- wasn't nominated for best picture either and nobody's outraged about that," he said.

In fact, O'Neil said, "Christian movies historically have done very, very well at the Oscars, going back to best picture winners, 'Going My Way' and 'Ben-Hur.' In recent years, a top Oscar went to somebody portraying a nun in a respectful way -- Susan Sarandon in 'Dead Man Walking.' "

Even before it was released in February 2004, commentators began to criticize "Passion," accusing it of anti-Semitism in its portrayal of the story's Jewish leaders.

"We were troubled ... that it portrayed the Jews, the Jewish community, in a manner that we have experienced historically. Seeing passion plays used to incite not only a passion of love in terms of Christianity, but at the same time, to instill and incite a hatred of the Jews because of deicide," Anti-Defamation League Executive Director Abraham Foxman told CNN at the time.

Some Roman Catholic officials were troubled by the film's graphic nature. "There's so much violence that was part of the script, I mean, the suffering of Jesus is -- I have to say, in my reading of the script, to me, there was a fixation on the suffering, the torture, the brutality done to Jesus," said Sister Mary C. Boys of the Union Theological Seminary.

Gibson -- who directed the film -- denied it was anti-Semitic. He intended the film "to inspire, not offend," he said.

Gibson is deeply religious. He is a member of the Traditionalist Catholics -- a Roman Catholic splinter movement whose followers believe in celebrating Mass in Latin and rejecting the reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

'The politics in Hollywood' Hynes and Giroux -- who are both Roman Catholics -- will still wield their computer mice to promote Christian film fare in Hollywood.

Giroux said that during her recent tiff with Oscar, she learned something along the way.

"I'm just naive in thinking that Hollywood's fair," Giroux said. "That was what I found to be the most disturbing and the most telltale is that obviously the Oscars are about the politics in Hollywood, not about the artistic quality and talent of those that are making the movie."

For his part, Hynes will be watching the film industry -- and using his Web-based platform to spread his message.

"I think, given the success of 'The Passion of the Christ,' other people will start generating some faith-based films," Hynes said. "And we're going to watch to see if those continue to get snubbed and ridiculed and receive the same kind of enmity that Hollywood ladled on Mel Gibson and 'The Passion.' And if they are, we're going to speak out against them."


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KEYWORDS: oscars; thepassion
"Hollywood has spoken. 'Don't mess with us,' is what they're saying," said Jennifer Giroux of seethepassion.com. " 'Don't mess with us because we will not consider your talent if you do anything that is Christian,' is the message that's coming out."

FReepers will be tuning out the Academy awards show. Hollyweirdos need to get the message loud and clear that they have been tolerated in the past only through the good will and forebearance of conservative Christians Those days are over. Hollywarped is in for a rude awakening. Let 'em ponder this.

Christianity is part of the Common, or Natural Law. Therefore it is Christianity that is the basis of our government. Religion of any other type is not synonymous with the American experience of Liberty! Justice James Wilson signer of the Declaration, the Constitution, Original Justice on the U. S. Supreme Court, and the father of the first organized legal training in America.

It is the duty as well as the privilege and interest for our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians to be their representatives, as this is a Christian republic. Justice John Jay Supreme Court Justice

It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was not founded by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here. Patrick Henry

1 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:26 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
In recent years, a top Oscar went to somebody portraying a nun in a respectful way -- Susan Sarandon in 'Dead Man Walking.' "

If Sister Helen Prejean had made a career protesting against abortion instead of capital punishment, any film about her would have depicted her as a flaming lunatic. And the part would NOT have been portrayed by the ever-so-PC Susan Sarandon.

2 posted on 02/09/2005 4:51:18 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98

Excellent point. I can't imagine the Follywood pro-abort savages glorifying a pro-life Catholic nun.


3 posted on 02/09/2005 4:54:38 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: madprof98

You beat me to the punch. "Dead Man Walking" is about as Christian a film as "Farenheit 911."


4 posted on 02/09/2005 4:56:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Just mythoughts; Calpernia; NYer; Blurblogger; geedee; MeekOneGOP; Libloather; Mudboy Slim

On Oscar night, all of the (gag) stars will have to parade by these posters.

The Hollywood puss-faces depicted on the posters look like candidates for a police lineup of serial child molesters. Whoppi SlimFast ex-spokesthing (ach).

5 posted on 02/09/2005 4:57:39 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz

Hollywood is the 'beauty' of the 'beast' system!


6 posted on 02/09/2005 5:22:05 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts; This Just In; Alamo-Girl
THE HOLLYWOOD CREED:

Christians are evil.

Women are to be valued only for their cleavage.

The traditional family is archaic, constricting, with no redeeming value.

Parents that try to guide their children's choices are restrictive. Kids need to be "free".

Extreme movie violence and explicit sex for the thrill of it is good because it is profitable.

Sex between a man and a woman is old-fashioned: threesomes, bestiality, necrophilia, homosexuality are news ways to get a thrill.

Hollywood firmly believes that 24/7 of the sexually salacious and violent TV, movies and music we produce are not harming kids and the culture.

OTOH, we also believe----with the religious fervor of Tammy Faye Baker---- that a single 15-sec commercial will compel tens of millions of Americans into thousands of stores to buy billions of dollars worth of soap, soup, breakfast cereal and cars.

7 posted on 02/09/2005 5:30:35 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz
"The Hollywood puss-faces depicted on the posters look like candidates for a police lineup of serial child molesters."

Damned Commies...we oughtta whup the arses of each and every one of them anti-American THUGS!!

FReegards...MUD

8 posted on 02/09/2005 5:36:11 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim

That's telling 'em. Leftie loonies make you wanna barf.


9 posted on 02/09/2005 5:38:27 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz

LOL...MUD


10 posted on 02/09/2005 5:46:28 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!)
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To: Liz
To give Hollyweird even the slightest glance or credibility would be like throwing pearls to swine.

Personally, I do not hold their view in high regard. In my opinion, the way Mel Gibson transformed the most important event in Christian history from the Bible to the big screen was nothing short of magnificent. And that, along w/the success of the movie despite the Hollyweird elite snubbing it, should be very satisfying for many.

As American's, we have the freedom to spend our money when and where we like. If some of us choose to boycott Hollyweird, I support that choice. But I don't loose sleep at night fretting over how the industry denies being anti-Christian while at the same time spewing out the filth which they do against us, and whether or not I should do this or that to send a message. Besides, they're not listening anyway.

The Lord is the Lord, and no Hollyweird agenda is going to shake Him. It certainly isn't too much for him to handle, and we should feel reassured in that truth.
11 posted on 02/09/2005 7:32:07 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
"There's so much violence that was part of the script, I mean, the suffering of Jesus is -- I have to say, in my reading of the script, to me, there was a fixation on the suffering, the torture, the brutality done to Jesus," said Sister Mary C. Boys of the Union Theological Seminary.

The following quotes represent some of the most unfair statements on Mel Gibson and his film, "The Passion of the Christ."  The selections in each category are in reverse chronological order.

"In a church whose highest leadership has prayed for God's forgiveness for exactly those sins over the past millennium and whose teachings repudiate such practices, the answer can only be no.  The new wine of post-Vatican II teaching cannot be contained in the old wineskins of the pre-Vatican II Passion play that is the film 'The Passion of the Christ.'"

Sun-Sentinel (FL), March 22, 2004; Sister Mary C. Boys:

Catholic Ping - Come home for Easter and experience God’s merciful love. Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

American Catholic - Lent Feature

12 posted on 02/09/2005 7:34:27 PM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer
Disappointed by the announcement of Oscar nominees on Tuesday, the groups briefly considered boycotting movie theaters and targeting companies that will advertise on the ABC Oscar broadcast on February 27 in hopes of demonstrating some economic muscle.

Well, I won't watch it. Wish more people do the same.

13 posted on 02/09/2005 7:39:22 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: This Just In; NYer; missyme
....the way Mel Gibson transformed the most important event in Christian history from the Bible to the big screen was nothing short of magnificent.....

Brilliant moviemaking.....production values were outstanding......the tear dropping from heaven was inspired, as one memorable example.

Mel had a very difficult subject matter that was known and loved by by millions upon millions of Christians and had to overcome aspects of tranferring the story to the big screen---no easy task.

Mel mastered all the nuances of the original story and mounted a visual, technical and and literate masterpiece.

14 posted on 02/09/2005 7:44:33 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Grampa Dave; Salvation; martin_fierro
Both Giroux and Hynes accuse the academy of snubbing "Passion" simply because of its Christian theme. But Oscar scholar Tom O'Neil, host of awards handicapping site Goldderby.com, said Christianity had nothing to do with it. "The faulty premise here among the disciples of 'Passion' is that the movie was worthy," O'Neil said. "The vast consensus of American film critics said it was not worthy -- beginning with The New York Times, which called the movie a 'serious artistic failure.' "

Yeah, sure like the NYT is unbiased. Or did Jayson Blair write that review sitting in his apartment?

15 posted on 02/09/2005 7:49:52 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz
I should mention that in my home there's no t.v. I do have a television set to watch DVD's and video's, but no t.v. programming.

But even if I did, I wouldn't waste my time on 99.9% of the rubbish that is being showed on the tube, which is why I got rid of cable in the first place.Though I must admit, I do miss The Food Network.
16 posted on 02/09/2005 7:54:50 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: This Just In

Oh yes, I forgot...........Sue Thomas FBEye


17 posted on 02/09/2005 8:02:31 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: This Just In

Oh yes, I forgot...........Sue Thomas FBEye


18 posted on 02/09/2005 8:03:52 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: This Just In

Good move ridding yourself of cable........most of the stuff on TV is garbage.

There's FoxNews, the History and Discovery Channels, AMC and EWTN....but that's about it.


19 posted on 02/09/2005 8:28:40 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 02/09/2005 8:32:28 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Liz

Have you ever checked out PAX?


21 posted on 02/09/2005 9:23:01 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: This Just In

Yes, I have. On my system, it comes on intermittently. I also get Worship TV.


22 posted on 02/09/2005 10:07:21 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz

I'm not familiar with Worship TV.


23 posted on 02/09/2005 10:08:49 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: This Just In

It's more of a contemplative viewing with no dialogue, all sacred music, written Biblical quotes, and majestic scenery.


24 posted on 02/09/2005 10:12:44 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz

Ah yes, I've seen that channel and enjoyed what I saw.


25 posted on 02/09/2005 11:14:56 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: Liz
There's FoxNews, the History and Discovery Channels, AMC and EWTN....but that's about it.

..... and The Food Network ;-D

26 posted on 02/10/2005 12:48:52 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: Liz; NYer
I spent the weekend watch the most of nominated films, thanks to DVDs and a great second run movie house.

Look, I love "TPOTC" but I'm afraid I have to agree with the fact that it is not one of the best movies of the year.

Granted, it has the greatest subject matter. Granted, it has some great--truly inspired--production values. Overall, however, it is not one of the top five films of the year. But should the Oscars go to movies with the greatest subject matter, ignoring everything else? If so then hundreds of movies have lost out. But many such films have won best picture, including these with religious themes: Ben Hur in 1959, A Man for All Seasons in 1965.

And again, The Academy Awards are industry awards, given by the people who make films for the people who make films, just like Free Republic gives out its Eagle Awards given by Freepers to Freepers. Outside groups should expect to have no more influence over the Oscars than anything else, and they need to get over it.

And frankly, Mel Gibson needs to get over it, or start fighting his own battles. But Mel wants everything his way or else. He makes the film on his own, sets his own time table, then refuses to do anything to garner nominations, exactly what he did for Braveheart, which did win Best Picture. He wants his Oscar nomination, but his way, just like he wants to be a practicing Catholic, but his way. If Mel had wanted the nominations, he could have gotten it by doing what every other film maker does--campaign in the trades. Michael Moore refused to do it, and lost all nominations, although best documentary was probably his for the taking.

Finally, the film industry would have gotten hammered regardless of what happened this year. If films such as "Passion of the Christ", had received nominations, then the Left would be pounding the Academy for pandering to President Bush and the Religious Right.

27 posted on 02/10/2005 2:52:17 AM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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To: NYer

Yummy TV....LOL.


28 posted on 02/10/2005 5:16:06 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Military family member

You cogently underscored the obvious---Hollyweird has a biased, leftist political agenda--and they will punish anyone who dares to utter a discouraging word---or make a film---that contravenes Follywood's iron-handed dicta.

BTW, apparently The Passion was the only film to be booed and hissed when screened for Academy members. Doesn't sound very professional---or objective---to me.


Bravo to Mel for doing it his way.


29 posted on 02/10/2005 5:24:49 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: This Just In
To give Hollyweird even the slightest glance or credibility would be like throwing pearls to swine.

Amen.

30 posted on 02/10/2005 5:35:09 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: Liz

Strange but I did not know that Union Theological Seminary had Nuns?

###"Sister Mary C. Boys of the Union Theological Seminary"###


32 posted on 02/10/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: Liz

"Sister Mary C. Boys, Sisters of the Holy Names and professor of practical theology at Union Theological Seminary"

What does she teach? If it feels good do it theology? I think it used to be called "Situation Ethics"

I did a Google search and it seems her only claim to fame was panning the movie.


33 posted on 02/10/2005 7:30:53 AM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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To: franky

She sounds very confused on all fronts.....including her gender.


34 posted on 02/10/2005 7:31:24 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: NYer

BTW, this post to militarymember was meant for you as well: You cogently underscored the obvious---Hollyweird has a biased, leftist political agenda--and they will punish anyone who dares to utter a discouraging word---or make a film---that contravenes Follywood's iron-handed dicta. ....apparently The Passion was the only film to be booed and hissed when screened for Academy members. Doesn't sound very professional---or objective---to me. Bravo to Mel for doing it his way.


35 posted on 02/10/2005 7:35:59 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: NYer; franky

What's the buzz about "Sr Boys" that franky dug up?

"Sister Mary C. Boys, Sisters of the Holy Names and professor of practical theology at Union Theological Seminary" What does she teach? If it feels good do it theology? I think it used to be called "Situation Ethics" I did a Google search and it seems her only claim to fame was panning the movie.


36 posted on 02/10/2005 7:37:45 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: Liz

O'Neil needs up his Aids Dementia Drugs or reduce them. Obviously, he is totally demented with that arrogant statement.


37 posted on 02/10/2005 7:45:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Military family member
I must disagree w/your comparison between the Academy Awards and Free Republic. The motion picture industry claims that it produces films for ALL audiences, whether these films are based on facts, or fiction. The Academy claims they are open to all points of view, and is not bias. What could be further from the truth.

Free Republic, on the other hand, is a news forum. It's audience is mainly conservative, and Free Republic even states this on it's home page, "Free Republic is the premiere online gathering place for independent grass-roots conservatism....."

It's like comparing apples to oranges with regard to the criteria for which awards are given.

WRT Mr. Gibson "getting over it...", I don't recall him shedding crocodile tears over not making the Academy cut. He's been in the business/game for a number of yrs. and knows how things work, I would venture to guess. I would imagine that he understands how the machine works, and what makes it tick, being part of that machine himself. I am grateful that despite the herd mentally in Hollywood, he stepped out of that mindset and took a chance, and was greatly rewarded for his efforts.
38 posted on 02/10/2005 7:54:02 AM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: Liz

The Oscars are a Joke the films and the Actors are today's Lollipop Trend. The Majority of Americans have chosen through film and politics what we are looking for as a Moral People. I hope the Oscars will have the lowest ratings as IMO it's only the MTV Generation who will be tuning in...

I wonder if the Passion of Christ will be shown during Lent in the Movie Theatres?


39 posted on 02/10/2005 7:55:17 AM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: This Just In
The analogy between the two holds. Both sets of awards are given by the members themselves. Outside groups have little if no influence on who is going to get either nominated or the actual winners.

The Academy awards are by the industry, for the industry; therefore, the Academy determines the rules.

I don't every remember seeing or reading anything claiming that the Academy had a policy that stated it "produced films for ALL audiences, whether these films are based on facts, or fiction."

The academy does not produce films; studios and others with money produce films. The Academy promotes the science and craft of making films.

40 posted on 02/10/2005 12:18:55 PM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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To: Military family member

Upon your clarifying, I must agree with your comparison.

Allow me to explain what I meant by, "produces films......"
The Academy is made up of the indivduals who are involved, to one degree or another, in making films. In my opinion, the industry, which is generally represented by the Academy, views itself as being unbias in it's effort to support the art of film making.


41 posted on 02/10/2005 1:05:04 PM PST by This Just In (In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Amazing what some people will say to suckup to Hollywaste.


42 posted on 02/10/2005 3:31:29 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: This Just In
And for the most part, it does just that. It does support film making as a whole. It supported and promoted the concepts that allowed people like Mel Gibson to create the special features within "Passion." In fact, one of the original concepts of the Academy was to promote the science itself and to encourage growth.

Considering one of the earliest films "Birth of a Nation" glorified the KKK, I would say film making has come a tremendous distance.

And as with most things, the left to right tendencies within Hollywood will swing in the other direction soon enough. It always does.

43 posted on 02/10/2005 8:22:02 PM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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