Posted on 03/25/2005 1:06:54 PM PST by EveningStar
interesting. i had wondered what her take on this was.
TO: sinkspur Thanks for the thread. Thanks for a refuge of sanity here. Conservatives are now doing what the Libs couldn't accomplish. Rip each other apart and risk dragging down the movement. Some have called it a Conservative "Crackup." All I know is that this is extraordinarily painful.
I have fought tooth and nail for this movement for thirty years. Now, with success at hand we are witnessing the coming apart of a very solid coalition of Social, Process, Libertarian, Populist and other "hybrid" Conservatives. The inability of people to deal with different points of view in a very difficult and complex case without vicious insults is very sad.
I feel it would be best to start all over with Terri Schindler's case. I pray the last ditch efforts to replace the feeding tube is succesful. However, I am not happy with the process. I do not believe the Federal Government has any buisness in the case. I despise the hyperbole, the misrepresentation and outright lies that have been concocted to make the case. There is so much misinformation and ignorance out there and it is taken as gospel. It is not pretty. It is not what I expect from Freepers and our Movement.
This situation is causing me great diffculty. I consider myself a Social Conservative, a libertarian and a "Process" Conservative. Thus, this case leaves me incredibly CONFLICTED.
Just being "conflicted" is not enough for many. I have said on the air (KSFO-San Francisco) I support Terri's struggle. We do not starve people to death in this nation. But, to many that's not good enough.If I express reservations of any sort concerning the pro-Terri zealots or discuss my concerns about questions of Federalism issues, I am questioned about my Christianity. Some say "you are brainwashed by "G-D Michael Schiavo"...
I'm a big boy. The critiscm comes with the territory. However, what really hurts is seeing what we have worked for coming undone. The Nation is watching this display and seeing a scene that fits all of their stereotypes of what they believe "The Religious Right" to be. How many of you saw the 10 year old boy handcuffed in Pinellas Park (where I lived when I did a show in Tampa-St.Pete 1980-83)and taken to jail for trying to bring water into the hospice. What do you think the average American thought when viewing that scene? I have interviewed Randall Terry and Bo Gritz over the years. We agree about most issues. However, I find it dissapointing to see them out front and the face of our movement.
It is time to get back to basics. What I have fought for over the years is in jeopardy. I was doing Conservative talk radio before it was "cool." When Rush was "playing the hits."When we were in the wilderness it was easy. Now that we have a good deal of the power our movement has lost its way.
The Republican Party has long since abandoned Conservative principals. It has become a "Governing" Party. Not a Conservative vehicle. The display of Congressional hearings on steroids in baseball followed by the unfortunate Congressional involvement in the Schiavo case is simply the perfect symbols of how we have lost our way.
Conservatism is about the government that governs least governs best. Government is a necessary EVIL. We should be concerned that we have lost sight of the notion of individual Freedom which brought most of us to the Movement. Hayek, Friedman,Kerr et al.
The GOP should concern itself with defending the nation. Providing security in the war on terror, and keeping our military as strong as it can be. The GOP should be about turning back the welfare State, defunding the Left, protecting our borders, cutting our tax burden, and generally downsize the Federal Government.
Activist Judges are a HUGE problem. There is tyranny on the bench. I discuss these out of control unelected officials all the time. However, the Schiavo display is simply providing the Libs with fodder in the battle to keep Bush nominees off the Court. They will appeal to their base and, more importantly, to average middle of the road voters, with "see what you get if these people control our Courts?" The display the extremists are putting on plays right into their hands. And the irony is, I see nothing to suggest there is "judicial Activism" in this case. I know the arguments. I have read the legal particulars ad nauseum. The Judges have simply followed established law and Florida Statutes. They haven't made law. Quinlan and Cruzan have established the guardianship issues. Scalia in Cruzan made it clear. This is NOT A FEDERAL CONCERN.
I have never posted anything remotely as emotional and as lengthy as this in all my year here. I do it because we need some sanity. People of good will can disagree without being called names and worse. Disagree without being disagreeable. This is a very complex and personal issue. People here deserve to be treated with respect. And when the Schiavo ordeal has been resolved I just hope and pray we can come together and move forward to push legislation in the States, where the issue belongs, that clearly protect those who would die such a horrid death. Then Terri Schiavo will not have suffered in vain.
518 posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:00 PM PST by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 352 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
Thats right. Tammy said the parents should have her. She spent a FULL HOUR on thsi last Saturday...
She is really a very very decent person. Los Angeles 4PM Saturday...
i agree, i read her book and have been very favorably impressed. the deafening silence of the women's groups on this case is mindboggling to me. if terri were a lesbian, they would have been in full-thoated bawl against the husband ending her life.
Barry Farber did an excellent job this moring standing in for L.Ingrams
where does he stand?
YOu are absoultey right, anyone of the talk show host could have gotten her out of there, but, that could be risky.
Can't say, as it has been a long time since I've regularly listened to political talk radio.
He did sink to a new low by making fun of her by playing Terri's voice and saying she sounded like a drunk Ted Kennedy. Lots of other nasty comments too.
He also has an afternoon "Chump Line" where he plays different callers messages that are compiled. It's some of the most mean spirited stuff I've ever heard.
Nice knowing you Howie.
I can take or leave Rush but today he was quite eloquent and informed. The idea that he should call for mob action is silly, but he is the best on this issue on any side. Worst is the boob Boortz, who is one of those conservatives who proves the left's bull about rightwingers being closet Nazis.
P.S. No, I'm not saying those against letting Schiavo love are nazis, that kind of rhetoric is irresponsible. I'm just talking about this particular person and his bizarre "logic".
No longer culture of death, it is now society of death. Culture is a part of society and over 50 percent now seem intent on seeing Terri murdered.
During the Terri Schiavo case:
Which radio talk show hosts have been reasonable?
Hannity has been quite informative and for once has had differing opinions on like Baden today. Limbaugh, Ingram and Savage have been very reasonable too. Kondrake deserves a special note as he changed his view this week as he bacame better informed about the case.
Which radio talk show hosts have been unreasonable?
I can not think of any hosts I have heard that I would call unreasonable.
Which radio talk show hosts have been downright irresponsible (accusing Michael of trying to kill Terri, advocating breaking the law, advocating violence, etc?/
The only irresponsible host I have heard has been Boortz who clearly had little information, made up his mind and was not willing to consider additional information. He has been very disappointing to me, not in his view, but in his going on the air about this issue so ill informed. He had to or should have known this was a big issue and he needed to know the facts of the case or the issues in dispute. And of course Juan Williams, Liason etal typically knew nothing of the case, ranting leftist talking points including about forged GOP talking points. BTW, what is unreasonable to about asking how this woman got into this condition and if the person that put her in this condition is making the life and death decision about her, especially with nurse testimony about his behavior when she did not die quickly?
I listen all the time to Lee Rodgers and Melinie Morgan on KSFO, 5 AM to 9:30 AM Pacific time. They are very concerned about Terri, setting a precedent for killing people who are inconvenient or not able to recover. Lee has done all he can at a distance indicating that he would expect to see civil disobedience to increase and that the Bush brothers should exercise some courage and do what is right here.
Um, in case you haven't noticed, Michael is trying to kill Terri.
Its irresponsible to accuse Michael of trying to Kill Terri? I thought that is what he is doing. Oh! Maybe you mean it is irresponsible to say that he tried to kill her back in 1990. In other words, he only lately became blood-thirsty? I don't get it.
I hate to say this, but Sean Hannity proved that he is a lightweight and a sensationalist this week.
You're right about that, Rush could get a big movement going if he wanted to. For some reason, even as recently as last Friday he was not 'up' on the Schiavo case, and left it to his listeners last Friday to comment on it. I think over the weekend he did his research and got up to speed. That having been said, he did a fine job, IMO, this week commenting about the case.
Perhaps he was in a bit of denial that it would ever get this far? I dunno.
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