Don't trust chariots or horses, or Bush brothers, or GOP; they let Terri die and Michael thrive

March 28, 2005 | churchillbuff

[Griptilian]

SSHHHHHHH..... Not so loud!

We need more enemies in the conspiracy.
Keep the facts to yourself, please!

The already wrote the autopsy, dontcha know?

[Griptilian]

and when he snubbed congressional subpeonas?

You're saying Greer has the 'duty' to deliver her for a subpoena from the US Congress?
BWAHAHAHAHA

I've read some nutty crapola tonight but this might just be the winner for most ignorant post.
Nobody in any government has responsibility to keep her alive to go to DC. Further, Greer doesn't know that removal of the feeding tube will prevent her from being there.

Do you have a crystal ball?

[k2blader]

Based on how the "leadership" is acting, I'm pretty sure the GOP will stick with the "but we were just following the law" excuse. No better time than now to keep one's voting options open.

[skr]

Does anyone know what the two appeals are that Gov. Bush is putting through as per Fox News a few hours ago?

[schmelvin]

You know, for years I've wanted to slap you upside the head. This is the first time I've ever agreed with you.

There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. In the Schiavo case, neither the letter nor the spirit of the law is being adhered to.

It is illegal under Florida law to deny Terri food by mouth. The DCF has the legal right do go in there and stop this without getting the court's permission beforehand.

You've called this a coup, and that's exactly what it is. Literally. Greer has that hospice surrounded by a small army, What we have is a real live coup going on in Florida. I wonder if Jeb Bush even realizes this.

[A Balrog of Morgoth]

[HiTech RedNeck]

To declare the hospice a crime scene, I think

[restornu]

I personally believe that Jeb and George demonstrated enormous cowardice in this exchange.

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that is silly talk in order for them to do what you folks wanted the Bush Bros to do they would have had to becomes like the enemy we are fighting and once we step from the rule of law to their ground we lost the support from on high!

Two wrongs don't make a right and it took courage to hang tuff inspite of the snare that the Devicates have tried to lure this nation into!

Get off that Randall Terry saop box he is a jeck and I am annoied that Sean Hannity gave that creep a voice......as a 2nd in command talk show host Hannity should look to a higher souce in the food chain instead of consorting with bottem feeders!

hearing Randall Terry is as creepy as George Felos the schindlers detracted from their caused by Randall being there!

[Saundra Duffy]

You don't like Randall Terry speaking for the Schindler's. Perhaps you will find Jesse Jackson more to your liking. As far as I'm concerned, every single person who tries to do something to save Terri and/or bring attention to the Schindler's plight is a hero - including Randall Terry AND Jesse Jackson, and I never thought I'd say that about the Rev. Jesse Jackson!

[restornu]

It is God who saves us!

What I mean is the Lord brings us into the world he takes us out!

If she was to stay there were many efforts made by good people!

I look at her like "Joan of Ark" her situation was a wake up call to the nation of the awful situation we are in!

What are we as a people going to do after this dies down will we take the gift and make the future right or just wait for the next event?

[GRRRRR]

First, the people of FLA need to impeach Greer if that is what they the people, want to do. If they do nothing, then again, that is their choice.

Next, we need to realize that Pres and Gov. Bush really did everything they could, within the law. Imagine the filthy main stream media going off on them IF they had done something outside the laws as written...you think the MSM is nasty now?

Finally, we need to band together WITH the President and remind him and the GOP, RINO's included, that WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to be in charge, not the Judges!

All this "I'm leaving the GOP and gonna be an Independent" talk is just silly, yeah let's just HAND HILLARY the White House in 2008 and all will be well...yeah, right....sure...

We need to keep on the road because it will take time and energy to undo 40 or 50 years of liberalism...


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[churchillbuff]

The only people who could have saved her was the Florida House/Senate."""

There are some Republican Judases in the Florida Senate - Jim King to begin with. That further confirms my warning not to trust politicians with your safety. Of course, as head of FL GOP, you'd think Jeb could have swung three more GOP senators to the pro-Terri side.

[Rembrandt_fan]

Sorry, Washington_minuteman, but the pompous, self-righteous blather you're posting deserves all the flames it gets. I mean, come on: "...the reality is that, I, and those of us who recognize and submit to God's sovereign authority, can only rightly come boldly before the Throne of Grace, because man's wrath does not work righteousness, bearing our petitions that Terri's life might be spared." Submission to the Lord requires humility, and I see precious little of that in your rambling screed.

And churchillbuff? Why the vanity? There are seemingly innumerable Schiavo threads going on all over Free Republic. Feeling a little lost in the crowd? No one paying attention?

[Washington_minuteman]

To state the fact that the world is loaded with people who do not "recognize and submit to God's sovereign authority" is not being humble? How is it prideful to publicly acknowledge that one's life continues only at the behest of his Creator? Stating that "man's wrath does not work righteousness" is Scriptural Truth.

In my experience, it is the unsaved and the carnal Christians who react in such a manner, because they recognize their own sin being exposed in the confessions of another.

Whatever does not come from faith is sin. (Romans 14:23)

[Rembrandt_fan]

To state that only your 'petition to the Throne of Glory' has weight with the Lord is the height of hubris. Further, you find that those who might disagree with your views are 'the unsaved and carnal Christians'. How convenient. Such a stance allows you to dismiss any counter-argument out of hand since, as you know, anyone who differs with you is automatically one of the wretched damned.

I detest it when someone couches sloppy thinking in smug, high-sounding prose complete with vaguely inappropriate Scriptural references. Can't defend your position in a logically reasoned debate? No problem. Invoke a suitable-sounding Biblical verse and move on.

[Washington_minuteman]

I didn't say that only "my" petetion was of any value. If you read that into my remarks, you did it because you wanted to do so.

As to my dismissal of the counter-arguments, address them from the spiritual frame of reference, not a carnal, worldly frame, and you won't have to feel "dismissed", because that is my frame of reference.

The Scripture I cited is not inappropriate. It applies to every aspect of the Christian's life, as does the following reference:

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb. 4:14)

You want a worldly, carnal "logically reasoned debate". There are many of those here that you may participate in. From me, however, all you'll get is the Light of God's Word shining into every dark place, exposing every secret intent.

What is happening in Florida is warfare in the spiritual plane, and only spiritual weapons have any positive effect.

I am sorry you cannot see it.

[Rembrandt_fan]

Reason is a gift of God. The notion that faith and reason are somehow incompatible is a vicious rumor spread by a malicious Enemy who likes nothing better than to relegate the idea of faith to the level of mindless superstition in the view of nonbelievers. Thus, in my view, disdaining reason as a thing of the 'carnal, worldly frame' is the spiritual equivalent of running away from a fight because you disapprove of the weapons at your disposal. Speaking in amorphous platitudes in lieu of taking it to the opposition with fierce intellect and unassailable argument plays right into his spiteful, bloodstained hands.

'All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.' Playacting the holy man constitutes doing nothing. So come down from the mountaintop, put on that armor Paul talked about, and fight.

[Washington_minuteman]

You're right. Reason is a gift from God. Unfortunately, the world's reason has been corrupted by sin. It's the world's reason that says "we are a nation under the rule of law"; Law which has become so inflexible as to permit the innocent to suffer death by the word of one whose motives may be less than pure, and the will of one who rejects doing the "good", because the paperwork wasn't filed properly.

Godly reason doesn't argue about the "right-to-die", because, since only God gives life, only God has the authority to take life away or to determine the circumstances wherein mankind may act in His stead in such matters. Those circumstances are recorded in the Bible.

Ungodly reason, questions God at every turn (if it acknowledges Him at all), and seeks to dislodge itself from beneath His righteous judgment. You mentioned the armor that Paul spoke of. Let's look at it, and see in what realm it functions.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;(Eph. 6:10-18).

The armor Paul writes of is purely spiritual in nature; designed to wage war in the spiritual realm, against spiritual foes. Although this war manifests itself in the world often, waging it carnally, or against the vessels they use from time to time, accomplishes little, if anything.

So many of the people who disagree with what is happening in Florida fail to understand that the reason Jeb Bush "cannot" act under his God-given authority to preserve life is that his sinful human nature prohibits him from appropriating the spiritual boldness and courage necessary to rebuke the unrighteous judge and his equally unrighteous rulings. And the judge himself was biblically disfellowshipped by his church for his catering to sin. That was an act of spiritual warfare with a worldly manifestation. Both those men need to repent and seek God's wisdom while there is still time.

As for fighting, I have fought in the worldly realm, against spiritual forces, more than a few times. I traveled thousands of miles to lay in the trenches with my comrades and it accomplished nothing; but to move a large rock, which is most likely returned to the place from whence it was moved. It didn't change the ungodly set of laws which placed the welfare of the creature above the welfare of God's highest creation: us. Neither did it restore the flow of life-giving water to the parched fields in the lower Kalamath Valley or save the homes of those farmers.

All those efforts looked good on the evening news, but the efforts were all too soon forgotten. We had fierce intellectual arguments and logic that was truly unassailable at our disposal, yet it was all for naught.

If you're not a born again believer, it's unfair for me to expect you to understand this perspective, and I do not pass judgement on your motives. However, if you are, and from your closing remarks in the first paragraph, I think you may be, then pray. Ask the Father for His wisdom to know weather these things are true. If you feel led to join the people in Florida and the District of Criminals, do so. But join them in prayer. There's no power in heaven or on the earth more effective at disarming the Enemy; nothing he hates more; than two or three Christians believing God together, and trusting in His mercy. The day is coming, and is fast approaching, even now, when God will deal with sin, permanently, and His righteousness will be the "rule of law", the Curse will be removed, and then, He will wipe away all tears.

[Rembrandt_fan]

I understand your perspective completely, but understanding does not imply agreement. And you needn't remind me of the power of prayer. I was a homeless junkie and chronic alcoholic a little more than four years ago (and an atheist, too), at the point of death, and threw myself on my knees and begged for help: Let me die or make me well. Help came, and I'm doing well now, thanks. God completely removed the mental obsession and physical craving of drug addiction and alcoholism from me, perhaps not 'born again' in the Baptist sense of the word, but certainly reborn. So yeah, I understand. I also remember Paul's example: he was out there in the world, taking on all comers, defeating them with truth by words and living example. That is, after all, what spiritual armor is for.

[Washington_minuteman]

I am beginning to see our perspective also, and I desire that there be no animosity between us. We are plaing on the same sheet of music; we're just playing different instruments. Paul taught that we all are given spiritual gifts, but not all are given the same gift.

BTW, I'm not a Baptist. There really isn't a denominational name that fits me, but I refer to myself as a biblicist, for I derive my doctrinal positions and theology from biblical exegesis, not traditions, and I serve in nondenominational, fundamentalist church.

I have been told I write funny. When people meet me, they see that I also talk funny.

Cling to Paul's teachings. He was raised up by God as the Apostle to the Gentiles and his message is directed at us in particular.

Maranatha!