Don't trust chariots or horses, or Bush brothers, or GOP; they let Terri die and Michael thrive

March 28, 2005 | churchillbuff

[Saundra Duffy]

George felos would have done the same thing to Ronald Reagan if he could have gotten is disgusting little hands on him. Thank Goodness for Nancy!

[churchillbuff]

it's about the law, and the confines of office and legislature."""

So you think Greer acted within the "confines of his office" when he used local police to repel a state executive branch agency, and when he snubbed congressional subpeonas?

I think he's a law unto himself - instigating a judicial coup - and I'm just as outraged that the elected branches (led by Jeb in Florida, and W in D.C.) are allowing this usurpation to happen, without response. By going AWOL, they're doing as much to subvert our system of government than the out-of-control judge is doing. And then there's Terri, whose life is being snuffed out by a maniac judge whom the elected officials are too wimpy to countermand.

If you really consider politicians your protectors - and your family's protectors - God help you, and I mean that.

[farmer18th]

then he goes and hides in a rabbit hole. That's not leadership.

Excellent point. If you are up against a media that insists on a constitutional right to die, you need to use the bully pulpit to lead, shape, and guide opinion. This was a nod to pro-life Christians, without any effort to evangelize the dimwit middle, or point out the horrors of Michael Schiavo's record. Watching George Bush argue for life, is something like hearing a diminutive grandmother talking up brussel sprouts at a rave party.

[churchillbuff]

Thje law was on Michael Schiavo's side,""""

NO. When there's a dispute about a "PVS" patient's wishes with regard to life support (including hydration tube), Florida law requires "clear and convincing" evidence that the patient would want support removed. Greer claimed there WAS "clear and convincing" evidence that Terri would want feed and water tube removed. That's a bunch of crap - - there were only a few casual, throwaway statements attributed to her, that didn't address the issue in a considered way - and the only ones who claimed to have heard them were Michael and his bro and bro's wife. Other statements, related by Terri's friend, went the other way. So the evidence was ambiguous - far from "clear and convincing." So the law WASN'T on Michael's side - but dimented (or demonic) Judge Greer was, very much so. It's all very sick - - - even more so because Greer is allowed to get away with this judicial murder by the weak sister politicians from W and Jeb on down.

Friend, I'm serious when I suggest that you don't rely on politicians to protect you. They have other priorities - the first being career and the last being career.

[piasa]

The Lebanese don't miss Reagan. He cut and ran from Lebanon after Syria gave us a bruising and the area's been a bloody pain in the arse for Americans since. Against terrorists, the one thing he did was to bomb Qaddafi, but didn't succeed in killing him, either. It made Qadaffi more timid but as we know and more careful with its associations (Abu Nidal was sent packing back to Iraq ultimately), while Libya continued its quest for nukes with little in its way. Against Iranian and Syrian-backed terrorists, Reagan was ineffective. That's not to say he wasn't a great leader because he was- it's just to point out that he wasn't better than the leaders we have now.

[Echo Talon]

yea, look at his posts over the last few days. Let me know if you know what side hes on.

[Judith Anne]

An excellent post. The answer is, some will stop at nothing to criticize President Bush and his brother. They will use ANYTHING to make EVERYTHING the fault of President Bush and Governor Bush.

[piasa]

You realize that those who participated in the Boston Tea Party took inventory of the damage they did and later paid for the property damage they did in order to avoid being 'outside the law?' Their intent was to make a point, not break the law.

If FR had been around back then there's be folks here who would call them sellouts for giving the money back to the Brits.

[econ_grad]

What makes you think anyone outside her parents cares about what is happening to her?

[kingu]

They will use ANYTHING to make EVERYTHING the fault of President Bush and Governor Bush.

Yeah, don't I know it.. Every time I open up the newspaper, I see a dozen stories noting how everything is Bush's fault. Why not here too? Unbelievable.

[econ_grad]

Don't forget the part of the Declaration that says:"...we pledge our life, liberty and sacred honor." They took up arms against the authority but were willing to lay down everything. You can start a revolution but you have to risk it all.

[MSCASEY]

That is right just like in Germany! They upheld their laws also.

MCD

[quidnunc]

churchillbuff wrote: (Thje law was on Michael Schiavo's side,) NO. When there's a dispute about a "PVS" patient's wishes with regard to life support (including hydration tube), Florida law requires "clear and convincing" evidence that the patient would want support removed. Greer claimed there WAS "clear and convincing" evidence that Terri would want feed and water tube removed. That's a bunch of crap - - there were only a few casual, throwaway statements attributed to her, that didn't address the issue in a considered way - and the only ones who claimed to have heard them were Michael and his bro and bro's wife. Other statements, related by Terri's friend, went the other way. So the evidence was ambiguous - far from "clear and convincing." So the law WASN'T on Michael's side - but dimented (or demonic) Judge Greer was, very much so. It's all very sick - - - even more so because Greer is allowed to get away with this judicial murder by the weak sister politicians from W and Jeb on down. Friend, I'm serious when I suggest that you don't rely on politicians to protect you. They have other priorities - the first being career and the last being career.

If elected officials don't adhere to duly-constituted legal proceeding then they are no better than dictators.

So what happens if the Democrat governor of a state decides to defy court decisions and arbitrarily award the election to his own party in a close election like that of 2000 in Florida?

[Washington_minuteman]

You're not making many friends with your comments, churchillbuff. I'm sure your detractors will just love mine.

What is happening in Florida only adds to the shame each and every person who names the Name of Christ must bear for being asleep at the wheel; for not praying enough; for not being good watchmen at the gates, and for not giving a damn as a cabal of God-hating, lying lunatics crawled out of the gutter of the '60's, after they came down from their last acid-trip, and stole our government and society out of our hands.

I'm sick of the attitudes and motivations of this rotten and perverse secular society and it's unlikely bedfellow, compromised professing Christianity, as are many others. Sadly, I am convinced that, unless God Himself makes intervention directly, Terri will die. The Sanhedrin among us, both religious and secular, and that includes the political wonks, toadies, and fanatic party and personality-loyalists, have always acted hypocritically (which is why Jesus was so hard on them), and all this nonsense about ignoring new evidence because it wasn't "filed properly or timely" reminds me of the people referred to in Romans 1:18-32, especially where Paul writes in verse 22: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".

Although in my flesh I desire above all else to release all the pent-up wrath these past couple of weeks have produced in me, upon those who have perpetrated this atrocity in an "eye-for-an-eye" manner; the reality is that, I, and those of us who recognize and submit to God's sovereign authority, can only rightly come boldly before the Throne of Grace, because man's wrath does not work righteousness, bearing our petitions that Terri's life might be spared. Spared, if for no other reason than, that she might have the opportunity to hear the Gospel and make a decision about Jesus. In addition, I believe that if her murder is allowed to proceed, unchecked, it is because she has already made that decision, either before her injuries or recently, in her spirit, when she realized that she was going to be forced from her tent by her unfaithful husband and that tyrannical oligarchy of black-robed barbarians who have usurped authority not delegated to them by God, We the People, or the Constitution.

Let's not neglect proper perspective, however. God tolerates through His patience and love, the existence of that Islamic abomination sitting on the temple mount in Jerusalem. He tolerated the Holocaust, ethnic cleansing in Europe and Africa, worldwide abortion-on-demand, homosexuality, and so on and so forth. There is no end to the list of sinful human behavior tolerated by God in this age of Grace.

God is long-suffering because He desires that everyone would repent. The age of Grace will soon come to a close, however, and then there will be no more second-chances.

So please, all who read this, instead of trying to start a flame-war with me (a colossal waste of time on your part), continue praying for Terri, and ask God to help you to forgive those who have dedicated themselves to the accomplishment of her unjust death. Eventually, I will learn, because He will teach me, to forgive all those murdering scum who, unless they repent, will stand before his Throne on That Day and attempt to justify themselves by their works. They will recall the day they set their hearts to murder Terri and will confess to God that their punishment is deserved and just. Then they will be thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, along with Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet, to be tormented for all eternity.

In the meantime, His Grace is sufficient.

[Vapor3]

This makes me so angry!
If my keyboard were a machine gun my neighborhood would look like Fallujah