Posted on 10/10/2005 9:55:59 PM PDT by Mike10542
While it was obvious from the Roberts nomination that whoever Bush picks, there will always be a few freepers who for their own reasons (some valid, some not), don't like him or her. However, as my title mentiones, I think we can all agree, no matter where you stand on the Miers nomination, something is wrong with this pick when a week after the fact, it is US arguing over whether or not to try to kill the nomination, instead of who it should be (and was during the Roberts nomination), the DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!! Again, you will never please 100% of the base, but at leasat try for half (and probably a lot more!!) when you pick a Supreme Court Justice!!!!
No one is arguing over that at all. The only argument is over how well she will do in hearings and how may conservative votes she'll cast in rulings next year.
When has GW Bush ever backed down from a decision? You guys are pursuing a course of action to make the Congress more liberal. If you don't think Democrats are more liberal, just who do you think their nominee would be? Rather than looking for pro-life evidence they'd be looking for pro Choice evidence.
Opponents of Miers need to think very carefully about their intentions and whether or not those intentions advance liberalism.
As always, these things are not about what you can gain. They are about what you can avoid losing. All actions must be viewed in terms of denying Democrats the right to nominate left wing extremist Justices. No one can call Miers that.
Those that want the Miers nomination withdrawn should go to this website. It is probably more suited for them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com
Yes, it's infinitely frustrating that the debate is WITHIN the GOP, rather than contra the Dems. An interesting piece by David Broder suggests that this fight, in some form, was inevitable: "A valuable historical perspective on all this came from Stephen Skowronek of Yale University in a talk to the American Political Science Association just before Labor Day. At the time, it seemed a bold -- even questionable -- thesis. Now it looks prescient.
"Skowronek, a presidential scholar, defined Bush as "an orthodox innovator," meaning someone who inherits a governing doctrine from others -- in his case, Ronald Reagan -- but applies it in different circumstances and with different techniques....
"Skowronek said that historically what leads to ultimate failure for orthodox innovator presidents is "sectarian infighting." They fail, he said, not because the political opposition becomes so strong but because their own supporters fall out among themselves -- some insisting on the original orthodoxy of the inherited philosophy, others demanding more change to adapt to the new conditions." The rest is at www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/07/AR2005100701700.html.
So what do we do to get back on track?
Please, you are trying to tell me that at least half if not 2/3's of freepers on here are against the nomination? And most grassroots people are too!!! Why do you think 27 Senators cast reservation on her nomination. It might have to do with the fact that they have been flooded with calls and emails from conservatives opposing this nomination.
I meant to write that I beleive at least half of freepers want her nomination to be pulled if not more.
I have to say, that of all the vanities I've read on the Miers pick, this is the most recent.
And for those that think that Miers was a bright pick:
27 Senators are NOT against her nomination. They are waiting for the hearings just like they did on the Roberts nomination.
Too bad you learned how to read in the public schools.
RepublicanWithIntegrity
Since Oct 6, 2005
You've been here less than a week, and you call longtime Freepers who disagree with you on Miers DU trolls.
RepublicanWithIntegrity, indeed.
LOL
Or maybe we can agree that something is wrong with the people who are raising such an unholy stink from a position of sheer ignorance.
When has GW Bush ever backed down from a decision? You guys are pursuing a course of action to make the Congress more liberal. If you don't think Democrats are more liberal, just who do you think their nominee would be? Rather than looking for pro-life evidence they'd be looking for pro Choice evidence. Opponents of Miers need to think very carefully about their intentions and whether or not those intentions advance liberalism.
Prehaps it is about advancing "Conservatism"
You've been bashing this nomination for a week and still haven't given me a reason why. Your mantra gets old when it is not supported by anything.AWB
Our Constitution was NOT written for lawyers.
I call them Democrats for sure. People who oppose Miers yet supported Ginsburg and Breyer are nothing but little sKerry beatnik lovers.
Again, if you don't like the President and our party, you can leave.
My impression is that quite a few are arguing exactly that. That the blowback is coming from an insignificant part of the GOP support.
The only argument is over how well she will do in hearings and how may conservative votes she'll cast in rulings next year.
No. There are several other arguments. Miers proponents tend to focus and speculate -ONLY- on Miers' prospective performance. There are other issues.
Opponents of Miers need to think very carefully about their intentions and whether or not those intentions advance liberalism.
You cast the argument in "opposition to Miers" when it really is "opposition to a nomination that doesn't assert conservatism." Proponents of Miers need to likewise think very carefully about their intentions and whether or not those intentions advance liberalism.
As always, these things are not about what you can gain. They are about what you can avoid losing.
That comes off as an admission of weakness.
All actions must be viewed in terms of denying Democrats the right to nominate left wing extremist Justices.
All defense. No offense. The team that uses that strategy is apt to lose.
PRay for W and Harriet Miers
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