Posted on 01/28/2006 9:58:00 AM PST by engrpat
My first, and hope last vanity. Having an argument with a real wild DU'er type. I need the list of the members of the US House that also belong to communist groups. I have seen it and can't find it. Thank you.
No such list IMO.
No such list. Do not confuse Socialists with Communists.
According to Marx, socialism is a stage on the way to communism.
There are several demoncrats that are members of the "Progressive Caucus" which is doublespeak for "Socialist Caucus". This list IS available. In fact there is a website where these morons strut their stuff.
Don't confuse socialists with commies? Why not? Commies are just socialists that are in a hurry.
Start with Conyers.
Yes, there is. Point your browser to:
www.dsusa.org
Thank you all. Much appreciated. Got what I needed. As there isn't much, in any, difference between the communist party and the socialist party. The USSR comes to mind.
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.
It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them.
Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records.
Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter.
You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.
Click here to see them listed with brain-challenging comments.
- Microfilm:
- California State University at San Jose
- Clark Library, Government Floor
- Phone (408)924-2770
- Microfilm
- Call Number:
- J
- 11
- .R5
- Congressional Record, Vol. 109
- 88th Congress, 1st Session
- Appendix Pages A1-A2842
- Jan. 9-May 7, 1963
- Reel 12
The quote starts on page 259.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
For what it is worth, the CPUSA have stopped bothering to put forward its own candidates since the current Democrats are more than satisfactory to them. If you read the CPUSA's recent article about their 2006 election plans, you can see that they are self-identified with the Democrats and don't actually plan to do anything other than "get out the vote" for the Democrats:
Report on the 2006 Elections
National Committee Meeting, October 15-16, 2005
Author: Joelle Fishman, Chair, Political Action Committee, CPUSA
First published 11/15/2005 18:01
I would like to begin by recognizing and appreciating our local candidates who are out in the field in this election cycle.
Through them we build on the legacy of the great Benjamin J. Davis, “Communist Councilman from Harlem,” and others who served the needs of working people valiantly in public office.
At this moment, what a great contribution our candidates have to make from the grass roots up, projecting bold solutions and building unity in the movement to defeat the extreme right wing.
We will learn a lot from the reports of these campaigns.
The raw racism and inhumanity in the administration’s response to Katrina was horrifying, including for many people who had voted for Bush.
Bush, Rove, DeLay and Frist have no shame. Their thrust is to use Katrina to further their corrupt assault on the people.
Inexcusable poverty and inequality were laid bare.
Proposals to create good jobs, and finance the recovery by bringing the troops home and ending tax cuts to the rich would make sense.
Instead, this coming week Congress will vote on paying for the recovery by cutting $35 billion from programs that poor working people depend on for survival – Medicaid, food stamps, education and housing.
This unwillingness and inability to take care of people’s needs, on top of the scandals and indictments of Bush’s closest cronies, the growing opposition to the war, and escalating gas prices are having a cumulative effect, the reflection of a system in crisis.
Shifts in public opinion are beginning to take hold.
In this week’s polls, Bush’s ratings were down to 30%. Two-thirds of the people said the country is on the wrong track. Democrats were favored over Republicans for election to Congress by eight points.
According to the AP poll, some categories of voters that Bush has relied upon are changing their minds. White evangelicals, Republican women, Southerners and suburban men were among those who had lost the most confidence in the President and do not like the direction of the country. One Republican was quoted as saying, “We should get out of Iraq It seems there is no light at the end of the tunnel.”
This fissure at the base is reflected in Congress where Bush can no longer count on lockstep Republican support.
The constant protests, rallies, town hall gatherings and information meetings in opposition to privatization of Social Security forced the Republican leadership to set that aside at least for the moment. We should be proud of the fight we put up along with the broad labor/people’s movement. But we shouldn’t let our guard down.
Similarly, the outpourings against the war on Iraq gave rise to the Out Now caucus in Congress which is forcing the issue onto the floor, with a number of resolutions on exit strategy coming forth, and including a little Republican support – although Congress lags far behind the clear majority of people who want the war to end now.
Bi-partisan letters have been signed by members of Congress to the President for reinstatement of Davis-Bacon worker protections (117), and for repeal of some sections of the Patriot Act (163), to name a couple.
The Congressional Black Caucus and members of the Hispanic Caucus and Progressive Caucus have been outstanding in pushing the envelope, and opening the door for pressure to be placed on every member of Congress to reject the Bush agenda item by item.
In this atmosphere, the potential to end Republican majority rule of Congress next year seems like a steep but more realizable possibility.
To recapture Congress, Democrats need a net gain of 15 seats in the House and six seats in the Senate.
The biggest determining factor in 2006 will be the ability of the labor movement, with core allies, African American, Latino, women, youth, to stick together and organize around key issues like ending the war, healthcare for all, good jobs with union rights and quality, public education.
The Iraq war veteran who ran for Congress in Ohio showed that by addressing the anti-war majority, and putting forward a program to change the priorities of the country, it was possible to nearly win in a Republican stronghold District.
To win the confidence of the voters, Democratic candidates will have to differentiate themselves.
Every issue, every organizing drive, every demonstration is part of preparing for the elections in 2006. The cost of home heating and electricity is an issue that affects every neighborhood and every voting precinct. From the demand for no shut-offs to the profits of oil companies, the Bush administration must be held accountable.
Next week union, retiree, women’s and children organizations will be calling in to the Congressional switchboard demanding NO to budget cuts that hurt children and tax breaks for the rich, and YES to Disaster Relief Medicaid to provide health care now. We should mobilize our allies and members to call in and also to add the message to bring the troops home.
The demand for voting rights and campaign finance reform is also part of preparing for the 2006 elections.
The architects of the southern strategy may be under indictment for theft and corruption, but the southern strategy continues.
They are likely counting on capturing the Democratic stronghold of New Orleans and picking up a seat in Congress by disenfranchising the African American voters currently dispersed by the hurricane.
Those who have been displaced must be guaranteed the right to vote by absentee ballot, as put forth in the Displaced Citizens Voter Protection Act.
The fight in California to defeat Schwarzenegger’s Proposition 75 and uphold the right of workers to participate fully in the electoral process is also a crucial battle against wholesale disenfranchisement that will have a big impact on the 2006 elections.
The anti-immigrant hysteria whipped up since 9/11 is also certain to be used in an attempt to split and divide the opposition. The fight for immigrant rights legislation will be an important part of unity building.
Between now and November 8 important races in New York (Mayor), New Jersey (Governor) and elsewhere will lay the groundwork for 2006. Our own candidates who are standing for election this year are also part of preparing for 2006, knocking on doors, speaking with voters about solutions for meeting people’s needs.
In 2004 the National Committee launched the Mid-West project. We said we wanted to participate with and add to the broad coalition, and at the same time strengthen our own base in key communities. It was a tremendous experience for the entire Party and the YCL. We learned a lot and got high marks from our coalition partners.
The mid west remains a battleground, as does the South. We should think through how to adapt the experience of the Mid West Project to the Mid-Term elections in 2006 around key Senate and House campaigns.
In addition, every state will have its own battleground election district. In how many election districts can we build a base of Peoples Weekly World readers who can be mobilized to vote and to get involved beyond Election Day?
Jarvis and Sam spoke of the tremendous radicalization process underway, crystalized by the Iraq war, Katrina, scandals in the cabinet and the energy crisis.
Going door to door in the recent election in the Fair Haven section of New Haven, we met a number of people, including some in their 70's and 80's who had never voted before, but who were now inspired to get involved by the work of the candidate, and her commitment, from getting trees planted to saving Social Security.
Many from all walks of life are seeking out our Party in order to be part of the all people’s front to defeat the extreme right-wing, and beyond that, toward achieving a social transformation in our country.
The 2006 elections figure largely in this titanic battle. They do not begin in January, they have already begun, they begin now.
(Bolded material is my emphasis, not the original document's.)
http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm
DIRECTORY OF
U.S. POLITICAL PARTIES
Yes, there is. Point your browser to:
www.dsusa.org
Huh? Disabled sports USA? You're joking right? Or serious but dumb.
www.dsusa.org
Disabled Sports USA? Get real, it's not that one. Perhaps one of the Freepers has the link to it.
The socialist traitors' website is dsausa.org.
Serious and not dumb. Can't type worth a darn though...
Left out a letter in the URL. See post 15.
See posts 15 & 16.
Disabled sports? Ooops!
Calling Democrats socialists is about on par with calling Republicans fascists. Its a red flag that the speaker isnt seeking a sincere discussion so much as a chance to hear themselves talk on a topic they've become pointlessly polarized on. Tell me Bush is the new Hitler or that Bill Clinton is a socialist and I'll write off everything else you say as the ravings of a nut. Make your case based on what people really are and not what you imagine them to be, its a lot more effective. There is something about people on both sides who get so into the fight they lose perspective on the real debate. You're not going to make the DU guy suddenly realize that his party is a front for socialism, you're just going to make yourself easier to dismiss by using overcharged labels - whats the point of that?
Commies are just socialists with guns...
"You're not going to make the DU guy suddenly realize that his party is a front for socialism, "
Isn't it? And if not, show me how it isn't.
Practically speaking, there is very little difference between communists, socialists, and fascists.
Demoncrats exhibit all three characteristics in varying degrees.
Most Freepers will call a spade a spade. I'm not going to mince words when dealing with America-hating lieberals. If that turns them off to my message, so be it. The TRUTH will set them free!
I'm sorry newbie, but I don't see anything wrong with an organization that wants to help disabled veterans
Neither do I. I'm just sorry I mixed up their URL with that of the "democratic socialists of America".
"Do not confuse Socialists with Communists."
Well there is a difference between disabled sports USA as democratic socialists of America
That's for sure.
Now if it was "Mental Midgets USA" and "democratic socialists USA" we'd have a pretty close match.
But no such symmetry exists. While there are literally no fascist Republicans, there is at least one socialist Democrat (Bernie Sanders). And he must not be too much of an odd man out in the Democrat party because Howard Dean publically praised Sanders not long ago. And there are many Democrats who, though not full-blown out-of-the-closet socialists, are members of the Progressive Caucus, which is just a small step away.
Plus there's the simple fact that the great ideological struggle in the West is between socialism and liberalism (liberal like Hayek). These camps exist in the US, just as they exist in the other Western nations. The parliaments of most western nations have explicitly socialist parties, like Canada's NDP. Here, the socialist camp is contained within the Democrat party. Any honest liberal (modern liberal) who has bothered to truly examine his ideas knows that they take a lot of basic content from socialism. He and a modern socialist could sit down over tea and have a lovely, agreement-filled conversation about politics and political theory. Not so with a Republican and a fascist.
So I think that drawing a connection between socialism and liberalism is fair game, if done carefully. The key is to assert what's true and not to go beyond that. I definitely agree, though, that if you push it too far, you open yourself to being dismissed as a kook.
Its germane to note when making the case that Democrats are socialists the Congressman you cited is not in fact a member of the Democratic party but a loud and proud independent. Thats a pretty big problem for your argument, its like saying that a Libertarian and a Republican are the same because they often vote the same way. Bernie Sanders has a 34 year long political career, in all of that time he has never been a Dem. Dean is just positioning himself to look like he has a hand in events beyond his control. The truth is Sander is so widely popular he's a virtual lock to win Jeffords seat in the senate. If you knew anything about the guy you'd know he regularly rips the Dems as a "do nothing spineless party".
The problem with your point is that Sanders, though nominally an independent, votes with the Dems 98% of the time:
Dean: "The bottom line is that Bernie Sanders votes with the Democrats 98 percent of the time."
Such strong correlation between an avowed socialist and the Democrats is telling.
its like saying that a Libertarian and a Republican are the same because they often vote the same way.
Well, like Ronald Reagan said, libertarianism is the heart of conservatism. The link between the two is obvious to anyone who studies them. A similar linkage exists between liberalism and socialism. That's really the heart of the matter.
If you knew anything about the guy you'd know he regularly rips the Dems as a "do nothing spineless party".
Yeah, but conservatives rip the Republican party in the same way yet we still know they're on the same team. It's the same deal with Sanders and the Democrats. He's just frustrated with their impurity.
I agree that you'll discredit yourself if you try to make the claim that Democrats are Socialists. However, if the claim is that Democrats (or more precisely, liberals) have strong ideological ties to socialism, then I think there's a case to be made.
Sanders may be a Dem-voting indy, but he's also a self-described socialist.
Oh right! Big difference. Communists have Marx as their hero. And, Socialists have... Marx as theirs.
Those two evils are as opposite as ying and yang.
Did you make a wrong turn on the information highway? This is Free Republic. That kind of tripe doesn't fly too well here.
The democrats are socialists with every move they make. Their actions are consistent with the socialist goals of dissolving the family, eliminating private ownership and stifling free speech. And let’s not forget the fact that they can’t admit who they really are.
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