Posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:46 AM PST by mcg2000
I'm a big Seahawk fan. Clearly it was a touchdown. And clearly there were several bad calls aginst the Seahawks. The Stealers didn't win fair and square. Questions?
This is just getting funny now. So in the second picture, the part labeled as Ben's glove----what is it actually? And the huge white patch isn't his right wristband? And the football is just being pushed in front of Ben----because clearly there is no arm around that large, elbowish football that you see.
The first picture completely refutes the idea that the second picture shows the football, and not Ben's elbow, going across the goalline.
How about this, He was hit and fumbled the ball before crossing the goalline. He recvered the ball from underneath is body and attempted to push the ball across after it should have been blown dead at the 6 inch line. The Refs were wrong!
Yes - questions. He was carrying the ball in his right arm - back in the crook of his elbow. The picture shows his right elbow too far back from the plane of the goal to have the ball cross it.
The picture is unclear. What may be the ball could also be a part of a steeler uniform behind big Ben.
However, I saw no incontrovertible evidence that this particular call was wrong during the game - and therefore cannot state that it should have been overturned. The most damning evidence was the manner in which the line judge made the call - and the "coincidental" timing of Ben moving the ball forward (after hitting the ground) and the switch from the fourth down signal to touchdown.
Questions?
There was ONE bad call -- the Hassleback illgeal block on the INT return. And that was evened out but the NON-CALL for the clip on Ben R. when he was intercepted.
The other calls were all righteous.
I did not have a dog in this hunt. But the NFL has be come the WWNFL. The official needed to wear their big red noses they were such clowns.
When you call Blocking below the waist on a tackle and it is not reviewable, that is just wrong.
That was the last NFL game I watch. I will get my football fix with Texas high school and College games.
The problem is the league doesn't have a camera right on the goal line.
Actually, in the clear picture on the left, the ball is almost across the line already.
If you can agree that the photo on left shows Ben's elbow already breaking the plane of the goal-line, then momentum will put the ball across before the block.
Your link is proof? I wasn't aware that football was not a dynamic activity where people actually move, and that each play can be encapsulated by a still picture. The tip of the ball CLEARLY cross the beginning of the white stripe. I have no horse in this race, and I think the Seattle TD interference call was bogus, but Roethlisberger scored that touchdown according to the rules of the game.
Also, the ball broke the plane at the APEX of the dive -- none of the pics posted have that particular instance.
So do you deniers need a lesson in the NFL rules or Euclidean Geometry?
Just one.....
Where does the endzone begin? Inside the line or outside the line? You placed the line on the outside of the line.
It is my belief that the endzone is inside the lines hence the term "breaking the plane of the endzone" Had there been a clear shot of the ball inside the endzone this thread would not be necessary.
Let me put it another way the other three lines of the endzone i.e. the two side lines and the rear of the endzone are marked five times as wide as the goal line, if a reciever catches a ball in the endzone with any part of his feet in those lines it is not a touchdown, they have to be inside the endzone.
The same applies here The ball never made it inside the plane of endzone as defined by the goalines, it has to cross it into the endzone.
The first photo provides context for the second. In order to believe your analysis of the photo you posted, you have to refute the positioning of the ball in the QBs arm (as shown in the first photo to clarify the second).
You mean you finally figured out that NFL is entertainmnent, rather than a sport? Everyone takes the Super Bowl far too seriously. It is only there for the purpose of viewing funny commercials!
But you assume that Ben was still moving forward when that picture was taken. Watching the actual replay, which they showed in slow motion many times during the game, there was not a single frame that showed the ball over the goal line. That's why the announcers said it was going to be such a tough call for the officials. If there was any video evidence of the ball breaking the plane, it wouldn't be a tough call at all; but what the announcers were getting at was whether or not the call could be reversed based on video that showed the ball getting very very close to breaking the goal line. I think it should have been reversed, but my bigger problem is the fact that the touchdown was called in the first place, based on no evidence other than Ben scooting the ball across the line when he was down, then staring at the official with pleading, desperate eyes. The official ran four steps onto the field and hesitated like a retard before giving in to Ben's irresistable patheticness.
What I said was that when Roth and the defender com shoulder to shoulder the involuntary reaction will be for the arm to swing down and forward -- which is exactly what that picture shows. You can see Roths arm has changed positions -- you see his upper arm, the wirstband, and you aso can see his forearm has swunf down and his glove has moved slight down and behind his left arm -- all consistent with the arm being forced down and forward by a blow to the shoulder --- and cradles right in the middle of all that is a small brown object known as a football.
as I said physics are a wonderful thing.
Finally for the person who mentioned the Titans-Bills game -- I forever curse you. it was a forward lateral, my Bills never lose, they only have games stolen from them, let me search for fuzzy photos to prove my point!!!
I fully understand breaking the plane. But your cut-and-dried interpretation is not complete - it disregards the arm in front of the ball. The arm broke the plane. The ball did not necessarily do so.
And the line judge signalled fourth down until Ben moved the ball forward.
Don't make yourself look dumb accusing others of not understanding something.
That would help, but so would better technology.....
They could put a chip inside the ball and a sensor under the goal-line that would conclusively take human error out of the equation.
Of course, if the NFL would only pay $1000 to previous Hall of Famers to show up for the show, why would they invest in technology?
I'm not saying that the Steelers didn't win----a win is a win no matter how bad the officiating-----but to hear so many of them insist that the officiating wasn't that bad just tells me that they desperately want the win to not be so tainted. Other than Steelers fans and the NFL itself, hardly anyone is saying the officials didn't screw up this game.
Neither - you have an interpretation, and nothing more. The line judge didn't accept your interpretation until AFTER the ball was moved forward over the goal - well after the player was on the ground.
It really gets tiresome to deal with idiots who cannot understand that INTERPRETATION is inconsistent.
BTW - if none of the posted pics shows the "apex of the dive" (think about that in Euclidian terms, too - sheesh), why is this thread supposed to present definitive proof.
And if you didn't get the hint about "apex of the dive", a dive (by definition" starts highest and ends lowest. So, he dove from about 2 yards out of the end zone - the apex being 2 yards away from the plane.
Other questions?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.