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Wachowskis aim to provoke with "Vendetta" film
Reuters ^ | Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:21 AM ET | Mike Collett-White

Posted on 02/13/2006 7:39:30 AM PST by bush2006cheney

BERLIN (Reuters) - The good guy in the Wachowski brothers' latest cinematic adventure is a "terrorist" at war with the British government.

The masked crusader makes homemade bombs, which he plants on London's subway system, and condones violence in pursuit of justice. The Orwellian authorities rule chiefly by fear.

With "V for Vendetta", the scriptwriters who brought us "The Matrix" may be asking for trouble.

Starring a shaven-headed Natalie Portman as the foil to the mystery man known only as V, the film is based on a 1980s graphic novel warning readers about the danger of lurching to the political right under then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

The anti-hero, played by Hugo Weaving, seeks to emulate the 17th Century Catholic rebel Guy Fawkes, who narrowly failed to blow up the Houses of Parliament in London on November 5, 1605, and was hanged for his troubles.

But despite its references to the past, the narrative is set sometime in the near future and alludes to a period when wars have come back to haunt the United States, which has descended into chaos.

One character says "blowing up a building can change the world", while another is arrested for having a Koran hidden at home. The film's tagline is: "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

"There are hot button issues that are dealt with in the story and that's good, that's fresh," producer Joel Silver told Reuters at the Berlin Film Festival, where the film gets its world premiere late on Monday.

"It seems to be as relevant as it could be right now. I think that it's going to be very current and very topical and I think people will be intrigued by the material. I think it's the right time and the right place."

"MOVIES AS CULTURAL SABOTAGE"

Vanity Fair magazine, which said the picture's release was delayed from November 5 last year due to the July suicide bombings in London, gushed about the film, calling it "spectacular and exhilarating" and a return to "movies as cultural sabotage".

"You have a world teetering on the brink -- apocalypse being the animating anxiety of the superhero genre," the left-leaning magazine wrote. "Apocalypse is, too, less than coincidentally, the fortifying principle of the Bush administration".

There was no sign of the reclusive Andy and Larry Wachowski in Berlin, and it was not clear if they would agree with such a rigid interpretation of their film. But a copy of the article was included in press packs handed out to reporters in Berlin.

The topic of terror and its justification is not the only feature of "Vendetta" that may spark debate.

John Hurt, who plays the evil leader Sutler, is made to look and sound like Adolf Hitler, and images of biological experiments on human beings are designed to resemble the concentration camps of World War Two.

Despite references to the past and present, both Silver and first-time director James McTeigue were keen to put distance between the events in the film and those in the real world.

"It is a work of fiction. It is a piece of entertainment," McTeigue told Reuters.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; TV/Movies; US: California; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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From the geniuses who cast Cornel West as a savior of humanity.
1 posted on 02/13/2006 7:39:31 AM PST by bush2006cheney
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To: bush2006cheney

Comic book was quite good...if I remember it.


3 posted on 02/13/2006 7:42:02 AM PST by Borges
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To: bush2006cheney

And for those who will defend this on the strength of Alan Moore's writing. He took his name off of this film, so take that as you will.


4 posted on 02/13/2006 7:42:21 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: Borges

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."


There is a certain amount of truth in this statement.


5 posted on 02/13/2006 7:42:57 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: bush2006cheney

I've been looking forward to this one, it's a great book, was sad they didn't release it on Guy Fawkes day. Out in fandom you can always spot the Alan Moore fans because we all know when Guy Fawkes Day is, he's kind of obsessed with it.


6 posted on 02/13/2006 7:43:43 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: weegee

I always confuse Moore with Frank Miller. Moore is much better. Watchmen is a classic.


7 posted on 02/13/2006 7:44:11 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Maybe Cypher had a point.

People will remember Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith in the Wachowski's Matrix series.


8 posted on 02/13/2006 7:44:18 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: bush2006cheney

The first Matrix was mindblowing. The last two were idiotic. Unfortunately, I don't have hopes of this flick avoiding taking a political side. Both the extreme right and left are enough to give me worry and the film could do a great job of making a point while keeping the politics unidentifiable. But that would require thought and originality...


9 posted on 02/13/2006 7:44:35 AM PST by CanisRex (Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil. --Lazarus Long)
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To: bush2006cheney
The anti-hero, played by Hugo Weaving,

Agent Smith!

Misster Annderson....

10 posted on 02/13/2006 7:45:29 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: bush2006cheney
Apocalypse is, too, less than coincidentally, the fortifying principle of the Bush administration".

*buzzer sounds*

WRONG, It's what they (our current administration) are working to prevent....

...and what the Muslim leader all ove the earth are working to commence.

11 posted on 02/13/2006 7:45:51 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Sam the Sham
People will remember Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith in the Wachowski's Matrix series.

He's an excellent actor IMO. I might have to go see this one even if it has some political slant to it.

12 posted on 02/13/2006 7:49:00 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: Sam the Sham

Elrond


13 posted on 02/13/2006 7:49:13 AM PST by fishtank
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To: bush2006cheney
The anti-hero, played by Hugo Weaving, seeks to emulate the 17th Century Catholic rebel Guy Fawkes, who narrowly failed to blow up the Houses of Parliament in London on November 5, 1605, and was hanged for his troubles.

They did much more to old Guido than that:

Until 1870, the full punishment for the crime was to be "hanged, drawn, and quartered" in that the convict would be:

Dragged on a hurdle (a wooden frame) to the place of execution.

Hanged[1] by the neck, but removed before death.

Disembowelled, and the genitalia and entrails burned before the victim's eyes; the heart was the last to be removed and was then shown to the victim before the entrails were burned.[2]

Beheaded and the body divided into four parts (quartered).

Typically, the resulting five parts (i.e., the four quarters of the body and the head) were gibbeted (put on public display) in different parts of the city or town to deter would-be traitors.

Source

14 posted on 02/13/2006 7:49:25 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: bush2006cheney
Starring a shaven-headed Natalie Portman as the foil to the mystery man known only as V, the film is based on a 1980s graphic novel warning readers about the danger of lurching to the political right under then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Complete garbage.

15 posted on 02/13/2006 7:49:34 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: bush2006cheney
The Orwellian authorities rule chiefly by fear.

I suspect that some of those who refer to bad guys as "Orwellian authorities" do so, not out of reverence for Orwell, but rather out of contempt. George Orwell was against Communism.

16 posted on 02/13/2006 7:50:14 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: bush2006cheney
It's not the Wachowski brothers anymore, is it? Didn't one of them have a sex change?
17 posted on 02/13/2006 7:50:49 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: bush2006cheney
John Hurt, who plays the evil leader Sutler, is made to look and sound like Adolf Hitler

...which I guess means he'll have a Texan drawl and mangle his syllables.

18 posted on 02/13/2006 7:51:00 AM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: domenad

The Wachowski Siblings.


19 posted on 02/13/2006 7:53:06 AM PST by Borges
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To: bush2006cheney

20 posted on 02/13/2006 7:54:00 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Jack Bauer: "By the time I'm finished with you you're going to wish you felt this good again".)
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To: bush2006cheney

"Wachowski brothers' "

Ahhhhh haaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa. Brothers. That's a good one... gimme a minute.

*whew* I believe Larry had himself turned into Linda.

These whack jobs made a really cool movie in the Matrix. At that point, they were unknowns and somewhat on a leash. After the success of the Matrix, they became bigtime movie makers. So, they were given free reign in Matrix II and Matrix III. The result? Crap. Matrix II was tolerable only because of the anticipated pay off of Matrix III. Matrix III was a rambling, incoherent, stylistic piece of crap.

These losers couldn't pay me to see any more of their "work".


21 posted on 02/13/2006 7:54:03 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: bush2006cheney

Elrond has gone to the dark side!


22 posted on 02/13/2006 7:58:50 AM PST by American Quilter (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick)
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To: domenad

Nah, it would still be brothers, just one of them horrendously mutilated.


23 posted on 02/13/2006 7:59:07 AM PST by kenth
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To: TXBSAFH
The terrorists we face do nothing to take down their own billionaire kings and dictators. Some dictators even sponsor global terrorism.

In the light of such enemies, we are at global war with terrorism. Those domestic terrorists who seek to maim and kill Americans don't do so out of grievance with our elected representatives, they serve a global agenda. And the lack of spine on the left shows that acts of terrorism directed at civilians don't phase them. John Kerry was willing to live with a certain level of domestic terrorism (as he said in one of the debates, if I recall). Keep it at a nuisance level.

The fear politicians should have is getting run out of office and possibly thrown in jail. They must be kept in check. Vigilantism is no answer.

The left has fantasies that one day a genuine socialist revolution will overthrown the establishment and they will assume control to usher in a new Utopia (that they will run).
24 posted on 02/13/2006 8:00:46 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: weegee

I agree with you violence is not an answer, but I do think that a government and politicos should be fearful and respectful of the people. Kick'em out of office and in case where warrented throw the bums in jail.


25 posted on 02/13/2006 8:04:31 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
Socialist-anarchists want apocalypse too.

ONLINE INTERVIEW WITH JAKE, MOSH GESTAPO ZINE, 2-25-97

MnrThrt: what do you think about punk, as a "movement" etc--
MnrThrt: possibilities of social change etc?
Tedrall: Well, it has certainly changed my life for the better...it
Tedrall: demonstrated to me that you don't need official approval
Tedrall: to create, that thinking for yourself is what counts...
Tedrall: I think that punk's biggest effect so far has been to change
Tedrall: the way its fans think about themselves.
MnrThrt: so you look at it as more personal than macro?
Tedrall: I don't think it's going to send people to the barricades to
Tedrall: string up CEOs or anything. Unfortunately.

MnrThrt: no punks rising up and anarchist revolutions?
Tedrall: Yeah, definitely, it's a personal thing. It's not a mass
Tedrall: movement, anyway...not enough people listen to punk.
MnrThrt: straight edge on the other hand...
Tedrall: It would be nice if it happened.

26 posted on 02/13/2006 8:15:04 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: TXBSAFH

John Kerry's antiVietnam group's plan was to target elected representatives for assassination.

It is INSANE that man got as close to the presidency as he did.


27 posted on 02/13/2006 8:16:19 AM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: weegee

Agreed.


29 posted on 02/13/2006 8:20:17 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: weegee

I found it interesting that Rall's website is blocked by my company as Hate Speech. HAH!


30 posted on 02/13/2006 8:21:11 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: bush2006cheney

This is a pretty important topic. The idea that terrorism against a modern government's populace would attract a cult following is pretty serious. You might have posted this in Culture/Society, where it belongs. Maybe you could get the admin moderator to move it there.


31 posted on 02/13/2006 9:27:31 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: bush2006cheney
In fact, no less than Vanity Fair has endorsed the concept:
Vanity Fair magazine, which said the picture's release was delayed from November 5 last year due to the July suicide bombings in London, gushed about the film, calling it "spectacular and exhilarating" and a return to "movies as cultural sabotage".

32 posted on 02/13/2006 9:30:47 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: isthisnickcool

What is the Burger King guy doing in the film?


33 posted on 02/13/2006 9:50:16 AM PST by evilC ([573]Tag Server Error, Tag not found)
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To: bush2006cheney

Man, I am gonna miss Cornel West when he's no longer around. He may have peaked already, but, God, did we have fun in months and years past discussing this entirely bogus
"thinker". Reading ANYTHING he has written simply sends the mind reeling---it comes as close to embodying meaninglessness as anything written by anyone in Academia--yet his written words would be nothing without having his image in mind as you read or listen--- which means one has to have SEEN Cornel first, and THEN read him. The complete package---the dapper vested suits, the wiry hair and scraggly goatee, the gap toothed grin, the supremely confident way he launches into a "nuanced" response to any and every BIG QUESTION.....oh, man, I am gonna MISS him!


34 posted on 02/13/2006 10:13:44 PM PST by willyboyishere (You'd better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live> Brecht)
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To: fishtank

Everytime I saw him after that in the LOTR movies I was just waiting for him to say "Mr. Baaagins."


35 posted on 02/17/2006 5:54:43 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: bush2006cheney; RichardHenryLee; ValenB4
The film's tagline is: "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

Bump for what looks to be a very good movie regardless of what 'conservatives' would have people believe. I would highly recommend the movie's website as well. There is a hangman game, not to mention the historical data, that requires you to attribute quotes to historical figures. Very enlightening to say the least

36 posted on 02/27/2006 8:04:52 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
People need to differentiate between terrorism and revolution. A terror attack is one where you try to kill innocent people to make a political statement. A revolution that targets legitimate military and political (leadership only) targets is not terrorism. In fact in many cases it is immoral to not rebel against a tyrannical government. Conservatives should love a person attacking an oppressive government. If you take conservatism to its extreme you get libertarianism, or anarchy, not fascism.
38 posted on 03/07/2006 6:24:05 PM PST by RHINO369
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When this movie is released, I won't even have to read the threads. It will be seen as a direct attack on Bush and Republican faithful. Unfortunately, at least for those that believe that nonsense, there is a major fault. Considering the story in comic form was released over 20 years ago, I see this story almost as a modern day 1984. You're right. Conservatives should have no problem with this movie. Republicans, however, will. And Democrats, well the other half of the one party system will remain silent


39 posted on 03/07/2006 7:33:43 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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