Posted on 03/02/2006 5:01:38 AM PST by S0122017
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Great Minds think alike.
Sometimes mathematical concepts are dimly anticipated before being formally defined. The spiral might have been determined through fooling with compass/protractor techniques, but its full meaning would be hard to understand without the benefit of the Pythagorean theorem. There would have to be a comparison between how deeply Archemedies understood the properties of the object and how well the Minoans understood it. You aren't going to get that from one picture.
That is true, but the interesting thing here is the minoan culture influenced the later greek culture in many ways.
Including art and mythology. Then why not mathematics?
It is ofcourse possible that Archimedes just saw the drawings and got inspired. But i leaves other options aswell.
"the powerful influence that the Minoan culture had on the later classical Greek culture"
http://www.fjkluth.com/minoan.html
I think this date is actually 1628BC and the same time as the Jewish Exodus from Egypt. The volcano plume would have had to be 30 miles high to be seen from Egypt..."staff by day, torch by night."
The most recent eruption of Pinatubo in the Phillipines was 26 miles high and the one in/around Alaska was greater than 30 miles high.
The Minoans had far more advanced navies than surrounding countries, it wouldn't surprise me if their mathematics were advanced as well.
Everytime I hear about some culture supposedly inventing the mathmatical concept of 0, I never believe it
"Moses called down a host of calamities upon Egypt until the pharaoh finally freed the Israelites. Perhaps he had the help of a comet impact coupled with a volcano.
A volcano destroyed the island of Santorini in the Aegean Sea (between today's Greece and Turkey) around the middle of the second millennium B.C. Researchers Val LaMarche and Kathy Hirschboeck suggest the volcano might be associated with tree-ring evidence for several years of intense cold beginning in 1627 B.C
. "Could that form the basis for strange meteorological phenomena recorded in the biblical book of Exodus? In the book of Exodus, which describes events a few hundred kilometers from Santorini, we read of a pillar of cloud and fire, a lingering darkness, and the parting of the Red Sea. An enormous column of ash must have hung in the sky over the eruption (the Israelites’ “pillar of cloud by day and fire by night?”), and the volcano doubtless caused a tsunami, or tidal wave (which could have drowned a pharaoh's army)."
"The Exodus story is traditionally dated to either the thirteenth or fifteenth century B.C. Those dates, however, depend ultimately on identifying the “Pharaoh of the Oppression,” and historians have never proven to which ruler that infamous title referred."
Sure you did, ever hear of a chalkboard? Erasable walls just hadn't been invented yet.
Ever hear of the math major that had a constipation problem? He got a pencil and worked the problem out.
.....But dividing a circle into more than a dozen equal sections is not a trivial task; try it yourself. ......
Absurdly simple. Divide it into six by taking radial arcs, split one and do it again from tne mid point.
Not true. Every mathematician and math instructor I have ever known "did math on a wall". Back in those days, they were called "blackboards".
I guess the dude wouldn't have got as much newsprint if he speculated "Maybe it was just an accident...?"
Another one of the "I think I found Atlantis near Cuba" crowd.
Nothing to do with atlantis and he is not suggesting it.
It isnt like finding archimedes spiral on a rock in africa or easer island, the minoans have influenced the greek in a great manner.
To find two identical spirals among two cultures of which one was the older and was known to have influenced the other (and perhaps vice versa) is enough to raise questions concerning the origin of the spiral.
And the math that it required.
Hexagons are found in both math and nature. But if I draw a hexagon, that doesn't mean I invented life in a test tube.
The parallels between math and art are well known. Sometimes art is just that - art. A testing and discovery of forms and figures.
the Pythagorean says, "all is number", I say...To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
- How many finger am I holding up?
- What about letters?
- Must have been a big number that you smoked.
- What's the number for 9-1-1?
New Ice-Core Evidence
Challenges the 1620s age for
the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Journal of Archaeological Science
Volume 25, Issue 3
March 1998, Pages 279-289
13 July 1997
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"To find two identical spirals among two cultures of which one was the older and was known to have influenced the other (and perhaps vice versa) is enough to raise questions concerning the origin of the spiral.
And the math that it required."
Maybe they just saw a snail and admired the spiral shape of the shell. No math needed, but it is a perfect expression of the golden mean.
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