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Central American Songbird Provides Confirmation of Intelligent Design
AP | 3/31/2005 | AP

Posted on 04/01/2006 10:50:28 AM PST by Condorman

Central American Songbird Provides Confirmation of Intelligent Design

Lincoln, NE (AP) - Researchers at the University of Nebraska have, for the first time, confirmed a prediction of the controversial theory known as intelligent design, or ID.  The unexpected discovery was made by Paavamanti Ashook and Jessica Aylesworth, two graduate students working under the direction of Dr. Peter Harl, a professor in the Department of Biology at the University of Nebraska, while they were sequencing a section of the genetic code for the turquoise-browed motmot, Eumomota superciliosa, a Central American songbird.

The Turquiose-browed Motmot of Central America may provide the first confirmation of Intelligent Design
Turquoise-browed Motmot

During the relatively routine procedure, the research team uncovered a gene in the turquoise-browed motmot that does not appear in any of its nearest relatives.  “It came as a complete surprise,” said Aylesworth, “when we showed Dr. Harl he went to the lab and reran the sequence himself.”

 “What we found is a gene with no evolutionary precursor,” said Dr. Harl. “There is no homologous gene in any other species of motmot. There's nothing like it in any other kingfisher that we can tell.  It looks like someone stuck in an extra gene in the middle of the genome when no one was looking.  At this point, the theory of evolution cannot provide a satisfactory answer.  ID provides an explanation that works.”

ID is the scientific theory that evolution was guided is some way by an intelligent force, and was the subject of a controversial court ruling in Dover, PA last December in which the school board was forbidden from mandating ID as part of the science curriculum.  Although the theory refuses to identify the designer, many adherents claim that the designer is God.  According to one interpretation of the theory, some animals will contain certain features without a direct evolutionary pathway, as if the designer inserted or deleted a component of the species independent of the commonly accepted forces of natural selection.

“We will need to do more research,” Ashook said, “In the meantime, this definitely causes problems for evolution. But as a scientist I have to choice but to follow the evidence.”

The team’s results will be published in the next issue of the journal The Natural World.


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Looks like ID may finally have produced a result. Now play nice. It's all fun and games, till someone loses an eye.
1 posted on 04/01/2006 10:50:29 AM PST by Condorman
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To: PatrickHenry

What do you think? One for the ping list?


2 posted on 04/01/2006 10:51:54 AM PST by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
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To: Condorman

Hmm...an unexplained gene in this very attractive bird. And that's evidence of Intelligent Design? I don't see how.

Is it yet to be explained? Perhaps. Is it evidence of ID? Again, it is evidence only that there is a gene unique to this species in that position. Why? Well...more study is needed.

Were I an ID advocate, I'd be just as cautious as anyone about proclaiming this as proof of that odd hypothesis.


3 posted on 04/01/2006 10:53:54 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Condorman

I have to ask, in that picture is that its tail hanging way down that far?


4 posted on 04/01/2006 10:54:40 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: K4Harty; js1138; Virginia-American
Reasearch ping!
5 posted on 04/01/2006 10:56:09 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: K4Harty

and Research Ping for all those who can use spell check.


6 posted on 04/01/2006 10:56:57 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: MineralMan

Whether or not it is proof doesn't matter much. Some of us don't need proof.


7 posted on 04/01/2006 10:57:23 AM PST by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: Condorman

Please provide a working link to this article. Thanks.


8 posted on 04/01/2006 10:57:33 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Condorman; Tribune7; Michael_Michaelangelo; scripter; editor-surveyor; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; ...
“What we found is a gene with no evolutionary precursor,”

Nice, but I would like to see the raw data, not that I don't trust an AP story...

10 posted on 04/01/2006 10:57:47 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Condorman
What do we call this, the April 1 gene?

A weak attempt at humor that unitentionally may track with the sort of the thing that actually happens.

There are intricate irreducibly complex marvels tucked away in genome that await an appropriate trigger. One of those triggers almost certainly is natural selection. Indeed, natural selection could be the sole trigger and be perfectly consistent with ID theory.

11 posted on 04/01/2006 11:00:11 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Spanaway Lori

"Whether or not it is proof doesn't matter much. Some of us don't need proof."

OK, then. Evidence is good. Science is based on it. Proof is really hard to come by.


12 posted on 04/01/2006 11:00:56 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Condorman

Spontaneous or chaotic mutation?


13 posted on 04/01/2006 11:01:14 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: Condorman

Brilliant little April Fools joke!


14 posted on 04/01/2006 11:01:35 AM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: JCEccles

"What do we call this, the April 1 gene? "

Could be an April Fool's thingie, I guess. However, I have no doubt that it will appear on every creationist and ID site within minutes, and then will be sent wending its way through the email pyramid.

Feh!


15 posted on 04/01/2006 11:02:23 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: K4Harty
"I have to ask, in that picture is that its tail hanging way down that far?"

The warble does seem a little high-pitched, doesn't it?

17 posted on 04/01/2006 11:05:35 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: AndrewC

O.K. No Peter Harl listed @ University

http://www.unomaha.edu/biology/

But there does seem to be a position open for in Genetics so I guess if Harl ever worked there his little theory got him canned LOL.

Also as you don't provide any link I searched AP and google news nada.

Can we get at least some evidence on this one?


19 posted on 04/01/2006 11:15:16 AM PST by JNL
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To: Condorman

HA


20 posted on 04/01/2006 11:17:42 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 360 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

21 posted on 04/01/2006 11:18:50 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: JNL

Well, actually, the main campus for Nebraska is in Lincoln, not Omaha, but I don't think it matters as you've already been hooked ;)


22 posted on 04/01/2006 11:21:44 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Condorman
This unexpected new evidence is causing me to re-think everything. Very disturbing.
23 posted on 04/01/2006 11:23:58 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Well, as the man said, we have no choice but to follow the evidence. I know where I'll be on Sunday morning.


24 posted on 04/01/2006 11:25:20 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: PatrickHenry
This unexpected new evidence is causing me to re-think everything. Very disturbing.

Science is self-correcting.

25 posted on 04/01/2006 11:25:59 AM PST by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
I know where I'll be on Sunday morning.

It's gonna take a lot more than one Sunday morning in your case.

26 posted on 04/01/2006 11:26:57 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: JNL

Don't expect any. But surely there is some irony in the choice of UofN, Lincoln for the howlers.


27 posted on 04/01/2006 11:30:18 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: PatrickHenry

There's where you're wrong - I've started working on an outline of what I need to cover the next time I go to confessional. A little confession, a little penance, and I'm good to go. It's been a while, though - so far the outline is up to 46 pages, single spaced. I'll probably be through with the outline and ready to start a rough draft pretty soon.


28 posted on 04/01/2006 11:32:12 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: AndrewC

Yeah (slaps head) I even went to the Lincoln site and looked up Harl at that point I clued in LOL.


29 posted on 04/01/2006 11:34:19 AM PST by JNL
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To: JNL

Well, there seem to be a few deleted posts. I don't recall them being offensive. Something's going on here.


30 posted on 04/01/2006 11:39:17 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
I too have much to repent. All this time I've been saying that the guys at the Discovery Institute are a pack of clowns. Now it turns out that they were on the right track all along.
31 posted on 04/01/2006 11:40:29 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Add some pictures, tables, and graphs. You may be able to get by with fewer pages of text that way and get your point across better. It should shorten the 'presentation' time.


32 posted on 04/01/2006 11:42:15 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: PatrickHenry

sounds like they're grasping at straws......again.


33 posted on 04/01/2006 11:58:06 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: ml1954

Say, that's much better than my original idea of an interactive puppet show...


34 posted on 04/01/2006 12:00:42 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Condorman
"Looks like ID may finally have produced a result."

This is indeed intriguing. I've met Dr. Harl before, and if he backs this then I have no choice but to believe it. I am also very familiar with The Natural World . It's a pretty respectable journal.

This could change our entire understanding of biology. Fascinating read!

35 posted on 04/01/2006 12:02:04 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Senator Bedfellow

It helps me keep my 'resume' up to date with minimal effort. I'm just not planning on making a 'presentation' until near death.


36 posted on 04/01/2006 12:06:09 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: ml1954; Senator Bedfellow
Say, that's much better than my original idea of an interactive puppet show...

I never thought of it before, but a confessional is about the same size and shape as a Punch and Judy theater.

I'm just not planning on making a 'presentation' until near death.

Following Constantine's good example.

37 posted on 04/01/2006 12:10:36 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: ml1954
Tough to time these things properly sometimes, though. Why take the chance you'll pass suddenly and not have an opportunity to get it all off your chest? Just get yourself one of these babies and do it all posthumously. That way, if you step in front of a bus one of these days, you're covered retroactively.
38 posted on 04/01/2006 12:14:47 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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This is indeed intriguing. I've met Dr. Harl before...

Harl, Harl, it reminds me of someone else at Nebraska ... on the tip of my tongue...

39 posted on 04/01/2006 12:15:14 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
I never thought of it before, but a confessional is about the same size and shape as a Punch and Judy theater.

Shhhhh, you'll give it all away.


40 posted on 04/01/2006 12:17:17 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Virginia-American
"Harl, Harl, it reminds me of someone else at Nebraska ... on the tip of my tongue..."

Not sure. Dr. Peter Harl is in his later 50's, hair kinda thin on the top. He speaks with a little stammer, but he's pretty captivating once he gets going with a topic. He came to a class I was taking as a guest speaker about 10 years ago.
41 posted on 04/01/2006 12:18:59 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Good idea. I had been counting on at least getting points for effort and intentions if the unexpected suddenly occurred, but this should work better.


42 posted on 04/01/2006 12:22:46 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: Condorman
Good try, but too late. Darwin Central has already sprung into action. Dr. Peter Harl? WHAT "Dr. Peter Harl"? The entire "University of Nebraska" from the historical record too if need be. Bwahahahahahaha!
43 posted on 04/01/2006 12:23:40 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Condorman
There's no link to the source. What gives?
44 posted on 04/01/2006 12:25:11 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Condorman; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
The researchers undoubtedly would have saved Federal grant money, time and trouble had they consulted a reputable ornithologist prior to trekking into the jungles of Central America in their Intelligent Design research.

It is without dispute among leading ornithologists that the British Bluetit preceded or, wrote the song, if you will, the creation or evolution of the Central American turquoise browed mot mot.

The British Bluetit has also been long revered for its rapturous song.


Listen to the bird sing.

45 posted on 04/01/2006 12:29:19 PM PST by bd476 (It is with great trepidation one wanders onto a Creation Evolution thread, please be gentle ;-))
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To: curiosity
The bird is real: Turquoise-browed Motmot.
46 posted on 04/01/2006 12:31:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Condorman
I did a little more research and found out that the gene that these researchers found, the BS 4u gene, may not be quite as new as this report makes it sound. It is polylitally zygometic with a gene, BS ru, found in a closely related species, Hylomanes momotula . We'll just have to see how this holds up.
47 posted on 04/01/2006 12:42:13 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry
PatrickHenry wrote: "The bird is real: Turquoise-browed Motmot."

No doubt about it, especially when you hear its song:

From the link: "The call is nasal, croaking and far-carrying."

48 posted on 04/01/2006 12:46:03 PM PST by bd476 (It is with great trepidation one wanders onto a Creation Evolution thread, please be gentle ;-))
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To: bd476
It is without dispute among leading ornithologists that the British Bluetit preceded or, wrote the song, if you will, the creation or evolution of the Central American turquoise browed mot mot.

I think they got the title wrong, though. In the picture, the motmot looks more like a kingfisher.

49 posted on 04/01/2006 12:48:03 PM PST by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
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To: Condorman

In the picture, the motmot looks more like a kingfisher.

With a tail like that?


50 posted on 04/01/2006 12:51:17 PM PST by Virginia-American
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