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Thinking The Unthinkable (Manufacturer considering leaving NASCAR)
autoextremist ^ | 4/19/06 | Ethanol Boy

Posted on 04/20/2006 7:24:45 AM PDT by Niteranger68

Detroit. It has come to our attention that serious discussions are taking place for the first time in the conference rooms of one domestic manufacturer in particular on a subject heretofore unthinkable in Detroit. The subject? Pulling out of NASCAR. Yes, it has been mentioned before, and I have predicted it for months now - ever since the announcement was made that Toyota would be buying its way into the France family circus - but we have confirmation that not only are the discussions taking place, they're so far down the road that a timetable for a pullout has been created, taking into account the end dates of existing contracts with individual racing teams currently aligned with this particular manufacturer.

The fact that it has finally come to this is no real surprise. Several years ago, we pieced together evidence that each of the Detroit-based car companies were spending in the neighborhood of $140 million each, annually, on their NASCAR endeavors. That figure accounts for engineering and wind-tunnel work, direct payments to the teams, personal services contracts with the drivers, promotional programs, race sponsorships, advertising, etc., etc. In the Big Picture of things, when multinational companies are spending double that amount for the "privilege" of competing in Formula 1, that would seem like no big deal, but taking into account the factors that matter most to the Detroit car companies right now, that dollar figure is a very big deal.

And what are those factors? Beyond the obvious pressures being generated by Detroit's dire financial straits, one thing in particular is driving these "pulling out of NASCAR" discussions to critical levels - and that is NASCAR's full-on push and investment in its much-hyped "Car of Tomorrow." The COT is NASCAR's new "spec" car, and it takes NASCAR's template philosophy to its logical conclusions. The COT could easily be called a "NASCAR Special" or whatever the marketing name that the hype-masters in Daytona Beach will want to call it, because any connection to what the manufacturers are producing has been well and truly broken. I contend, of course, that the connection was broken long ago, but the Detroit manufacturers have been clinging to a shred of a connection and amusing themselves with the annual massaging of their various models' grille openings, nose shapes and headlight decals.

Until now, anyway.

Now, the realization has finally sunk in for one manufacturer, apparently, and taking everything into account and putting everything on the table, there's no longer the blind allegiance to NASCAR at this company, which is a seismic shift if you know anything about this town's slavish devotion to all things NASCAR on and off for the last 50 years.

NASCAR has been living large off the Detroit car companies' cash trough for so long now that they don't even care anymore, as all sense of reality left the NASCAR offices in Daytona Beach and New York long ago. The NASCAR attitude goes something like this: If a Detroit manufacturer drops out, it's "whatever" - because Toyota is stepping up to the plate. And if another manufacturer drops out, no worries, because eventually we'll just market our own NASCAR "Specials" and then we won't have to pay any manufacturer rights fees ever again.

But for one particular Detroit manufacturer it's no longer "whatever" - and messing with the sanctity of the NASCAR budget is no longer unthinkable - it's very real, very calculated and very imminent.

This Detroit manufacturer has decided that if it competes in motorsports in the future, it will only compete in three basic areas: 1. In production-based racing series that by rule and specification retain more than a passing resemblance to the cars they sell and the competitors they compete against in showrooms. 2. "Technical" efforts, in other words, engine programs for open-wheel and prototype racing series, but stopping short of Formula 1. And 3. Developing an effort to compete for the overall victory at Le Mans. Any other efforts, grass-roots racing, drag racing, etc., would be covered as the need and budget allow.

This particular manufacturer has finally come to the stark realization that their NASCAR involvement has done more for NASCAR than anything else. NASCAR exists for its benefit and profitability first and foremost - everything else is secondary to that fundamental premise. The relentless hype of NASCAR and its sponsors by NASCAR itself and its enablers at the TV networks has resulted in dramatically diminished returns for the participating manufacturers - and pretending that NASCAR's popularity has done wonders for these car companies in the showrooms amounts to the Big Lie. The fact of the matter is that the increase in the popularity of NASCAR over the last ten years has seen a corresponding decrease in the participating domestic manufacturers sales fortunes. And there's not one NASCAR-sponsored survey that can possibly suggest otherwise, no matter how hard they try to "cook" the numbers.

Immersed in a battle for the hearts and minds of American consumers, this manufacturer has finally taken the blinders off and decided that the blind devotion to all things NASCAR has run its course and now must come to a stop.

In other words, the $140 million that was previously earmarked for NASCAR, will be put to very good use.

Stay tuned, because we'll have more on this story in the coming weeks.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: nascar
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I would just love to see Brian "Babyboy" Frances' little NASCAR utopia go up in smoke. Forget Toyota. If NASCAR loses Ford and/or Chevrolet, you can kiss the popularity of the sport goodbye. Being a Ford fan, I actually hope they are the first to get gone. Don’t get me wrong. I love auto racing and especially the “stocks”, but I have no loyalty toward NASCAR since they have essentially ignored the original fans.
1 posted on 04/20/2006 7:24:48 AM PDT by Niteranger68
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To: RacerF150
You cannot keep NASCAR alive with anemic American auto manufacturers alone.

Toyota will most certainly come in, as well as others...

NASCAR will go global, and there is no way to stop it.IMO.

2 posted on 04/20/2006 7:28:58 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RacerF150

I have an uncle that has been a nascar fan since the late 60's that was until a few years ago. He complains it has gotten to much like wrestling and they no longer use stock cars.


3 posted on 04/20/2006 7:30:13 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: RacerF150

Amen. NASCARS's rush to embrace Toyota and their move towards a NASCAR spec racer means that there is absolutely zero incentive for the domestic car builders to stay associated with the sport. I'd love to see the domestics develope and encourage stock series based on the ponies.


4 posted on 04/20/2006 7:30:15 AM PDT by GungaLaGunga
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To: GungaLaGunga

NASCAR is probably self-perpetuating at this point. The "stock" car fig leaf can be abandoned. The sports fans understand what the cars are.

Having said that it's nice to see one Detroit Automaker grow up. Jeeze, talk about stuck inside your little box.

How much you want to bet it's Dodge - the LeMans quip makes me think that because Mercedes has traditionally competed in LeMans.

Which means the two Detroit managed companies, you know the ones that are bleeding cash, will continue to play the game. Weird.

BTW: While no companies have left I believe Pontiac dropped out. I think if you go all the way back to the founding there were more marques, if not more companies.


5 posted on 04/20/2006 7:34:42 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: TXBSAFH

Are there any rear-wheel drive carbureted V-8 cars on the market?


6 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:09 AM PDT by Toby06 (Make illegal immigration illegal!)
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To: GungaLaGunga
I'd love to see the domestics develope and encourage stock series based on the ponies.

I just read a story the other day that indicated NASCAR was considering the "pony" route for the Busch series to make it less fruitful for the Cup drivers to run Busch. They are just too collectively stupid to realize that tinkering with one element screws up ten others.

7 posted on 04/20/2006 7:37:26 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: RacerF150
Where can I get a NASCAR rule book or are the rules sort of like the rules in WWE? I always thought it odd that so many fans speak of the rules but have never seen or read (if they actually can) a rule book.

What I understand is that all of the engines (motors, BTW are powered by electricity) have to have pushrod operated overhead valves. So, does the "Toyota" have to use an engine based on a Chevy smallblock like the Fords and Dodges?


I am only drawn to open class racing like Indy used to be but what we have in NE and NY in the form of super modified open wheel asphalt roadsters. (firebreathing alcohol fueled injected bigblocks with wings and gumball slicks)
8 posted on 04/20/2006 7:37:47 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Cold Heat
You cannot keep NASCAR alive with anemic American auto manufacturers alone.

It had worked well for 50ish years and during several bad runs for the big 3.

9 posted on 04/20/2006 7:39:41 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: TXBSAFH

NASCAR = Bad Racing
SPEED World Challenge,
ALMS,
Moto GP = Good Racing


10 posted on 04/20/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by ElTianti
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To: Final Authority
What I understand is that all of the engines (motors, BTW are powered by electricity) have to have pushrod operated overhead valves. So, does the "Toyota" have to use an engine based on a Chevy smallblock like the Fords and Dodges?

That is my understanding, but the NASCAR spec also calls for a carbureted engine. I don't think any manufacturer has produced a vehicle with a carb for at least the last 10 years.

11 posted on 04/20/2006 7:44:33 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: RacerF150

"It has come to our attention "

From who?


12 posted on 04/20/2006 7:44:54 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
From who?

I would suspect the dreaded "unnamed source".

13 posted on 04/20/2006 7:50:45 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: RacerF150
If anyone is up near Niagara Falls in the summer, on a Saturday night, (check the race date first) take a trip to Oswego and see the super modifieds race on the 5/8-mile banked oval. Bring ear plugs or ear protectors because it is like the sound of several top alcohol drag cars constantly for the night. It will wear you out just listening and watching. I my opinion, this is racing on four wheels and you can download a rule book (at least a few years ago one could).
14 posted on 04/20/2006 7:52:38 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: RacerF150
The Detroit manufacturers have pulled out of NASCAR more than one time before with no notable effect on the racing. Then, they came crawling back when they fell behind the competition in showroom sales.

Besides, the $140 million amount mentioned in this BS article isn't a huge bit of sponsorship money these days. Nextel recently came in with $billions and all the other cell phone companies are scrambling for a quarter panel so fast that even the beer companies are having a problem keeping up. And did someone mention Toyota? It's also notable that this BS article never names the manufacturer.

15 posted on 04/20/2006 7:59:10 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: RacerF150

I'd much rather see that money going into WRC if I could choose.


16 posted on 04/20/2006 8:01:23 AM PDT by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: Jack Black

How much you want to bet it's Dodge



Actually, my guess was Ford, because of their history with LeMans going back to the mid 60's with the GT40. now they have the Ford GT. Ford builds motors for IRL and CART, and they don't have any role in F1, unlike Mercedes.

Ford participates in Paris-Dakar, Baja, WRC, AMLS, and host of other outside the US racing series, so much so that the $140mil outlay could really boost their global presence.


17 posted on 04/20/2006 8:03:07 AM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascism)
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To: RacerF150
Check out: http://www.ismasupers.com/

Just in case you aren't familiar with this form of auto racing. The pictures say a thousand words. In a magazine article (too many popups and advertising for me to link however) the author reports that at Oswego the cars get around the oval in a little over 14 seconds at average speeds of 160 MPH. The G forces must be incredible. The author says it they are the fastest four wheeled machines in NA on a circuit. Since we have no NA based F1 program, she might be right.
18 posted on 04/20/2006 8:06:48 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: SFC Chromey

AMLS=ALMS, need...more...coffeee!


19 posted on 04/20/2006 8:07:01 AM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascism)
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To: SFC Chromey
Actually, my guess was Ford, because of their history with LeMans going back to the mid 60's with the GT40. now they have the Ford GT. Ford builds motors for IRL and CART, and they don't have any role in F1, unlike Mercedes.

Actually I think for 2006, Ford is exclusive to ChampCar and Honda is exclusive to IRL. But Ford has been involved in these two, plus F1 over the last many years, so your point is well stated.

20 posted on 04/20/2006 8:08:15 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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