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Sodom-on-the-Hudson Chicks: The Does Anyone Remember Molly Seidel or Emily Erwin?
none ^ | 5-26-06 | Dangus

Posted on 05/26/2006 7:28:02 PM PDT by dangus

Long, Long ago, in a pickup truck far, far away, Molly Seidel and Emily Erwin were just two rather talented, Southern musicians. Then, like the Little Rascals' remake of "Faust," (or, "Damned Yankees,") Natalie Maines was plunked in their midst.

Ms. Maines is a short, stubby woman of no obvious talent or beauty. But her rock-and-roll attitude was just the twist that the Dixie Chicks needed to differentiate themselves from the kind of passable bluegrass music that is most useful for the background music of a Ken Burns documentary. Up through 2002, with the exception of "Landslide," the Dixie Chicks' style remained solidly bluegrass.

If ever there was a song that highlighted Natalie's shortcomings, it was the remake of Fleetwood Mac's "Landslide." Molly and Emily did a fine job performing "Landslide" as a bluegrass song, but the song's innate musicality belongs more to Berkeley than Birmingham.

Emily's pregnancy would've fit into a true Dixie video just fine; but Berkley women don't reproduce; they just worship Gaia, so there was no reconciling the imagery. The result was a four-minute long eau-de-Toilette commercial. Emily's very pregnant appearance made her look like something out of an Anne Gedes photoshoot, and made Natalie look like something out of "Bride of Chucky." And Natalie's singing made Stevie Nicks sound good, which is pretty bad since Stevie sounds a lot like Katherine Hepburn accepting her lifetime achievement Oscar.

Nonetheless, songs like "Long Time Gone" were radio-friendly enough to make a huge hit out of the album. Her anti-war comments came as the country audience was just about wearing thin, but brought in a whole new audience: the DailyKOS / Democratic Underground / Move On crowd, who didn't know what good bluegrass sounded like.

As much as they'd like to claim victimhood, the country crowd always knew the Dixie Chicks were liberals. And they didn't care until the Dixie Chicks slammed their commander-in-chief on foreign soil during a time of war. Rather than apologize, the Dixie Chicks proclaimed their freedom of speech and bitterly denounced how horrible it was that people exercise their freedom of speech to criticize the Dixie Chicks.

Quite unjustly, Natalie became the center of attention, but the Chicks caught on among an audience which is otherwise shocked and offended by the use of the word "chick," and whose only previous exposure to country music was K.D. Lang.

But what Hell Molly and Emily must be in now! Trying desperately to pump up album sales so as to get Natalie's "message" heard, the record company has thrown an incredibly lavish production behind Natalie: a gospel choir for backup, a full symphony orchestra for accompaniment, and a slew of songwriters and producers to give her something to sing. All of which leaves Molly and Emily about as useful as Stevie Nicks during a Lindsay Buckingham song. Even the video comes off looking like the pretty (Ok, passable) girls defending the ugly girl from schoolyard taunts.

If there was any question of the recording industry's leftism, would someone please explain the fortune invested into spreading Ms. Maines' new gospel? After all, that's left of the Chicks is Maines' weak voice, almost drowned out by over-production. Granted, there have been Pop acts that don't display any more talent, but then Brittney Spears doesn't look like Murphy Brown's 63-year-old face superimposed onto Uncle Fester's body. Yet.

Poor Molly and Emily. Other people are now telling them what to sing, what to wear, what (not) to play. But at least they have their artistic freedom.


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1 posted on 05/26/2006 7:28:04 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

DRATS! WHY do I never see the screw-ups on the edit page?


2 posted on 05/26/2006 7:32:32 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

3 posted on 05/26/2006 7:40:42 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: dangus

I do. Back before the ugly one joined the group they had another singer and I actually enjoyed watching and listening to them. Sad state of affairs.


4 posted on 05/26/2006 7:42:36 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: dangus
Notice how, even on their promo photos, two of the Dixie Chicks look like they are sneering in disgust. I also posted this in case some people thought I was being mean with the Murphy Brown comment. The former look of the Dixie Chicks. Serious question: How does liberalism make people so damned ugly? (referring mostly to Natalie.) Heck, in a really wierd way, even Jeanine Garofolo used to be cute. (In fact, I just saw some reeeeeally old pictures of Candice Bergen...)
5 posted on 05/26/2006 7:43:10 PM PDT by dangus
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To: misterrob

O my goodness! What was she doing? Posing for Weekly World News' drawings of Bat Boy?


6 posted on 05/26/2006 7:44:07 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Grrr! I called Martie Emily throughout, and I called Emily Mollie! That's it I'm firing my editor! What? I don't HAVE an editor? No wonder my editing stinks. OK... I'm offering 50% of all grosses for an editor. (There IS an obvious catch.)


7 posted on 05/26/2006 7:47:30 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Boy, they're getting ugly!
8 posted on 05/26/2006 7:55:50 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Great, I'm hired!

(I like your writing style.)


9 posted on 05/26/2006 9:37:23 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: dangus
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10 posted on 05/26/2006 10:45:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

huh-hoh! THAT'S COOL!


11 posted on 05/26/2006 11:01:05 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
DRATS! WHY do I never see the screw-ups on the edit page?

No worries, your piece was great! I have to admit that I've never heard anything by the Dicksie Chicks, and didn't even know what they looked like. You've insulted Murphy Brown *wink*

12 posted on 05/27/2006 4:44:47 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: JohnHuang2; kinoxi; LeoWindhorse; Restorer; durasell; 13Sisters76; gakrak; ABG(anybody but Gore); ..

Since y'all appreciated Boone's take, I thought you might appreciate a FReeper's. Mine... (I'm somewhat crueler.)

OK, I'm trawling for hits. :^D But I think you'll be glad you came. Be sure to invite friends/pings if you like it.


13 posted on 05/27/2006 2:53:19 PM PDT by dangus
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To: martin_fierro
LOL!
14 posted on 05/27/2006 2:56:43 PM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: dangus
Now that is funny.

Was this really a magazine cover parody? LOL.

15 posted on 05/27/2006 3:03:49 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dangus

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't prescribe to the theory that in order to disagree with someone you have to minimize their talent. Natalie Maines has a great voice and more music talent than most of us have in our little finger, so you can take me off your list.


16 posted on 05/27/2006 3:13:44 PM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: dangus
That recent picture is suppose to be an improvement.

Supposedly 2 if not all 3 just had some expensive plastic recontruction.

17 posted on 05/27/2006 3:45:01 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Hildy
Natalie Maines has a great voice and more music talent than most of us have in our little finger, so you can take me off your list.

I play keyboard and piano, so I DO have a little bit of talent in my little finger, lol....I had to read this about three times..you DO realize what you said, right? Maybe a smiley :) at the end?

18 posted on 05/27/2006 3:51:44 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Brain cells come and brain cells go, but FAT cells live forever!)
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To: greyfoxx39
No, I meant it. But in my defense, I said she had more talent in her little finger than MOST people here have. :)
19 posted on 05/27/2006 4:08:44 PM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: Hildy
Natalie Maines has a great voice and more music talent than most of us have in our little finger,

Ummmm......that ain't much music talent.

My chickens play a mean piano.....with their beaks.

20 posted on 05/27/2006 4:14:15 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I can explain to you, but I can't make you understand it.)
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To: dangus

With the nude magazine cover, they've sunk to Madonna's level...cheap flesh stunts to get attention. What's next, natalie...gonna put yourself up on a cross?


21 posted on 05/27/2006 4:24:22 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Hildy

>> I don't prescribe to the theory that in order to disagree with someone you have to minimize their talent. <<

I do agree with you, and I did try to respect the talent possessed by "Molly" (oops) and Emily. I am very unimpressed with Natalie's voice. Part of the shock which inspired the article is the "injustice" of seeing Natalie made into the superstar while the others' talents rot.

By the way, I didn't think it a necessary part of the article to state so, but I certainly wouldn't want to denigrate the artistic talent of "studio" performers, either... It's just that they are so misused.


22 posted on 05/27/2006 4:28:25 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

The Dixie Chicks were nothing until Maines came along..they were lucky to play County Fairs. Natalie was the star. Period. Unimpresses with her voice? Give me a break. You might be unimpressed, but I think the majority would disagree with you.


23 posted on 05/27/2006 4:30:27 PM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: Hildy

You related to Natalie? Just asking.


24 posted on 05/27/2006 4:32:33 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Brain cells come and brain cells go, but FAT cells live forever!)
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To: greyfoxx39

One has to be related to the girl to think she has great voice? I think she's a pig, but she sure can sing.


25 posted on 05/27/2006 4:33:22 PM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: Hildy; dangus
How many people have you polled, Hildy.

Try polling us here at FR Hildy....

..I dare say MOST are unimpressed with Natalie's voice......OK.

26 posted on 05/27/2006 4:34:04 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere
Now for silliness:

I'm not saying Natalie's voice sucks or anything, but Paula Abdul informed her William Hung needed some backup singers. Not Simon, but Paula...

That's gotta hoit.

27 posted on 05/27/2006 4:41:28 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Guenevere

>> Supposedly 2 if not all 3 just had some expensive plastic recontruction. <<

Sad. Self-expression comes down to self-mutilation so you can pose in some gay misogynist's clothing line while a hired orchestra and choir performs songs you didn't write.


28 posted on 05/27/2006 4:43:54 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I thought that it was Mardy, not Molly.

I used to have the biggest crush on Emily.

Mark


29 posted on 05/27/2006 7:53:23 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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Ms. Maines is a short, stubby woman of no obvious talent or beauty.

Sorry to disagree, but if Natalie went to the Berkeley School of Music, she's got talent. It's one of the premiere music schools in the nation, and it's VERY tough to get in.

Mark

30 posted on 05/27/2006 7:56:56 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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Ooops. The reference to Berkley was to the West Coast hippy center of anti-Americanism. Real writers learn to avoid ambiguous references.


31 posted on 05/27/2006 9:48:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: MarkL

And yes, I've known several people who have attended Berklee (that's how the Boston school is spelled, isn't it?), given that I was a (meagerly talent) musician living in Boston for three years.

And yes, it is "Martie," not Molly. I caught that too late to fix it. I already fired my editor over that one. (see post 7)


32 posted on 05/27/2006 9:51:34 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Serious question: How does liberalism make people so damned ugly?

Because if there is injustice anywhere in the world, they have been brainwashed to believe that it is somehow their fault for not suffering along with the victims. Unearned guilt, and the impotent rage that comes with it, twists and distorts their features over time.

Unfortunately, those who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin end up looking the same way...for the same reason.

33 posted on 05/27/2006 9:57:18 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: dangus

http://www.premenstrualsyndrome.com/


34 posted on 05/28/2006 1:41:13 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Build the fence. Sí, Se Puede!)
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To: dangus

Thanks for sending this to me. I happen to loathe these "twisted sisters"- as much for their politics as for their lack of true talent, a lack shared by most of the newer chick singers. They all seem to feel they must be Britney Spears.

I also turn my nose up at groups formed by record companies. If they didn't start out in their parents' garage, basement or barn- I ain't interested! ;)


35 posted on 05/28/2006 4:47:19 AM PDT by 13Sisters76
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To: Hildy
One has to be related to the girl to think she has great voice? I think she's a pig, but she sure can sing.

Well, I always thought she was the best looking of the group before they all butched up, at least in those air brushed pictures the put on magazines-- she has striking eyes while the others look too bland.

But great voice? Good, sure-- good enough to power a medicore group that impressed alterna-country "roots" fans who think Hank Williams, Jr. sucks becuase he rocks too much. Maines did have some vocal power, true. But her voice is syrupy, without distinctiveness and has only gotten more so-- just compare her and Stevie Nicks singing the same song. Singing harmonies with fiddle accompaniments doesn't make a group talented, it just makes it more likely for Garrison Keillor to think they're talented. Remember, they need to be compare to others who are in their field and have had their success, not to so and so who never had a music lesson.

36 posted on 05/28/2006 5:38:06 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: dangus
ckick-chick-chick

dumb broads.....

37 posted on 05/28/2006 8:03:44 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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Grrr! I called Martie Emily throughout, and I called Emily Mollie! That's it I'm firing my editor!

Actually, in a way you highlighted your point that the other two Dixie Chicks (the ones with looks and talent) have been rendered forgettable in light of Maines' behavior.

In truth, I didn't even realize you got their names wrong until I read this post.

38 posted on 05/28/2006 8:28:54 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: dangus
which is pretty bad since Stevie sounds a lot like Katherine Hepburn accepting her lifetime achievement Oscar.

I can't think of a better description than this one. Yeah, I still love Stevie Nicks though.

39 posted on 05/28/2006 8:30:24 AM PDT by Drew68
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They were the top selling country record of 2003 and had the top grossing tour. But all those people weren't as smart as you. OK.


40 posted on 05/28/2006 8:33:38 AM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: dangus
In the "after" picture, comparisons to ugly men are unsettling. Natalie looks like Willem Dafoe and -- with a haircut and dye job -- Emily looks too much like Edward Norton.

Luckily for Martie, her curse is that she is a twin for John Kerry's daughter who wore the see-through dress at Cannes. She is not as harshly unattractive as the other two in this publicity photo.

Happy does wonders for a person's appearance. It seems that all we're going to see from these gals is a lot of bitter and ugly.

41 posted on 05/28/2006 8:57:47 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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They were the top selling country record of 2003 and had the top grossing tour. But all those people weren't as smart as you. OK.

Come on, that's not fair! Are you claiming that you've liked every popular act, or that every popular act is good, or that intelliegnce is demonstrated by taste in music? Many people smarter than me liked the Dixie Chicks, probably including you. But so what? Being smarter doesn't make someone right. Jimmy Carter... enough said.

If you look at what I said, I agreed with you that Natalie had a good voice and that she provided the impetus for their popularity. I even went further than you and gave another reason for their popularity at the time--- I said I thought she was hot!

That's a LOT of positive stuff to've said about them given the nature of the thread! Even YOU didn't srespond to people saying Maines was an ugly pig!

But yes, taking all of that into consideration, I do still think they suck. I was always annoyed when they were presented as "real country" as opposed to singers I actually liked like Garth Brooks who were supposed to be "fakes" and their homey, overdone "it's-just-little-old-us" style also always annoyed me. I was completely unsurprised when they came out as leftists becuase the tone of their songs was always in that Peter, Paul and Mary kind of mold. So, just as Time Magazine feels the country has caught up to them, I feel conservatives have finally caught up to me. Now, if Sean Hannity would get rid of that nonsensical anti-male "Let the Right be Wrong" song, I'll be happy. But--- to each their own!

42 posted on 05/28/2006 8:59:10 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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I'm just tired of people coming on FR and diminishing the talent of people they disagree with. I GET IT that you don't think they're that good. OK...SO WHAT? And you'd be surprised how many Country stars are leftists. They're just smart enough not to talk about it.

The problem is you're still stuck in the REAL vs. NEW COUNTRY mindset. Well, the new Country is making gobs of money so new country will be considered REAL country. But again, what's the difference..listen to what you want. Obviously their music isn't up to your standards, but for the rest of us who don't really take it all that seriously, they were pretty damn good.


43 posted on 05/28/2006 9:04:40 AM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: Ghengis
After a secod look, I think I reversed Martie and Emily.

Hmmm...I guess two interchangable bookends in the background is how most of us look at Martie and Emily when supporting Natalie.

44 posted on 05/28/2006 9:05:01 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: MarkL; dangus; Guenevere

MarkL, I sure agree with you on Emily. Back when she was a blonde, there was never on this earth a woman less in need of plastic surgery!

But real soon after they hit it big, the blonde Emily went away, and for me that was a big sign of trouble for the quality of that group. The hair color change was the warning siren for things to come!

Ah, yes, I bought the packaging! You bet!


45 posted on 05/28/2006 9:23:19 AM PDT by Museum Twenty (Proudly supporting President George W. Bush - Proudly shouting "Rumsfeld '08!")
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To: Hildy
And you'd be surprised how many Country stars are leftists. They're just smart enough not to talk about it.

The problem is you're still stuck in the REAL vs. NEW COUNTRY mindset. Well, the new Country is making gobs of money so new country will be considered REAL country. But again, what's the difference..listen to what you want. Obviously their music isn't up to your standards, but for the rest of us who don't really take it all that seriously, they were pretty damn good.

Hey, I like a lot of groups and singers who don't have political views I respect. For instance, Metallica says these days that they're ashamed of their patriotic song "Don't Tread On Me". Well, too bad for them--- they already made it and I already like it. And I know tons of country stars are leftists-- that's why it annoys me when Hannity acts like that isn't the case and Country is supposed to be just-oh-so-different than other genres.

I didn't think I was taking them too seriously. Aren't there any groups you don't like? Don't you ever talk about that? Besides, weren't the Dixie Chicks supposed to be "real Country" and Shania Twian and the more pop style stars "new"? You're absolutely right a lot of people like a lot of music I don't like. That I have an opinion doesn't mean I think my opinion reigns supreme over all of those that disagree with it. I don't claim to be a country music expert or any kind of expert. To me, "Freedom Costs a Buck O'Five" is a good country song, at least for most of it.

The Dixie Chicks must have done something right to inspire so much passion in you. Maybe I'll check out one of their albums again.

46 posted on 05/28/2006 9:32:31 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir
LOL! You know, honestly I really don't care that much about the Chicks' music. I find it so incredible how they keep sabotoging their own careers. It's actually fun to watch. I got a kick out of the lyrics of their new song, NOT READY TO MAKE NICE...

First she says,

I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’

I know you said
Can’t you just get over it
It turned my whole world around
And I kind of like it

Then, this:

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waiting

It doesn't make any sense!!!!

47 posted on 05/28/2006 9:44:01 AM PDT by Hildy ("Whenever someone smiles at me all I see is a chimpanzee begging for its life." - Dwight Schrute)
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To: dangus
Emily's pregnancy would've fit into a true Dixie video just fine; but Berkley women don't reproduce; they just worship Gaia, so there was no reconciling the imagery. The result was a four-minute long eau-de-Toilette commercial. Emily's very pregnant appearance made her look like something out of an Anne Gedes photoshoot, and made Natalie look like something out of "Bride of Chucky." And Natalie's singing made Stevie Nicks sound good, which is pretty bad since Stevie sounds a lot like Katherine Hepburn accepting her lifetime achievement Oscar.

ROTFLMAO! I love it!

48 posted on 05/29/2006 12:04:40 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Hildy
The problem is you're still stuck in the REAL vs. NEW COUNTRY mindset.

New Country is what used to be called rock n roll...just sung with a southern accent.
49 posted on 05/29/2006 12:12:29 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: I got the rope

Thanks... I was wondering if anyone would follow the link from the Da Vinci column... and I was kinda wondering if anyone had seen the video so they would get that paragraph; it's my personal favorite, but I also knew it required the most familiarity.


50 posted on 05/29/2006 12:19:57 AM PDT by dangus
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