Posted on 08/04/2006 8:27:36 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
On August 4th, we found out that Lenovo Group, the company that has taken over IBM's Personal Computing Division, had made a deal with Novell Inc. to preload SLED 10 (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop) on its ThinkPad T60p mobile workstation.
For the first time, a major OEM (original equipment manufacturer) has committed to preloading a Linux desktop.
(Excerpt) Read more at desktoplinux.com ...
It took a while to download (I essentially have 768k download speed at home), but I burned it to a single DVD. It installed, booted, up and configured itself perfectly to a desktop I had put together from scavenged parts. It even configured itself to my HP Photosmart 7350 printer first time, no hassle.
If I still owned my small business (about 20 workstations), I would change over entirely to SLED 10.
That sounds great till you realize the license they're using requires they give the right to duplicate their software away infinitely away to anyone in the world, for free. China doesn't have to pay a dime for all the copies of Suse they care to make, they might but they don't have to if they don't want, and from what I've heard they never paid Sun a dime over that Linux deal they had with them.
Microsoft needs competition. That's a good old American virtue, too. I plan never to make the way too expensive jump to Vista. There will be plenty who will continue to pay enormous sums to Bill--any amount he demands.
I sure don't know of any, I'd recommend Apple today if you want someone who's releasing something new and fresh right now. With all respect Linux is nowhere close, and a primary driver at Novell is to clone Microsoft technology using something they call Mono, so they are obviously far behind both.
Says the man who cries about insults
Stallman and Torvald's
There you go again, lumping together two guys who don't get a long and hardly agree on anything..
foreign software
Suse is a Novell product (American Company) with a good deal of development going on in Utah (American State)..
And no, I didn't push them either. Didn't have to. Of course there was no internet then either.
I did push USR Courier modems over Hayes back in the day when I ran a BBS. But they were American so I guess that doesn't count as a strike against me.
BTW: The BBS I ran was RBBS in BASIC; opensource for its day. Modify and recompile and run it if you wanted. Of course if you didn't have a compiler, since the source was readily available, you could run it under the interpreted BASIC ROM that used to be standard on the original PC's. Not that I did of course. While I didn't have a BASIC compiler, I knew someone who did.
But I digress.
Now choices are coming from all over. USR is basically dead (now part of 3Com), and Hayes? What the hell ever happened to Hayes? I lost track.
Where was I?
Anyway, the IBM T30 I'm typing this on was an actual IBM American company device - made in China. I know this because it says so on the back, that, and I tracked its shipment online; left Asia via Hoing Kong to the states via Seattle.
The IBM I had before that, was made in Mexico.
Now IBM doesn't own them, but they're still made in China.
Novell's SuSE orginated in Germany, and is now American.
Go figure.
I like Linux. It's given me back control of MY computer. It belongs to me, not Bill Gates. The software it runs is of MY choosing, not Bill Gates. I can delete a window manger, file manager, web browser, and install any replacement I want, and not have it affect the underlying OS in any way shape or form!
That's FREEDOM BABY!
An American trait. You might want to read up on it some time.
Not true at all, nothing gets into the kernel without his direct blessing, and there is no discussion of a fork whatsoever.
since they're both free, it should be no skin off of anyone's nose who opts for which.
Only if you are incapable of comprehending the difference between the use of domestic products versus foreign products. Especially if as in this case it has the unique twist of American intellectually property being given away to the rest of the world for free, UN style.
State control through market interference and taxation is truly deplorable.
Absolutely extremist, but that is the position of the GNU and the FSF, both controlled by Stallman and maintainers of the GPL license.
It's very difficult for the consumer to grasp that what they have in their hands isn't theirs to do with as they please.
Not really, if they understand how music of all types has been licensed for decades.
The Apple II, by contrast, was a black box. If you wanted a schematic of it, you had to be good with a logic probe and an ohmmeter; you sure weren't going to get one from Apple
Who in the world told you this? My first Apple ][ came with a schematic right in the box, and my first 80 column mod used a hook clip to interface to the circuit board. This is easily confirmed elsewhere.
People like LINUX because they can get into the guts and wrench on it if they want to.
People in the US have been tweaking BSD internally since before Linux even existed. Now there's OpenSolaris as well.
Actually, I do like my XP Pro; it's been the best Microsoft O/S I've used, so I plan to hang with it for at least a few more years. But, my corporate IT guru has a Mac Book with dual core Intel CPU architecture that is truly a thing of beauty. When I first saw it, he had it running XP Pro inside of a Parallels virtual machine.
Sounds pretty cool, although I would prefer to have Windows running native on the host and OSX/BSD running in a VM, although that's legally/technically not possible yet even on a Mac. Thanks for at least being reasonable, you seem more tollerant of Linux than anything, which I can respect, the guys I seem to have the most problem with are those that constantly push the foreign fakes, then attack me for putting American products first.
Cool.
Now if I can get my paws on an internal DVD burner (saving up for one), I'll start sticking with the Enterprise versions...
I wasn't thrilled with Suse 10.1...
BSD and Solaris are open source and American, why you can't use them you never can say, other than mumbling more insults at Americans like Gates.
Er, not exactly.
Plan 9 was originally designed to be the successor to Unix. But it hasn't panned out and is now more of a testing ground for new technologies. Some use it as an OS, but it's rather incomplete and difficult to adjust even for experienced Unix specialists.
"That would be fine if all you wanted to do was tinker, but nah you guys come on here and carry Stallman and Torvald's water constantly, now down to pushing Chicom systems just because they run your preferred foreign software"
OK, fine. Now I dare you to show us three unadulterated posts where we've explicitly carried Stallman's water.
Rather, any intelligent poster or lurker can easily find that any of these threads where you don't post garbage is composed of several FReepers who enjoy using Linux and provide a small virtual LUG within the FR community.
If you like MS, why not start a pro-MS group here with your buddies?
You should try Solaris if BSD is too hard for you, it's American, more mature, and has several advanced features now and upcoming that don't exist on Linux."
I didn't say BSD was too hard for me. What I said is that it often isn't able to do my day-to-day stuff like I can do on Linux, Mac, or Windows. However, I did acknowledge that BSD is getting better and is making improvements that perhaps one day will put it on par with Linux and Mac as being a viable desktop OS.
Finally, I've tried Solaris. Still prefer Linux. Not saying Solaris is bad; just personal preference.
When Torvalds starts using different license and software other than Stallman's let me know.
Once again, you fail to listen to what's been said.
Torvalds originally took the GPL v.2 because more or less it was the best one out there that would protect the rights of people to use his new kernel and develop it further. The nicer thing is that he could still retain credit for his work. Many of the other licenses out there at the time were far less restrictive and theoretically could have taken his work out of his hands forever by unscrupulous people or deals gone amok.
In short, the GPL protected not only Torvalds' rights as the original developer, but was flexible enough such that others had the right to embellish and add-on to his work. That's what made Linux the OS it is today.
With the drafts of GPL v.3 showing that it is indeed a rather political document to say the least, Torvalds basically said he wasn't interested as the drafts were written. This isn't to say Linus won't use the new version of the GPL, but judging from the latest drafts it appears unlikely at best.
Basically, Linus just ain't seeing what's so great about the new version of the GPL. RMS OTOH is hoping it'll stick. That means his personal agenda is attached to the open-source movement, permanently politicizing it to a sickening degree.
Of course, Torvalds doesn't want to see the politicizing that the new GPL will likely cause.
That's the point. But you completely miss it.
BTW, AFAIK, there have been six relating to open source, with open source involved somehow on the defense:
Now authors of open source software have sued for infringement and won, and many other infringers have settled. Plus there's Red Hat suing SCO for its wholly unsupported statements about Linux.
They bet the farm on ISDN, which never got widely deployed in the US. They went banktrupt, got bought out and chopped up a couple of times, and were eventually dissolved.
And they both use not only GPL utilities, but GNU utilities (Stallman/FSF-owned). Actually, so does the Mac, which has as its primary compiler Stallman's gcc.
OK, it looks like I may be able to do a full update from the ISO image...
I noticed it's a 60-day eval. Does the eval work the same way as it does with OpenSuse? (extremely limited tech support; not officially supported free from the vendor after a set period of time)
If that's the case, then I'll start d/l the ISO in the morning...
I'd never heard that from any Appple owners I knew at the time, but that's been 25 years ago, now. I'll concede the detail, but maintain teh broader point that we prefer to have things we can tweak, boost, soup up and personalize. From our homes to our cars to our wardrobes, we want our stuff tailored to our preferences. Most are content to do that on a cosmetic level, hence all of the GUI settings in XP. Some like to go way beyond that. For them, LINUX is a wide-open playground.
I would prefer to have Windows running native on the host and OSX/BSD running in a VM.
Install XP Pro using Bootcamp, then set it up as a dual-boot system capable of booting to OSX off of an extrnal USB drive.
ITll be right after SUN / SCO / IBM stop using GPL Software..
BSD's use very little Stallmanware, and most would like to use zero. I'm sure you know this, but your defense of him is endless.
You can verify the Apple schematic history below. As I said BSD is fully open and from the US, no need for Linux if that's your supposed requirement.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22apple+ii%22+schematic&fr=FP-tab-web-t389&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8
Dual booting isn't the same as running a VM, you can't simultaneously access both operating systems, nor can you keep your web contact isolated to a sandbox so to speak.
FreeBSD ships with Gnome, Emacs, gcc, and a bunch of other GPL stuff. Go look at the images yourself.
After reading that post, it seems that GE thinks there's a chinaman behind every telephone post waiting to get him.
What does Rush call that? "the black helicopter crowd" LOL
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