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Ammunition Question .22 Cal
12/10/06 | Bear_Slayer

Posted on 12/10/2006 10:43:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer

I've recently begun purchasing bulk .22 ammo and thought that Freeper input would once again be helpful in getting the most bang for my buck.

What do you recommend for .22 caliber ammunition?

What various grain do they come in? What brand of .22 is the most deadly?


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To: Gideon Reader
...How he got into my pajamas I'll never know."

"So we tried to remove his tusks but they wouldn't budge.
We had to take him to Alabama...where the Tuscaloosa."

41 posted on 12/10/2006 11:25:06 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

It is often said that .22's have killed more people than any other caliber. They may not stop a person determined to do you harm, but they may eventually kill them. Israeli execution teams used .22's after Munich.

How deadly depends on what you are hoping to kill. The smaller the varmint, the lighter the bullet. Hollowpoints are deadly but they make a mess of the meat. For larger varmints the Aguila Sniper Subsonic, which I have used, does nicely IF you are a darn good shot (head or other vital organ). The heavier bullet penetrates better -- but only if shot from a rifle (a revolver does not due justice to any .22 LR).

If you are set on .22LR, then the above suffices. If you want a .22 rimfire (especially if your local, state or other government has rules or regulations against centerfire), then the .22 magnum (WMR) is the best way to go. There have been lots of poachers of deer which have used .22 magnums because they are quiet. But they're not as quiet as .22 Sniper Subsonics. Close stalking and acccurate shot placement are crucial. If you're good at those skills then maybe archery would be the way to go (but you can't stuff a bow in a holster under a jacket).


42 posted on 12/10/2006 11:29:18 AM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: cripplecreek

.... quite.


43 posted on 12/10/2006 11:30:18 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Solitar
Thanks I appreciate the info on the 60 grain sub sonic

That looks to be where I will concentrate my purchases.

44 posted on 12/10/2006 11:31:20 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; All

I dont think I want to be a member of any club that would have me for a member. :~)

Their like we will never see again.


45 posted on 12/10/2006 11:32:34 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Kenya AA today.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
I mostly use Federal ammo 22LR buy it by the (brick 550 rds)
I remember when I was a kid we used to get it by the (sleve 700rds per box)
any way I love going out side in my back yard either with my rifle or pistol, with my kids and just shoot. We set up targets and have a day.

WHen I was a kid I remember going to my aunts farm in upstate NY and shoot woodchucks with 22's. Really never used it for much more than that. just a lot of (CHEAP) fun.

When I was about 18 or so myself and some friends wanted to go bear hunting in Montanna so I bought a Marlin 45/70 lever action. I just didn't think the 22 would do.

46 posted on 12/10/2006 11:33:02 AM PST by Gone_Postal (There's plenty of room for all God's creatures..right next to the mashed potatoes)
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To: Bear_Slayer
NO. They make the 60 grain sub-sonic but they also make a 30 grain hp that is the fastest 22 LR made.
47 posted on 12/10/2006 11:39:06 AM PST by Beagle8U
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To: Bear_Slayer
I vaguely recall an expert big game hunter that hunted with .22 LR only. I can't remember the details of it, but he hunted elephant with it.

The smallest caliber I know of that was used by a professional elephant hunter was the 7 mm mauser, or the 7X57, used by "karamojo" Bell, and only when stalking in close and taking head shots with solids. Even he abandoned that one after several near deaths on his part and moved up to larger calibers.

48 posted on 12/10/2006 12:11:33 PM PST by calex59
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To: Bear_Slayer
I vaguely recall an expert big game hunter that hunted with .22 LR only. I can't remember the details of it, but he hunted elephant with it.

I vaguely remember that too, but it was one of the CF .22s; .22 Savage Hi-power, maybe? It must be forty years since I read it.

49 posted on 12/10/2006 12:15:22 PM PST by Grut
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To: Mr. Mojo

Another vote for CCI Stingers and they are accurate.


50 posted on 12/10/2006 12:16:14 PM PST by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
I looked at the Aguila chart and the 30 grain is nearly twice as fast as the 60 grain and the FPE ( foot pounds energy) is higher at the muzzle and at 100 yds.

I think that it would have to be the most powerful 22 LR rimfire made if you can find the plated solid points for the extra penetration.

I buy them from Cabelas and all they list is the plain lead HP.
51 posted on 12/10/2006 12:36:08 PM PST by Beagle8U
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To: Bear_Slayer

"...in a shtf scenario, traded 1 at a time or by handful to the hungry soul."

Bingo to the many who are taking a dump on the mighty .22;
Didn't your scoutmasters ever give you the 'it's the most dangerous cartridge' lecture?

My prefered SHTF rifle is a .30/06. But I'd bet my a$$ on my 10/22 loaded with CCI stingers close in if that was all I could grab. And it would put meat on my table from rabbit to venison to birds of any feather.

If there is one old gun in the closet, it probably eats that. In time of trouble, .22 ammo is a great (and almost universal) barter item. Like plastic ziploc bags, utility knife blades, ziptie's, etc. We take them for granted but they are all-but impossible to make yourself or improvise.
And very cheap to stockpile now.

Whatever you stockpile, I'd buy name brand and buy a variety: .22 doesn't ALWAYS age very well. Buying one kind is too risky down the road. I like CCI, but Winchester is still good. Current (since the 1980's) Remington .22 ammo is not good from what I've seen.
Their older match-grade 42 gr stuff was very good.
(This I don't get as their center fire is very good).


52 posted on 12/10/2006 12:44:44 PM PST by Neo-Luddite ("Don't believe your own bulls*hit, that's the first sign you're in trouble".)
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To: Bear_Slayer
No. The spelling police.

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Please excuse my earlier sarcasm. As for .22...if the intention is personal defense then a low power, fragmenting LR is the way to go but, as with any small caliber, the target is the pelvic bone to the rib cage (the soft tissue protected organs) or else your target may make you eat your gun. In the seventies I knew a street guy in Harlem who took seven hits from a .22 and didn't go down. His street name was Champ.

53 posted on 12/10/2006 12:49:11 PM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Bear_Slayer

.22 LR is more likely to encourage stamping ruin, than to kill an elephant.


54 posted on 12/10/2006 12:56:51 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: Solitar

.22 Magnum is an oxymoron.


55 posted on 12/10/2006 12:58:30 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: calex59

Good to use calibers that start, in inches, with "4". In Africa, strongly consider calibers that start with "5", "6", or "7".

For example, 12 gauge is .729 inches.


56 posted on 12/10/2006 1:01:02 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: Neo-Luddite
My prefered SHTF rifle is a .30/06.

870 with a sidearm, but a home armory should not be limited to these alone and should, among others, include at least one 22. A solid .22 and plenty of ammo will be invaluable in certain situations.

If there is one old gun in the closet, it probably eats that. In time of trouble, .22 ammo is a great (and almost universal) barter item . . . And very cheap to stockpile now.

Agreed. It amazes me the number of guys that turn up their noses at the .22 for other than their kids plinking.

Whatever you stockpile, I'd buy name brand and buy a variety: .22 doesn't ALWAYS age very well. Buying one kind is too risky down the road.

Sound advice. I shall heed it.

57 posted on 12/10/2006 3:04:17 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: patton
Elephant? I don't think a .22LR will penetrate an elephant's skin, for crying out loud.

I think he's referring to legendary Great White Hunter Caramojo Bell who hunted african elephant in the early 1900's with a .243... approx a 6mm. He was a renowned shot and never fired unless he was certain of a shot thru the beast's EYE. One shot....one kill.

58 posted on 12/10/2006 3:32:00 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: donmeaker
Good to use calibers that start, in inches, with "4". In Africa, strongly consider calibers that start with "5", "6", or "7". For example, 12 gauge is .729 inches.

.600 nitro express comes to mind. However, on a more modern plane the .458 and the .460 are probably better. 12 gauge with slugs is always a great stopper at close range!

59 posted on 12/10/2006 3:35:25 PM PST by calex59
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To: ExSoldier

I think Karamojo used a .257, but the extra .014 wouldn't have helped us mere mortals. He was using solids though, so given his extreme accuracy and shot placement they would reach the brain.

He also used up a case of questionable .375 ammo wing shooting cormorants.

Quite a guy.


60 posted on 12/10/2006 3:35:59 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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