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Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html ^ | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 04/19/2007 5:44:41 PM PDT by ventanax5

America’s first confrontation with the Islamic world helped forge a new nation’s character.

When I first began to plan my short biography of Thomas Jefferson, I found it difficult to research the chapter concerning the so-called Barbary Wars: an event or series of events that had seemingly receded over the lost horizon of American history. Henry Adams, in his discussion of our third president, had some boyhood reminiscences of the widespread hero-worship of naval officer Stephen Decatur, and other fragments and shards showed up in other quarries, but a sound general history of the subject was hard to come by. When I asked a professional military historian—a man with direct access to Defense Department archives—if there was any book that he could recommend, he came back with a slight shrug.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; appeasement; barbarypirates; dhimmitude; islam; jefferson; muhammadsminions; muslim; muslimpirates; pirates; treatyoftripoli

1 posted on 04/19/2007 5:44:43 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

A while back the history channel ran a show about some American sailors captued after a shipwreck off the west coast of north africa. They were captured by muslims and forced to walk across the sahara and back. They eventually found an american in Morocco who “bought” at least a couple of them.

I’m pretty sure that one of them wrote a book about the ordeal but I can’t recall his name right now. I’ll do some digging.


2 posted on 04/19/2007 5:50:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

“The Barbary Wars were primarily about trade, not theology,” he writes. “Rather than being holy wars, they were an extension of America’s War of Independence.”

This guy is wrong—it has always been the same thing - a Dhimmitude Tax on Non-Muslims; that is what paying tribute is about. Western Society has changed and doesn’t understand Allahists—it has always been the same and always will be the same—’.’Submit or Die


3 posted on 04/19/2007 6:01:54 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: ventanax5

James Riley is the name I was looking for. Captured in 1815 and held for 18 months.

http://famousamericans.net/jamesriley/


4 posted on 04/19/2007 6:02:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

It sounds interesting,I love history. Please let me know any info you find.


5 posted on 04/19/2007 6:03:28 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: richardtavor; All

And the Treaty of Tripoli was an appeasement treaty. BTW, for anyone who’s interested, PBS is running a show on Islam right now.


6 posted on 04/19/2007 6:09:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1; All
Here's a great book I just read on subject:

The Pirate Coast: Thomas Jefferson, The First Marines, and the Secret Mission of 1805 (Hardcover) by Richard Zacks (Author)

Eaton, a great patriot & hand picked leader of the first covert mission of our country was sold out by the State Department in that Treaty of Tripoli.

Jefferson also sold out Eaton when he finally returned home after his efforts against the Tripoli pirates.

7 posted on 04/19/2007 6:16:37 PM PDT by Seeking the truth (Freep Gear & Pajama Patrol Badges @ www.0cents.com)
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To: ventanax5

Jefferson did not have to deal with the MSM.


8 posted on 04/19/2007 6:50:26 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: Seeking the truth

Thank you very much for the recommendation. I’ll check it out.


9 posted on 04/19/2007 6:51:35 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: ventanax5

americans had balls then.

not today with rosie and oprah running tv viewers’ brains.

or lack of brains.


10 posted on 04/19/2007 6:54:08 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: hadaclueonce
"I deplore... the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them... These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our funtionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief... This has, in a great degree, been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit."
--Thomas Jefferson to Walter Jones, 1814. ME 14:46
11 posted on 04/19/2007 6:57:12 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: ventanax5

Who were the first to attack us as a soverign nation? Yep the Muslims.


12 posted on 04/19/2007 7:03:29 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

GREAT POST, AMEN BROTHER


13 posted on 04/19/2007 7:04:53 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: Seeking the truth

Thanks for the book recommendation!


14 posted on 04/19/2007 8:26:32 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Compromise with Islam means you will submit to them killing you!)
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To: sageb1

Yep, I agree. We’re headed that way again aren’t we? Thank you democrats—please just go ahead and put your burqas on, especially you Reed...


15 posted on 04/19/2007 8:28:01 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: ventanax5

BUMP


16 posted on 04/20/2007 6:02:02 AM PDT by Freeper (I was culture in the 60's and now with Clinton "running things" I am suddenly Counter-Culture.)
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To: ventanax5

Ping for later reading.


17 posted on 04/20/2007 6:08:58 AM PDT by stayathomemom
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To: richardtavor
This guy is wrong—it has always been the same thing - a Dhimmitude Tax on Non-Muslims

I think Hitchens means that for Americans it was a trade war rather than a religious war. Of course it was a religious war, a holy rip-off war, for the Moo's.

This is a great article -- Hitchens deserves wide recognition for this one. He's a card-carrying liberal. If he can get it right, then the Pelosis and Reids and Xlintonx and Cindy Sheehan have no excuses left.

Other than that Sheehan is probably half-nuts.

18 posted on 04/20/2007 7:20:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: SunkenCiv

At one point, Jefferson hoped that John Paul Jones, naval hero of the Revolution, might assume command of a squadron that would strike fear into the Barbary pirates. While ambassador in Paris, Jefferson had secured Jones a commission with Empress Catherine of Russia, who used him in the Black Sea to harry the Ottomans, the ultimate authority over Barbary.

But Jones died before realizing his dream of going to the source and attacking Constantinople. The task of ordering war fell to Jefferson.


19 posted on 04/22/2007 7:55:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ventanax5; SandRat; SJackson; river rat; ExTexasRedhead; Salem; wagglebee

I NEED FREEPERS’ HELP HERE!!!!

There is this book called “A History of Islam In America,” and there is some online Christian bookstore which is selling it. I saw it in another thread in Free Republic a few months ago. But I have been unable to find the bookstore or the book itself.

Do any Freepers know where I can find this book?


20 posted on 04/22/2007 8:54:08 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Try contacting anyone like www.jihadwatch.org? They have staff that are light years ahead of most, in what you might be looking for.


21 posted on 04/22/2007 9:09:27 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Duncan Hunter for president!)
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To: ventanax5; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...
Barbary Pirates
22 posted on 04/22/2007 12:37:35 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: ventanax5

Excellent post. Thanks.


23 posted on 04/22/2007 2:53:10 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: cripplecreek; red irish
The book is Riley's Narrative, an authentic narrative of the loss of the American brig Commerce wrecked on the western coast of Africa in 1815. Reprinted by Sycamore Press.

As a sidebar this book shows that Islam has not changed these past 200 years.

24 posted on 04/22/2007 2:59:10 PM PDT by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: freema

Interesting collection. Thanks. I will bookmark it under my Islam folder for later investigation.


25 posted on 04/22/2007 3:05:38 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Seeking the truth

I read the same book by Zacks and it is very good. The new government of the U.S. tried to bribe the Muslim pirates (terrorists) but they just kept demanding more money and goods. It wasn’t until the U.S. built a Navy and attacked the terrorist pirates where they lived, that they stopped attacking American merchant ships and enslaving our men.

Another good book to read is “Power, Faith, and Fantasy - America in the Middle East 1776 to the Present”, by Michael B. Oren. This can be purchased at amazon.com. The local library had a long waiting list to check it out.


26 posted on 04/22/2007 3:15:22 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: ventanax5; SandRat; freema

And 230 years later, the United States Marines are still kicking the Shiite out of Muslims.


27 posted on 04/23/2007 6:30:12 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

OOOOOOOOOHRAH, baby!


28 posted on 04/23/2007 3:41:09 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: george76; Pharmboy; indcons

Thanks george76 for the ping.


29 posted on 04/23/2007 8:47:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Jefferson’s finest hour.


30 posted on 04/23/2007 9:05:05 PM PDT by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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the full story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1822438/posts


31 posted on 04/23/2007 10:11:55 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Egypt was once 95% Copt (Christian) and 5% Jewish. After 1400 years of torture, mass murder and forced conversion it is amazing that 10% of the population remains Copts, albeit massively persecuted.

http://www.coptic.net/EncyclopediaCoptica/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1832466/posts


32 posted on 05/12/2007 8:42:49 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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