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Came here for some help about the OK City bombing
Always have wondered

Posted on 07/01/2007 10:08:59 AM PDT by cubswinby100

I always wondered if Timothy McVaigh really was the one who did the whole thing.

While talking to some friends about this one mentioned there has been some work done here and some published articles about a possible Muslim connection.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: johndoe2; josepadilla; mcveigh; okc; okcbombing; oklahomacity; saddam; timmcvaigh
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I searched and couldn't find the articles. Can someone help me with this.

I know this is vanity but I want to hear more about this and back up what I say when I talk to others.

And this site is wonderful. I expect I'll set down and stay awhile.

1 posted on 07/01/2007 10:09:00 AM PDT by cubswinby100
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To: cubswinby100

TH THIRD TERRORIST by Jayna Davis


2 posted on 07/01/2007 10:11:04 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Partisan - a guy who fell in love in a whorehouse)
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To: cubswinby100

Too bad you wasn’t here back in the days of submariner and others. The photo’s don’t exist on the web anymore like they did back then.


3 posted on 07/01/2007 10:13:24 AM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: Lexington Green
The Third Terrorist
4 posted on 07/01/2007 10:13:48 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Lexington Green; cubswinby100

Second the recommendation on that book, The Third Terrorist.

It will knock your socks off.

Or do a match all words on Jayna Davis here.

Click —> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=Jayna%20Davis


5 posted on 07/01/2007 10:14:42 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: cubswinby100

ib4Z just in case.


6 posted on 07/01/2007 10:15:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Life is an episode of Green Acres. THEN you die.)
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To: eastforker

I thought once it was on the web it impossible to reverse.


7 posted on 07/01/2007 10:15:14 AM PDT by Orange1998 (4 Real)
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To: cubswinby100

Try googling Abu Sayyef, Nichols phillipines cebu city here is a link to get you started:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/217479.htm

BTW Saddam may have funded WTC I if one cares to look into that as well...


8 posted on 07/01/2007 10:15:46 AM PDT by padre35 (Quod autem isti dicunt non interponendi vos bello)
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To: cubswinby100

Well, welcome to Free Republic :)

As for your question, I don’t have an answer. My gut tells me that Tim McVeigh did have some “outside help”. For instance, there is that one guy that just disappeared into the mist. Hispanic looking...


9 posted on 07/01/2007 10:17:32 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: cubswinby100

And this site is wonderful. I expect I’ll set down and stay awhile.


Well ‘set’ yourself down and do some reading. The following may help.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=mcveigh

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=mcveigh


10 posted on 07/01/2007 10:19:10 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: Orange1998

Not if no one host it or unless you saved it on your hard drive and hosted it yourself.


11 posted on 07/01/2007 10:19:18 AM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: cubswinby100

http://www.jaynadavis.com

...all you need to know.


12 posted on 07/01/2007 10:20:15 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...

Ping to the OKC/911 ping list- a new Freeper has asked for info- I say flood him with it.

In my opinion, this is what FR does best.


13 posted on 07/01/2007 10:22:27 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: cubswinby100
I want to hear more about this and back up what I say when I talk to others

What do you say now without backup?

14 posted on 07/01/2007 10:22:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: cubswinby100
John Doe # 2 AKA Jose Padilla (Sr. Dirty Bomb)


15 posted on 07/01/2007 10:30:55 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: devolve; ovrtaxt; cubswinby100; PhilDragoo; ntnychik

Here are three threads found under ‘keyword search’;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=oklahomacitybombing

Thanks for the ping ovrtaxt


16 posted on 07/01/2007 10:32:48 AM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: cubswinby100
Here's Jose Padilla and John Doe #3 (from the OK city bombing witnesses)


17 posted on 07/01/2007 10:35:22 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: cubswinby100

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=okcbombing


18 posted on 07/01/2007 10:41:43 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: cubswinby100

Muslim connection:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674439/posts
3 Abu members linked to Korean kidnapping captured

From this link:

>>>>The Abu Sofia is allied with the terrorist Abu Sayyaf group.<<<

My NOTE:
Abu Sayyaf coordinated meetings with Nichols and McVeigh.

Source showing Timothy McVeigh with Abu Sayyaf

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310C.html

Excerpt:

Returning to the matter of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed’s new public role as 9/11 mastermind, his connection with Ramzi Yousef would also serve another purpose - linking Iraq to al-Qaida by way of Timothy McVeigh and the 1995 bombing of the FBI building in Oklahoma. The McVeigh-Iraqi thread, in fact, pre-dates the events of September 11 by a few years. In 1998, Timothy McVeigh’s lawyer, Stephen Jones, had broached the existence of a videotaped interview with the co-founder of the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group, a purported al-Qaida front based out of the Philippines. The Abu Sayyaf leader, Edwin Angeles, had turned police informant in February 1995 (a couple months before the Oklahoma bombing), becoming, in the words of Richard Parry of The Independent, “a deep penetration agent of the Marines and the Philippine National Police.”

More at link

Abu Sayyaf was involved in planning Oplan Bojinka

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1521072/posts?page=77#77

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1521072/posts?page=78#78

Terrorism in the Middle East

Law Enforcement Sensitive

New Trends in Financing (continued)

* Human trafficking
o Middle East (Afghanistan and Central Asian Republics)
+ Linked with organized crime—Russian Vory
o Cambodia, and Philippines
+ Linked with madrasas in Southeast Asia (children)
+ Linked with organized crime—Yakuza
+ A word about Abu Sayyaf
* Kidnapping and extortion
o Links to Hezb’Allah
o Links to FARC and ELN

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1608606/posts
Ramzi Yousef, Oklahoma City, and Al Qaeda: Linked in Documents?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1759046/posts
Remains of terror group chief found in Philippines [Abu Sayyaf leader Khaddafy Janjalani]

>>>>al Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group<<<<


19 posted on 07/01/2007 10:45:27 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ovrtaxt

bump


20 posted on 07/01/2007 10:46:01 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cubswinby100
Wouldn’t it be nice if Freepers and the rest of the US citizens got one scintilla as concerned about this as the BORDER!

It goes far deeper than just the OK bombing - if we demanded to get to the bottom of this - is could uncover the corruption/traitorous Commies in our gov’t = and we know who the head ones are - and maybe keep them from pounding the final nail in our coffins, plunging us irrevocably into Communism.

Communisms greatest tool is use a big distraction to get the attention of everyone so het up and concentrating on it that we don’t look over our shoulders to see what they are doing behind our backs.

Immigration isn’t the only thing threatening our country and our very freedoms. WE need to stop being Johny-one-notes and smarten up.

We should jump on this OK bombing Now and not let it die the slow death the perps (and I am referring to the gov’t perps) are counting on. Now, while the traitorous libRats are trying to fry Bush/Chaney with unconstitutional subpoenas, is a godo time to make a big ruckus, make demands, demonstrate with signs - the media loves that - and let the sheeple know what the evidence is. If if shows that the cover-up goes all to the way to the top of the chain - with members of both party members involved, so be it.
I isn’t just a matter of finally getting the truth out - it’s a matter of blocking these same traitors from being in the highest of positions again - for if they make it again, we are done for as a free people.

21 posted on 07/01/2007 10:48:36 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: eyespysomething

I still say Jose Padilla looks like John Doe #3, but Jayna Davis says it is another guy who is John Doe #3. Can’t think of his name.


22 posted on 07/01/2007 10:48:56 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: maine-iac7

Include me in- for what it’s worth.


23 posted on 07/01/2007 10:50:15 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: eyespysomething
I’m a portrait artist - and I would say that if the artist had been sitting in front of Padilla to do the drawing, it would look the same -

This photo and the sketch should be plastered everywhere - It will get more peoples attention than thousands of words - it would be a knock on the head, which is sometimes needed to get someones attention - and then go from there....

Can we get Rush, Hannity, et al to get this out there and beat the drums - along with a line made famous by Fred Thompson during the Nixen hearings; the one about who knew and when did they know it.

Get this photo/sketch out there and mention it was during Clintooons watch (you’d be surprised how many today don’t realize that) and ask the question. This simple approach could be the wedge that pries open this can of worms

24 posted on 07/01/2007 10:58:00 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: RightWhale

I’ve just said I wondered if it was the whole story and I always have. Something always seemed fishy to me.

Now I will spend time researching more.


25 posted on 07/01/2007 11:02:25 AM PDT by cubswinby100
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To: All

Thank you everyone. I have some net sploring to do!

And I love this site. I had heard about it in the past but got tied up as a monitor/director of 2 Cub fans and 1 Bears fan site that keep me hopping like Sammy Sosa after hitting a homerun.


26 posted on 07/01/2007 11:02:25 AM PDT by cubswinby100
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To: cubswinby100
Welcome to FR. Click on the keywords just below your post to see other related FR posts.

Try Googling up {spelling?}:

- Carol Howe
- Elohim City
- Andreas Strassmeier
- JD Cash
- Jayna Davis

Don't let anyone do your reasoning for you. That's your job.

27 posted on 07/01/2007 11:05:04 AM PDT by labette
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To: cubswinby100
that keep me hopping like Sammy Sosa after hitting a homerun.

That's cork that keeps Sammy bouncing...

28 posted on 07/01/2007 11:06:31 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: cubswinby100

Everything is fishy. Why the focus on OKC? It was not an isolated incident.


29 posted on 07/01/2007 11:07:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: cubswinby100

Andreas Strassmeir

Roger Moore

Geary Lake

Elohim City

are all interesting search terms when linked to McVeigh and OKC.

Also, look for the trial transcripts, Nichol’s is still online but I think McVeigh’s were taken down (I can’t find them anymore).


30 posted on 07/01/2007 11:17:41 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: cubswinby100

I believe both Peter Lance and Laurie Mylroie have covered this angle.


31 posted on 07/01/2007 11:42:29 AM PDT by Perdogg (congratulations - you have just won an ipod nano)
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To: the invisib1e hand
ib4Z just in case.

I like your thinking.

I laid down a precautionary ibtz a few days ago and even pinged a mod. Got flamed heavily by some others on the thread but the newbie troll poster was exposed and banned within 30 minutes.

I'm always leery of newbies who jump in with such obvious topics. Like they are building cred on the forum.

Anyway, you can always apologize later.

32 posted on 07/01/2007 11:56:26 AM PDT by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: cubswinby100
Scroll down to the bottom-right of the website linked below. Lots of interesting OKCity bombing information.

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/

33 posted on 07/01/2007 11:56:46 AM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: cubswinby100

Was Tim McVeigh
an agent of Iraq?
Top Defense officials think so, reports U.S. News


Posted: October 24, 2001
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

A few top Defense officials believe Timothy McVeigh, executed for his role in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, was an Iraqi agent, reports U.S. News in the Oct. 29 issue.

The stunning news item is buried in the “Washington Whispers” column of the magazine under the byline of Paul Bedard.

“Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent,” Bedard writes. “The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven’t we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it’s part of a cover-up.”

Those unnamed Defense Department officials are not alone.

Last week, House impeachment counsel David Schippers told WorldNetDaily Radio host Geoff Metcalf’s audience that he is convinced of a Mideast connection in the bombing. Schippers represents Jayna Davis, the former Oklahoma City television reporter who attempted to follow up the Mideast connection story until her bosses told her to let it go.

“I am thoroughly convinced that there was a dead-bang Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing,” said Schippers. “I think bin Laden was behind it. I think that there were Middle Eastern people on the scene running away.”

There would not necessarily be a contradiction between an Iraqi connection and a bin Laden connection. According to terror expert Yossef Bodansky, author of “Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America,” bin Laden worked closely with Iraq for years.


34 posted on 07/01/2007 11:58:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: maine-iac7; cubswinby100

“Officials said Al Muhajir was born in New York on October 18, 1970, and moved to Chicago when he was 5 years old.

“Sources said he served three years in a juvenile detention center in suburban Chicago for aggravated battery, armed robbery and attempted armed robbery. He was released in May 1988, shortly before his 18th birthday, and put on parole until he turned 21.

“He was arrested in 1991 on a gun and assault charges stemming from a road rage incident in Sunrise, Florida.

“The officers who made the arrest on October 8, 1991 — Lt. Charles Vitale and Detective Neil Lawrence — told CNN that Al Muhajir fired a .38-caliber handgun after getting into an argument with two men in another car at a gas station. No one was injured.

“He was charged with two counts of aggravated assault, one count of using a firearm in the commission of a felony and one count of carrying a concealed firearm.

“While Al Muhajir was in jail, he physically attacked a deputy, resulting in additional charges.

“Al Muhajir spent 303 days in the county jail and was sentenced to a year’s probation.

“After his release in 1992, Al Muhajir was cited for several traffic violations in south Florida, Broward County officials said. His most recent violation was in November 1997.

From: “U.S. authorities capture ‘dirty bomb’ suspect
His associate captured in Pakistan, U.S. officials say”
June 10, 2002 Posted: 11:47 PM EDT (0347 GMT)

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/10/dirty.bomb.suspect/index.html


35 posted on 07/01/2007 12:02:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: cubswinby100
Glen Beck

This might help.

36 posted on 07/01/2007 12:07:02 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: cubswinby100
As to why McVeigh would join the enemy in doing such as evil act:

THE COURT: Would you please come to the lectern to make that statement.You may speak, Mr. McVeigh.

THE DEFENDANT: If the Court please, I wish to use the words of Justice Brandeis dissenting in Olmstead to speak for me. He wrote, "Our Government is the potent,the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

37 posted on 07/01/2007 12:10:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: cubswinby100
Another angle you might want to look at while going down this road is that the first responding firefighters and EMS personnel stated that when part of the basement was exposed by the blast they saw large amounts of weapons and military equipment. It was even included in early TV reports but was them completely ignored.

I only read a small excerpt about it and never got around to doing and due diligence.

FWIW.

38 posted on 07/01/2007 12:11:43 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: cubswinby100
TV Report about multiple bombs
39 posted on 07/01/2007 12:13:37 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

does anyone else remember the report of a leg in camo clothing that they found that was never matched to any of the victims? I always kind of thought that might be a clue.


40 posted on 07/01/2007 12:14:38 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: cubswinby100
I always wondered if Timothy McVaigh really was the one who did the whole thing.

I believe it was the beginning of the steep phase of American decline when the idea took hold that "the only stupid question is the one that is not asked."

It really is no joke that the country is now full of morons ("truthers") asking so many absurd and subversive questions that we have a generation growing up and taking seriously Michael Moore, Oliver Stone, Rosie O'Donnell. And can you believe...these people are allowed to vote when they grow up???

41 posted on 07/01/2007 12:24:18 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: cubswinby100

Check everything by Jayna Davis and i’ll go gather some of the old stuff up for you. I’ll see if I can find KFI/John and Ken on it as well.


42 posted on 07/01/2007 1:05:53 PM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: All

Thank you everyone!

The timing of all these links is perfect because I’m having some surgery tomorrow and hubby is setting up a table by my bed for internet access so I will have a lot of time to go through all this.

(Minor knee surgery but lays me up for a few days)


43 posted on 07/01/2007 1:20:03 PM PDT by cubswinby100
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Hussain Al-Hussaini, (ala Iraq/Saddam), who also ended up working at Logan Airport in Boston.


44 posted on 07/01/2007 1:35:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thank you for the ping.


45 posted on 07/01/2007 2:13:56 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: maine-iac7
...if we demanded to get to the bottom of this - is could uncover the corruption/traitorous Commies in our gov’t = and we know who the head ones are - and maybe keep them from pounding the final nail in our coffins, plunging us irrevocably into Communism.

Go for the short list. The ones who are not either card-carrying members or tools/fools.

It'd probably take a lot less bandwidth to list them.

46 posted on 07/01/2007 2:19:31 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Calpernia; All

Thank you for the links.


47 posted on 07/01/2007 2:24:09 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: cubswinby100

ibtz


48 posted on 07/01/2007 3:24:48 PM PDT by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: keat; the invisib1e hand

I’m curious. Since there is no iron-clad rule about when a new member of this forum is allowed to post, why are new posters automatically accused of being trolls? Maybe folks sign up specifically to ask a question. Shocking!!!

If someone does turn out to be a disruptor, what exactly is the big deal? I just get a little tired of the IBTZ. However, I love Viking kitties ;)


49 posted on 07/01/2007 3:54:29 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: Armedanddangerous
does anyone else remember the report of a leg in camo clothing that they found that was never matched to any of the victims? I always kind of thought that might be a clue.

Unfortunately, a lot of things don't add up. I don't recall that particular piece of information, but I do remember a general(?) showing how it would be darn near impossible to blow up the building using a Ryder truck and cow poop. Had charts and everything. Apparently, he fell off the end of the earth for that act of impertinence. Clinton era, ya know...

50 posted on 07/01/2007 4:05:13 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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