Skip to comments.Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4
Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima
Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4
New Thread is up.
Thank you...Have to do some work. I’ll stop back before I call it a night.
Reporting in! :)
:)Hi Freedom Dignity n Honor.
Thanks to you, and Sac and Sod and Rte and Liz and all others who have kept this thread informative and alive.
Most of all, thanks to the owners of FR who let us keep sleuthing on this site. Donation forthcoming.
Truth is beauty. Beauty is truth. No matter in what forum or arena of life. We’ll get at the truth, not for only for Anna’s sake,(she brought this upon herself) but also for the two innocent children she brought into the world.
And if this saga continues through the election year, it will rescue us from a fate worse than death—having to listen to Hillary Clinton and friends, ad nauseum.
:)Thanks for the donation to Free Republic SundayGardener(((Hugs)))
Amen - thanks to all the wonderful FReepers who understand the importance of a clean, ethical Justice system with judges, courts and attorneys who uphold our Constitution of Laws that protect us and punish those who would do harm.
From the beginning of this saga, we fANNAtic FReepers have not been so much interested in the tabloid Anna Nicole Smith. We had questions surrounding the deaths of two U.S. Citizens that deserved answers.
These were our questions:
The death of a son - about to reach his majority (age 21)of undetermined manner and cause. Could be homicide.
The birth of a daughter - whose paternity was and whose welfare is questionable - who may also have been born addicted to illegally obtained prescription drugs.
The premature, undetermined death of the infant’s mother -could be homicide, suicide or misadventure.
Conspiracy by outliers to access a $1.6billion estate and eliminate per stirpes heirs.
Conspiracy by lawyers and foreign government officials to circumvent immigration laws for fraudulent purposes.
Intent to defraud owners of real property and real estate.
Illegal transportation of prescription drugs, by interstate and international waters.
Potential kidnapping , drugging , isolation and involuntary restraint of an impaired US citizen.
Chronic medical malpractice and felony negligence.
Illegal disposition/seizure, by an officer of the court, of the remains of a US citizen in contravention of State Law (Florida)
Blackmail, bribery and extortion.
Creation and presentation of fraudulent documents to avoid parental and custodial rights.
Causing pain and suffering to the biological mother /grandmother of the decedents, for gain and profit.
Failure to allow visitation opportunities to the biological maternal grandmother .
The deaths of two US citizens in jurisdictions outside the reach of US law enforcement is troubling.
It now appears that our concerns have been addressed by the actions by Californias AG Jerry Brown.
We are confident that those persons who caused the deaths of Daniel Smith and Anna Nicole Smith, indirectly or intentionally will be brought to justice.
Thanks sodpoodle,Anyone who wishes to be added to our ping list let me know.
Kimberly Guilfoyle is one of my favorites, but tonight she has a bunch of guest who don’t have a clue. She is re-hashing *nannie-gate* Duh. Asking if anyone has heard about the sex tape. Did she not watch or has not heard of Geraldo’s interview with Don Clark - has she not heard of Jackie Hatten? Did she not listen to Bain’s taped responses? Has she read the book?
Hi there. Saw your message about this thread. I was going to ask you how to go about getting pinged, but the other thread was already locked. I’ve never been pinged before. At least I don’t think I have. lol Thanks for the invitation to come over here.
Kimberly G. is having more about Anna Nicole right now on Fox.
Ok. Will you add me to the ping list? Thank you.
I will DorisCCC(((Hugs)))
Wonder what'll happen next week? hehehe
I think it was either the police or it was a lie so that he could stay behind and clean up the room and call ET. IMO.
Before her program began tonight, Kimberly said she had talked with Rita today and they had emailed each other, and I was expecting some news. Unless she introduces something before the program’s over, it’s been a big bust for me.
Welcome, Doris, I thought you were already on the list!
Sorry,I sent your message to fatima! I must be more tired than I realized! Anyway...WELCOME AGAIN!
thanks for the ping and for the new thread.
I missed Geraldo :(
Here’s what he said about it the other night on LKL:
” ... And when I got to the hotel room, there were emergency medical people there, and they wouldn’t let me go in. And they wouldn’t let me go to the hospital with Anna. ...”
I remember asking out loud here who “they” were, so I guess I missed that he had said “emergency medical people.”
We know he stayed behind and talked to the detectives from the Seminole PD (altho we heard he was inconsolable and lying on the floor in a fetal position, too - so take your pick). I imagine getting “the story” told to cops was first priority.
I just looked thru my notes because I thought I had just “heard” recently that he didn’t go because he was afraid he’d commit suicide if she died.
Found it - it’s a statement he made “to a close friend” and is quoted in Rita’s book - but I found it in Leroy’s lawsuit filing about the book.
He said (paraphrasing) that after seeing Daniel die, that he couldn’t bear seeing Anna dead (remember, he was still at the hotel and didn’t know for sure if she was alive or dead on the way to the hospital) or he would kill himself, too.
(Of course he made that same threat in his eulogy at her funeral, too - “as soon as his work is done” on her behalf - then he’d join her. Work=never-ending lawsuits. In other words, “never.”)
Larry Birkhead on Geraldo.
Did he just say
“since I have been with anna in 2003” ???????????
Anyone tape this show?
I don’t know.Are you on our ping list because I am trying to update it.
I have been on all the ping list before shrug.
Sorry, I am not familiar with how it all works here. I have a ping list and know I have to put that in the to and it seemed to work the couple times I did it.
nature, I’m not the one responsible for the new thread...sorry, but it’s fatima. I hope you are added to the ping list!
OK,I will check the list tom.to see if you are on the list I got.I am going to try to keep a main one we can all use.
I heard him say that too! He was saying Jackie Hadden had never seen him nor met him, and that she had not been with Anna since he had been with her since 2003. That’s what I understood him to say, and I thought he met ANS in 2004.
I am sorry, that is my fault. I posted about Geraldo to you but my mind was also thanking fatima for the new thread.
Confused you, I am sorry.
That is really really odd and telling to me.
Why after all this time of testifying and a million interviews of 2004 did he switch (or slip) 2003! He claims he wasn’t around from 2003 to 2004. WHY in the world would he talk about not seeing Jackie for that year if he wasn’t around!!!!
Oopsy, Larry made a booboo
noticed quite loudly that LB was totally silent during the show - after his first bragging that the nannies were supporting him - they never said any tape - and then......hehehe
quite a marked contrast from a few weeks ago, when he loudly claimed the nannies weren’t credible because they ‘were paid to help me in my custody’ suit.
IIRC, chief Tiger kept him there for questioning. Taz mentioned that nobody could leave, and it was several hours before even she could go...
he’s changing dates, because most of his story is as tall as Paul Bunyan - he can’t remember what he’s said and tells different versions for different times
his original version of his meeting ANS in 2003, was she was ‘cold and distant’ and not interested in him - blew him off basically - that was changed in Feb to she was ‘heavy’ (fat) and he was the one who wasn’t interested - by 2004 she had ‘slimmed down’ he says
his original version of the pregnancy was that it was unplanned, and he didnt want her pregnant until she got off the drugs - that was changed in Oct after he hired Opri to a well=planned pregnancy not once, but twice (jan 2005/jan 2006)
i could go on and on and on lolol
Sod - i read your comment end of last thread about research or comments posted here showing up on other boards and being attributed to another author; rte66 has also noticed this
I’ve noticed on this board that when a ‘comment’ is taken, the posters here, for the most part at least, are nice enough to attribute the site it came from, if not the specific poster. It’s too bad the other sites don’t do the same for us, taking into consideration that apparently some people post at more than one board anyway.
I’ve ocassionally checked out some other boards as they are mentioned here, but I only post on this one because: one) there are consistently more people who are ‘current’ on what’s going on, and less of bringing others ‘up to speed’ just to keep things going, and, two) are less strictly-legal types who want only legal arguments and no speculation at all.
I really don’t care if anything I post shows up here or elsewhere under someone elses name - (won’t be the first time I’ve seen it happen), because what I, personally want, is to get the information out the best way I can, and if someone copies it, well, at least it’s out there, you know? Sometimes I may get it wrong, but sometimes
I can see some things that aren’t noticeable at first - like the neosporin, or the particular bacteria ANS was injected with and how rare it really is, or a discrepancy between this statement and that statement, etc. Knowing that topic-specific boards ARE monitored for just such ‘wait-a-minute’ revelations, it’s simply my own way of quietly and annonymously helping without profiting in any way, so if what I post gets repeated here or elsewhere, good deal.
that said, there are others who would like to be, and should be, recognized for their research (and there’s no problem with that either) and for them, it would be nice to see other boards (or posters who go from here to posting elsewhere and back again) at least acknowledge the intelligent and extensive research others have accomplished on this FreeRepublic thread and mention it as THEIR source once in a while - it’s only polite, after all.
Well, that’s my two cents anyway :)
He has never changed the year before. That has been consistant.
Met in 2003 and nothing sparked.
Wasn’t until 2004.
Now he knows what went on in the Studio house when he ‘didn’t’ know her?????????
Looks like Just an Opinion got banned at Crime Library again.
That one steals all Rte’s work, actually anyone’s work they can get their hands on, NEVER gives credit for it, worse, takes all the credit and compliments as if it is there work and finally ..... and makes up a lot more they NEVER verify! Tons of assumptions like facts.
Some boards don’t allow you to copy other boards. Fine, but the nice decent way around it is to contact the original poster at the other board, ASK permission (most don’t mind sharing) and then post it with proper credit where you found it and that you have their permission to use it.
It is about the deceit. Taking the credit and compliments even saying thank you! It is a Howard tactic and it is low down. If someone spent hours of their time, the very least common decent people could do is credit that time. Obviously if the information is out there, they could spend their own hour after hour if they want the credit finding it. If they are going to steal and cut and paste, at the very least say I found it, it isn’t mine and don’t take sleezy credit that isn’t their’s. Howard never credits the team of attorney’s that have worked hard for years on Anna’s case either. Scum.
Calling the fees “unnecessary, unauthorized, unreasonable and excessive,” the two filed in a Broward County court to stop Miami lawyer Richard Milstein from collecting.
“It’s outrageous,” said Nancy Hass, Birkhead’s Hallandale Beach-based counsel. “I’m a guardian ad litem, too, and I always reduce my fees when I deal with children. A lot of work produced (by Milstein) was unnecessary.”
Added Stern’s attorney, PBG’s Krista Barth: “That’s $900 an hour! People believe the baby is rich. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Mr. Milstein even charged for another lawyer at his firm to go to Anna’s funeral.”
Back in February, when ANS died of an accidental legal-drug overdose at the Seminole Hard Rock, the Dannielynn Hope Irrevocable Trust was established to pay for ANS’ funeral. The rest was supposed to support the 1-year-old girl as she waits for her mom’s still-tied-up-in-court $500 million inheritance.
The trust’s sources, according to records, were media that paid for “exclusive” interviews and a seat at the funeral.
As of today, according to court papers, $200,000 is left. Milstein wants $175,000 for his guardianship work and another $22,000 for being the fund’s trustee. That role, Barth said, is a conflict of interest.
Goofy Broward Judge Larry Seidlin, who has since quit, asked Milstein to represent Dannielynn’s interests in picking a burial place for her mom. But what should have been a two-hour hearing dragged on, most of it live on national TV.
The usually talkative Milstein didn’t return calls but e-mailed: “The three weeks of work entailed the work of five people, not just myself, in order to handle the multiple details involved in handling the trial and funeral arrangements.”
to keep this carried over from the closed thread:
Oct 11th, ‘07 - Bain interview with Rita
Bain: She wanted to set up this meeting with the nannies so she could actually say and look good that she met them.
she told me to get a hotel to have the meeting and the nannies...She said she wanted to appear on my show.
I contacted the attorney, their attorney, and I told her what Rita wanted but the attorney was ‘very annoyed’ and the nannies (also)...that [Rita] would come looking for them after she was $60Million in trouble.
Bian called attorney and told her of the proposal [for $1,000 for hotel expenses, other expenses related to affidavit] and she said, no, the nannies are not interested.
But play along with her, negotiate with her to make it believable, record every conversation you have with her, and we’re going to deal with her appropriately we’re going to take it to the authorities and take it to the media and expose this nonsense..to protect the nannies...if a woman would write a whole book, best-selling book, and not check the facts, not attempt to speak to the person she’s quoting, she’s not the type of person you can trust. [Bain states the nannies’ lawyer wanted it recorded].
Bain: After she did my show on Saturday, the meeting that was supposed to be with the nannies, I said, Rita I set up the meeting, in the hotel conference room like you asked but of course, the hotel conference room there will be expenses..we have to pay for the hotel and whatever
Bain says Rita said, why should I pay for that when I came to offer them $1,000 to share so that they can come to the US to testify against HKS on her behalf so that they can give her an affidavit and a number of other things that she required of this $1,000.
[apparently this is when the grabbing of items out of Tom’s pockets happened, scuffle, altercation]
almost all of the conversations I had with her was recorded. both (video and audio)
she didn’t know until after we had an altercation and I told her I had the tapes
She was supposed to leave on Saturday [after the altercation] but she stayed and kept calling me, offering ME a $15,000 [magazine] deal [to facilitate setting up the meeting]. On Monday, we set up the ‘sting’ operation - I called the media out and she got caught ‘red-handed’
That article had one more paragraph at the bottom after totally unrelated article ..
Said Milstein’s boss, Robert Zinn, president of Akerman Senterfitt: “We believe there is no basis whatsoever for the objections to our invoices, given the complexity of the issues, the large number of interested parties and the extremely short time.”
for those who didn’t catch Geraldo’s show and cant wait for the official transcript, here’s the Bain part, as well as I could speed-type it - I’ll follow up with the Perper stuff next post:)
Bain, Clarke, Geragos, Jeanine (?), Paul Peressi, Ryan Smith, “Craig” in newsroom
Geraldo plays tape of Rita talking to Bain - [”Rita’s tape”]
Bain is heard saying “Nadine saw the tape” - “they want to talk to you” - “come down” - doesn’t want to talk on the phone
Bain retort: says that ‘Rita never checked with the nannies they never said that’’ “she calls herself an investigative journalist” and didn’t even talk to the nannies
Geraldo tells Bain not to [play games]
Don Clark speaks up and says that he, also, spoke to Nadine and Nadine also told him that the tape existed
Bain retort: says well, Rita didn’t do ‘due diligence’
Geraldo asks Clark [several times/ways], do you swear? did Nadine really say that?
Clark - yes
(Bain sweating lolololol)
Jeanine points out to Bain that she just heard the tape where he clearly claimed that Nadine said to him that she saw the tapes
[discussion changes to HKS/drugs/KE/Kapoor, et al]
Geraldo - Lincoln may be part of this investigation
Bain - I’m not in hiding, I’ve been there, making myself available, unlike Rita Cosby, before we made the sting with Crosby I presented my tapes. I am here in front of you, where’s Rita?
Geraldo: [rita invited couldn’t make it]
Bain - I don’t buy that. My lawyer told me I could come on
Geraldo: When we come back there’s a Question I have for you - we heard you say on the tape the nannies told you that they saw ANS watching a sex tape - that’s what you told Rita on the phone - is that tape legitimate, is it doctored? [ be right back ]
[cut to break]
Bain: Listen to me because if I just give an answer people will say whatever they want - Rita has, a very long time before Rita - I came forward with my tapes before the sting operation took place before I went and got Rita and took her back to the place. There are more tapes implicating Rita Cosby.
Geraldo asks again if it’s him on rita’s tape.
Bain: I think [Rita’s] tape is doctored. Will I Swear? I don’t swear because of my religion - I affirm that I did not say “yes” to That Woman ! she told me that Don Clark was her source for that book! Don Clark is here saying he’s not the source so That Woman is proven to be a consummate liar! She said her friend “Tom” was a publisher - when I checked I found out it was his fiance
Don Clark - I wanna get done with this tape - I’m nobody’s source, I’m trying to do my job
Geraldo - [to Clark] did you hear the nannies talk about the tape, yes or no?
Don Clark - yes!! now can we go back to the drugs??
Craig - Bain, have you asked other journalists for money??
Bain - the only conversations is in terms of meetings - if you wanna come to the Bahamas and meet there is “expenses”, the hotel is expensive, there are expenses for the nannies, everytime they have to meet with them there are expenses...
Geraldo - did you try to shake down Rita?
Bain: No I didn’t try to shake down Rita - she is talking -I am doing very little talking
Geraldo: You’re saying your tapes are true and saying ALL of hers are doctored?
Bain: Rita will do anything to clear her name and she didn’t check her sources
ok, here’s the ‘drug’ stuff from Geraldo’s show today:
same characters: Clarke, Geragos, Jeanine (?), Ryan Smith, “Craig’ in the newsroom
Geraldo goes to nanny controversytv video,
Nadine talking about drug cups
[break to commercial]
[video] - Kapoor, fox news approaching - why
are you not cooperating, Kapoor: no comment
[video] Ke - under investigation since April Found HKS in KE’s home - says all rx’s made out in HKS name,
[video]HKS tape: “they were prescribed for Anna - no delusion about that”
Geraldo - suspicion that HKS played a role in ANS death
[video]Geraldo:ever see HKS give anna drugs?
(unidentified female) “yes..he wouldnt’ even tell her what they were”
[video] Jackie hatten - i most definately do (think that hKS is responsible for ANS death)
Craig in newsroom - houses next to each other? close relationship even continued into the Bahamas. Under KE’s direction, Nadine woke HKS up to give her pills
[HKS video] ‘I worshiped her’
Geraldo - as we’ve investigated, week after week, month after month, others said the relationship was controlling, unhealthy, disturbing
[video] list of drugs - geraldo at dry-erase board
with help of doctors and HKS. Anna was heavily into drugs
Craig: says he heard when **he talked to the nannies** about a black bag - fifty to 100 pill bottles - also small bottle, liquid methadone in bedside table
Geraldo: out to Dr Perper
Perper standing at back of ambulance (?)
Geraldo - why is it FL auth never took the kind of action Calif took yesterday?
Perper - ask FL authorities! My understanding prescriptions and doctors are from Calif so legal would be Calif auth - Calif who would be interested
Geraldo - she died in your state!!
Perper - because those are issues which address the medical practices of prescribing in Calif - Fl had no authority over those physicians
Mark Geragos - Yes They should have investigated before Calif did - clearly Calif has primary jurisdiction but the ultimate act, death, happened in their jurisdiction
Perper: true, death happened here and that’s why we performed the autopsy and investigation - legal points tht you’d have to qualify(?) to the FL authorities
Mark Geragos: the problem is if you have doctors prescribing to people...a creative AG could find a way to attach liability...Why are they doing an autopsy to determine rx drug overdose if they’re not going to do
anything about it, if it is??
Perper: No evidence of criminal activities - who would justify that - in this case the Florida licensed doctor (?) who prescribed med which were used
Geraldo: it’s an accident, but there were 11 bottles at her bed? She overdoses from a drug combination, somebody was giving it to her, handed it to her is that person not under some suspicion of at least negligent or reckless contact ?
Perper - My investigation revealed accidental death. If there are other issues where some one sould be sued for improper medical care,
Ryan Smith - I don’t think he understands that it happened there. KE travels with them, writes prescriptions - to say there is no criminality is just naive
Perper - I didn’t say it was not criminality - we did the autopsy - the legal branch should decide what they should do
Don Clark - clearly evidence of a black bag of drugs in somone elses name.. this woman wasn’t capable of giving shots or taking medications by herself - it’s ludicrious
Paul Peressi - I talked to AG Brown - I called him - I felt the interview that took place between Bain and nannies would be helpful to the investigation - I sent that interview to him and explained to him some of the things on that tape - [Geraldo: how did Brown respond?] He was very receptive and I’m not going to say shocked, but he wanted that tape right away. I pointed out that on the tape HKS forged checks, according to nannies, and on the tape the nannies make the point that HKs managed the drugs, made sure she was taking drugs, but wasn’t too concerned about her nourishment and that’s what had made me concerned
Don Clark - these drugs are really pinnacle...we can’t look at this and say this was all an accident - two people died under similar circumstances. We got Howard saying he gave her the drugs, her caretaker, this doesn’t make sense
[conversation goes back to Bain/tapes/Rita]
sorry, inadvertently left this off the Bain post; timing is after the discussion of the drugs/ Peressi describing his contacting AG brown. Again, this is just me typing wildly during a live show, so if some statement is not totally complete, I apologize in advance but I did try hard to get what I could:
Craig from newsroom speaking:
Craig: Mr Bain have You or Liz Thompson had any contact from Lin Wood?
Bain - no contact with Lin Wood
Craig: or any Private investigators or anyone representing him?
Bain - no contact with HKS
Geraldo - how did [LKL] get the tape [they broadcast]
Bain - Larry King asked me for that - I emailed it to him
Craig: no contact with HKS?
Bain - never had any contact - never met the guy. I am very suspicious of HKS - no way ! would Lincoln Bain take HKS’s side in all this - don’t think because we spread the truth about Rita Cosby we don’t want the truth from this
Stern side !
Jeanine - I like this guy
Geraldo - question for Lincoln: how does HKS retain posession on a house that was given to ANS under questionable conditions?
Bain - that’s the Bahamas !! (laughs and shrugs) that’s the Bahamas, I love the island but that’s the Bahamas!
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