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Britain set to release secret UFO files
UPI ^ | December 23, 2007

Posted on 12/23/2007 5:20:39 PM PST by Stoat

Britain set to release secret UFO files


 
Published: Dec. 23, 2007 at 4:24 PM
 
LONDON, Dec. 23 (UPI) -- The British government will soon release previously classified details regarding hundreds of reported sightings of unidentified flying objects.

The Sunday Telegraph said Sunday that this coming spring, the Defense Ministry will release to the general public 160 files about alleged UFO sightings.

Since the British government department began keeping records about the unusual reports in 1950, more than 10,000 sightings have been recorded.

With officials failing to explain 5 percent of those sightings, a growing number of Freedom of Information requests prompted the release of the classified information.

A former head of the Defense Ministry UFO project told the newspaper that no matter what an individual believes regarding UFOs, the released files should prove to be interesting reading.

"Whatever people think about UFOs, these documents are fascinating and show how the MoD has researched and investigated this mystery for nearly 60 years, without an answer," former department official Nick Pope said.


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MoD to open British UFO X-files - Telegraph

MoD to open British UFO X-files


By Aislinn Simpson
 
Last Updated: 1:47pm GMT 23/12/2007
 

 

Top-secret details about hundreds of sightings of Unidentified Flying Objects are to be released for public viewing in response to the nation's continuing fascination with the subject.

 
Top-secret details about UFO sightings are to be released to the public
Top-secret details about UFO sightings are to be released to the public

The Ministry of Defence will release a total of 160 files dating back to that time to the National Archives in Kew.

The first files will be made available in Spring 2008 and the process is expected to take three years.

The MoD has received reports of over 10,000 UFO sightings since the UFO project was set up in 1950.

After investigation, around 5 per cent remain unexplained. According to Nick Pope, who ran the Ministry of Defence UFO project from 1991 to 1994, some of the sightings are "highly credible".

He decided to speak out about the failure to seriously address the issue after resigning from his MoD post at the Directorate of Defence Security last year.

He claimed that he and his staff spent their time releasing documents in answer to Freedom of Information requests from the media or members of the public instead of interviewing witnesses to more credible sightings

It is understood that the MoD has decided to release the documents because it receives more FoI requests on the subject that on any other.

Mr Pope said that while he was initially sceptical about UFOs, access to the classified files and investigation of a series of spectacular UFO sightings - mainly by police and military personnel - had changed his mind.

One such sighting was of a "vast, triangular-shaped craft" firing a narrow beam of light onto the ground and emitting a low-frequency humming sound that was spotted flying over RAF Cosford in the West Midlands and RAF Shawbury in Shropshire in 1993.

In another incident, at the Twin Bases of RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge in Suffolk in December 1980, RAF staff were sent to investigate a suspected plane crash after bright lights were reported emanating from nearby woods.

They found a kind of lunar landing module standing on three legs, decorated with strange hieroglyphic-type markings, which then flew off.

The indents it left in the ground were examined the next morning with a Geiger Counter and emitted ten times the normal levels of radiation.

However, the Ministry of Defence does not attempt to identify such aircraft unless it sees "evidence to suggest that UK airspace has been compromised by hostile or unauthorised air activity".

When the French government released all its UFO files earlier this year, the dedicated website promptly crashed due to the number of people trying to access the information.

Mr Pope said he expected to see similar a flurry of interest in the files, which he predicted would convert some sceptics.

"Whatever people think about UFOs, these documents are fascinating and show how the MoD has researched and investigated this mystery for nearly 60 years, without an answer," he said.

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman confirmed the documents would be released from next year. "There has always been a great deal of interest in this subject," she said.


1 posted on 12/23/2007 5:20:42 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

TORCHWOOD?


2 posted on 12/23/2007 5:24:46 PM PST by reg45
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To: KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave

Ping


3 posted on 12/23/2007 5:25:04 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

UFO PING LIST PING

Please let Las Vegas Dave and I know if you want on or off the ping list.


4 posted on 12/23/2007 5:31:15 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Stoat

Paging Werner Von Braun...


5 posted on 12/23/2007 5:35:08 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Stoat

powerful-delusion-alert


6 posted on 12/23/2007 5:41:49 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (whose spirit is hillary channelling these days?)
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To: reg45
TORCHWOOD?

 I almost never watch TV so I didn't know what you're referring to and had to look it up.  Here's the message I get on the stoatputer when I go to the Official Torchwood site:

BBC - Torchwood - Torchwood

Access to this site is restricted.

If you are outside the UK you will not be able to use bbc.co.uk/torchwood for rights reasons.

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It hasn't been released on DVD yet in the USA, but the reviewers at Amazon love it.

Do you like the show? 

7 posted on 12/23/2007 5:46:22 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
At this time of year we should hail that unsung hero!


8 posted on 12/23/2007 5:46:51 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Stoat

Maybe they will prove that Carville, Perot and Ron Paul are aliens.


9 posted on 12/23/2007 5:52:24 PM PST by johna61
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To: Stoat

Are you affiliated with this site: http://www.sweasel.com/ ?


10 posted on 12/23/2007 5:53:28 PM PST by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: Stoat; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; Alex Murphy; andysandmikesmom; Angelas; ...

TRYING PING AGAIN

UFO PING LIST PING

Please let me know if you want on or off the list.

[been having trouble with my copy and paste functions]


11 posted on 12/23/2007 6:31:16 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Thank you very much for pinging your list  :-)

img90/7096/thankyoush6.gif

12 posted on 12/23/2007 6:37:33 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Uriah_lost
Are you affiliated with this site

Nope, sorry....  :-)

13 posted on 12/23/2007 6:39:11 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
It's my favorite show on BBC America. It is on my never miss list. I have the entire first season on DVR or transferred to DVD. If you liked X-Files, Men in Black, etc. you would like Torchwood. It's done by the same team that does the new Doctor Who episodes.

By the way, there are other web sites which are not blocked.

I copied this from a blog site:

Proving that Torchwood has been a success in the US, BBC America has announced that they'll be airing the second series even earlier than imagined -- in January, according to the Doctor Who News Page.

I'm impressed that this time it looks to be nearly simultaneous with the UK release -- certainly the shortest gap yet for either Doctor Who or Torchwood.

And with January looking very grim for American television due to the writer's strike -- this could be an especially good opportunity for British imports like Doctor Who and Torchwood.


14 posted on 12/23/2007 6:40:17 PM PST by reg45
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; Calpernia

Ping.


15 posted on 12/23/2007 7:11:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ("Christmas is not a date. It is a state of mind" M.E. Chase American writer "Merry Christmas to all")
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To: Stoat

Does Dennis Kucinich know about this?


16 posted on 12/23/2007 7:45:57 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: Stoat; All

ATS GLEANINGS for this evening:

DETAILS EMERGE on the ATD-X Japanese Stealth Fighter.

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321657/pg1

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THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON VIOLENT MEDIA

SOURCE link:

http://www.physorg.com/news116155534.html

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319530/pg1

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SCIENTISTS CONFIRM FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE:

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321556/pg1

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http://www.nuforc.org/CB020824.html

Ats thread gave above source link. Excerpt:

National UFO Reporting Center Case Brief
August 24, 2002
NUFORC Home Page


PRELIMINARY STATEMENT REGARDING THE DEATH OF MR. TODD SEES, OF NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA , ON SUNDAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2002 .

I. PREFACE

Because this report addresses the tragic and untimely death on August 4th, 2002 , of a young man, Mr. Todd Sees, of Northumberland County , Pennsylvania , we preface by extending our sincere condolences to the family members who survive him. It has never been our intention to cause family members of the late Mr. Sees’ any distress over this matter, although we understand that the information originating from our website, because of its nature, may have been upsetting to them.

Because of the pain that information may have caused them, we apologize. It was never our intention to cause pain to the family, anymore that it is the intention of a newspaper to cause pain in the course of reporting on such a tragic, and unusual, event. From the beginning of our investigation into Mr. Sees’ death, our only objective has been to reveal the truth, and to attempt to provide answers to the many still unanswered questions that it has given rise to.

II. BACKGROUND/CHRONOLOGY

On Wednesday, August 28, 2002 , the National UFO Reporting Center (”NUFORC”) received a brief, one-paragraph, report, criticizing our Center for not having covered an alleged “alien abduction,” which, the source asserted, had occurred in Lewisburg , Pennsylvania . Even though the report did not appear to be either serious, or carefully prepared, we responded, nevertheless, requesting more information from the person who had submitted it.

The individual, who provided no telephone number, responded via e-mail, describing the death of Mr. Todd Sees, and further asserting that circumstances surrounding the death had been very unusual. The source asserted that the death itself was mysterious and unexplained; that certain facts surrounding the follow-up investigation were unusual; that federal authorities had been called into the investigation; that the family members of the decedent were not allowed to witness the victim’s remains; and several other facts that seemed noteworthy to us. The individual went on to assert that the death had been related to UFO, and/or alien, activity. Despite repeated attempts by NUFORC to obtain more information about the individual, we have not succeeded in talking directly with the person.

NUFORC decided to follow up on the unsubstantiated report, and, on August 30th, we telephoned The Daily Item newspaper in Northumberland County , PA , in attempt to establish whether the initial report had any basis in fact. The staff member we spoke with there confirmed that such an incident had, in fact, occurred, and that the newspaper had published several articles about the death, and about the subsequent investigation. (Please see two of the articles at the end of this report.)) The staff member apprised NUFORC that the investigation had been conducted by the Point Township police department, and she directed us to those offices for more detailed information about the continuing investigation.

. . .

III. UNRESOLVED ISSUES

We list below a few of the questions surrounding the death of Mr. Sees that we have attempted to answer, but which we feel remain unresolved, as of the date of this summary:

1. If the death of Mr. Sees is being investigated as an “unexplained death,” and not a homicide, why are the local authorities involved in the investigation refusing to comment on the case? If the death, in fact, was the result of a snake bite, a bee sting, a diabetic coma, or exposure, all of which have been proposed as the cause of death, why are the police, the coroner, and the district attorney all refusing to comment on the case?

2. If the victim’s remains were so badly decayed or disfigured that the family could not have an open casket funeral ceremony, why was no family member, or representative of the family, e.g. a family physician, summoned to establish positive identification of the body? Also, under what authority did officials act in their apparently informing the family of the decedent that the casket containing his remains should not be opened before its burial? In addition, how could a body become so badly decayed in 39 hours, or less, of exposure that it was unfit for viewing by the family, or at a funeral?

3. If, indeed, unconfirmed reports that special agents from the FBI, or from another federal law-enforcement agency, were summoned to the site where the victim’s remains were found, why were they summoned, and by whom? What interest would federal authorities have in an allegedly accidental, or “unexplained,” death, if there were not extenuating circumstances? Moreover, why would members of the Point Township police department refuse to comment on whether federal authorities had been involved in the investigation?

4. If tracking dogs were used during the search for Mr. Sees, it seems unusual to us that they would not be able to immediately track the path that the victim presumably took, as he walked, perhaps barefoot, from his vehicle to the location where his remains ultimately were found by searchers. Tracking dogs are very adept at following a scent, and it seems unusual that they could not locate remains that reportedly were badly decayed at the time the body was discovered.

In addition to those questions outlined above, we feel there are many specific questions surrounding the death of Mr. Sees, which have yet to be resolved by any follow-up investigation. For example, the apparent absence of any apparent cause of death seems unusual, given that the decedent was a seemingly quite healthy and fit young man. In addition, it is unclear to us why an experienced outdoorsman, as Mr. Sees apparently was, would abandon his vehicle, shed his outer garments, doff his boots, and walk an estimated two miles toward his home, leaving his vehicle, still in good working condition, on top of the nearby mountain. There apparently are many other aspects surrounding the death, which seem unusual, and which we do not address here.

IV. SUMMARY

As of the date of this writing (September 30, 2002), we have no idea what caused the death of Mr. Sees, and we certainly have no evidence, aside from unsubstantiated assertions, several of them from anonymous sources, that there was anything “unworldly” associated with his tragic demise. However, in light of the many recent reports from South America that have come to our attention over recent months of allegedly strange deaths, and possible human mutilations, we feel that further investigation into this case is justified.

We will pursue the case, to the best of our ability, and will attempt to bring some satisfactory resolution to this apparent mystery. Most of all, we hope to be able to obtain copies of the official reports pertaining to the death, if and when they are released, and we will report them here in a final report.

We close by again expressing our condolences to the family of Mr. Sees over his death, and by apologizing if our paricipation in this matter has caused them over the tragic loss of their loved one.

Report prepared by: Peter B. Davenport, Director, NUFORC ( September 30, 2002 )

[Qx note: I’ve communiated with Peter D before—he’s always been a super straight arrow, in my book]

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ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60574/pg1

The United States’ Secret Shadow Government, A Structural Analysis by Richard Boylan PhD

THE SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT

A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS
By Richard Boylan Ph.D. page 1 of 2

The secret “shadow” government is the large organisational network which operates alongside the officially elected and appointed government of the United States of America. Just as with the official government, the secret government has functional branches.

Just as with the official government, the Shadow Government has functional branches. However, unlike the official government, the purpose of the non-executive branches of the Shadow Government is simply to distribute various functions, but not to achieve a system of checks and balances, as was supposed to happen constitutionally between the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. Government. That is because the Shadow Government is a creature of a powerful elite, who need not fear being dominated by an instrument of their own creation.

In the Shadow Government five branches may be identified. These branches are: the Executive Branch, the Intelligence Branch, the War Department, the Weapons Industry Branch, and the Financial Department.

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ATS . . . well known private researcher . . . narrative about periodic catastrophes as well as his conclusions about codes coded in Egyptian monuments etc.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319009/pg1

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From ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321546/pg1

Thread title:

DO YOU REALIZE WHAT’S COMING TO YOU?

The opening post is startling enough . . .

Below is a curious post later down in that thread . . . curious because of the mixture of things said, imho.

reply to post by The time lord


You think it’s going to happen in the middle east?ITS ALREADY HAPPENED THERE DOOD ROFL!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?
The Government of the Beast has formed it is the UN which will branch out into world divisions.One division I believe will be the American Union.The ancient writings inspired outside of our time as we know it have told us that there wlll be 10 leaders(not nations) but 10 leaders and it says the “Rich men” of the earth and there “sorcery’s” (the word translated was Pharmakia or our modern day word pharmacy).. So basically it says the government of the “beast” will be run by 10 leaders under a one world government that implements sorcery to control and manipulate the masses!Sounds like whats going on right now.. I got news for ya man everything is in place.All they have to do is declare any national emergency and FEMA implements REX84, and they Government can make you work for them digging graves for people resisting the NWO.Look up REX84 on google to get a nice “dose” of what I’m talking about.There are camps setup and there are allegedly 1 million UN soldiers here on U.S soil.They will round those up that are the least bit rowdy and make it look however they want to the mass media.

We are trapped in linear time by Angelic beings some call annunaki and have been deceived into believing they are benevolent beings.However Thanks be to our creator he left us the whole story in a book that has stood the test of time.What some people call fantasy is literal the key book to decoding every single bit of what is taking place in the world today.It’s all there including mankind embracing evolution over creation and rejecting the idea of the creator.Soon you will have disclosure and all the people deceived will rejoice.Then they will make it main stream news that we certainly must have been seeded by Aliens making all religions of the world seem like nonsense, THE FINAL LIE.

Religion has perverted the real mission of our creator so much you can barely recognize the meaning.Please receive the truth of the message of
Jesus Christ he doesn’t point his finger and call you sinner! He just points out the fact that the fallen angels tampered with your DNA and now own you in this present world.We are completely being manipulated for our bodies(containers) and our energy and they harvest experience form us.When you die by the hand of the NWO for rejecting there one world government they will call you a religious nut and a hater.There brain washing has been going on for a long time.And society with all its PC’ness isn’t helping one bit.Any ways the real message is Jesus is not come to condemn us but he is simply a door to eternity the eternal realm.You have no right to eternal life without going through Jesus our creator he controls that door way that no man can shut... Satan is planning on trying to make his own redemptive plan fashioned after the one God our creator implemented.Satan and the fallen angels are trying to create a being that is Fully man and fully God AKA “The BEAST”!Makes sense don’t it?An exact copy of the redemption plan hoping himself and his angelic followers can receive eternal life as those promised who believe on Jesus the manifested anomalous GOD the universe!And I’ll wrap it up and say that this Government being implemented before your eyes is the instrumental Government to be used in implementing the final plan to get rid of all believers in Christ and get rid of anyone that has DNA that goes back to the 12 tribes of Israel!!Say hello to Satans Government the NWO!

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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Another curious thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread322096/pg1

Who’s responsible for concert pitch at A-440Hz?

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The dumbing down of society???

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread322514/pg1

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Interesting new twist to the Diana Conspiracy per fireman who pulled corpse of one who’e followed Diana around week before her death . . . death was ruled suicide but fireman insists the burned corpse was also shot in the head.

ATS thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread305265/pg1

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DAVID ROCKEFELLER VISIBLY SHAKEN WHEN ASKED ABOUT RON PAUL:

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovepolitics.com/forum/thread320408/pg1

UTUBE LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruSqkSAdWUw

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JAPANESE FEARS RAISED AS WAR-LIKE UFO TARGETS MARS

And Russian fears?

This may be a repeat. Sorry, if so.

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread322551/pg1

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SCIENTISTS CURE CANCER BUT NO ONE NOTICES

ATS THREAD AND SOURCE LINK IN THAT ORDER:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread282581/pg1

http://www.studentprintz.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=c7794f20-dfb1-4494-892d-b529895da103

Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice
By: David McRaney
Posted: 1/23/07
EDITORS NOTE:

Since the original publication of this article we have been inundated with responses from the public at all walks of life. It is important to note that research is ongoing with DCA, and not everyone is convinced it will turn out to be a miracle drug. There have been many therapies that were promising in vitro and in animal models that did not work for one reason or another in humans. To provide false hope is not our intention. There is a lot of information on DCA available on the web, and this column is but one opinion on the topic. We hope you will do your own research into the situation. So, we have added links to resources at the end of this column. If you are arriving here form a linking website like Fark, then those links will not appear because they tend to grab only the text. For those visitors, here is a link to the original research: www.depmed.ualberta.ca/dca

END NOTE

Scientists may have cured cancer last week.

Yep.

So, why haven’t the media picked up on it?

Here’s the deal. Researchers at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada found a cheap and easy to produce drug that kills almost all cancers. The drug is dichloroacetate, and since it is already used to treat metabolic disorders, we know it should be no problem to use it for other purposes.

Doesn’t this sound like the kind of news you see on the front page of every paper?

The drug also has no patent, which means it could be produced for bargain basement prices in comparison to what drug companies research and develop.

Scientists tested DCA on human cells cultured outside the body where it killed lung, breast and brain cancer cells, but left healthy cells alone. Rats plump with tumors shrank when they were fed water supplemented with DCA.

Again, this seems like it should be at the top of the nightly news, right?

Cancer cells don’t use the little power stations found in most human cells - the mitochondria. Instead, they use glycolysis, which is less effective and more wasteful.

Doctors have long believed the reason for this is because the mitochondria were damaged somehow. But, it turns out the mitochondria were just dormant, and DCA starts them back up again.

The side effect of this is it also reactivates a process called apoptosis. You see, mitochondria contain an all-too-important self-destruct button that can’t be pressed in cancer cells. Without it, tumors grow larger as cells refuse to be extinguished. Fully functioning mitochondria, thanks to DCA, can once again die.

With glycolysis turned off, the body produces less lactic acid, so the bad tissue around cancer cells doesn’t break down and seed new tumors.

Here’s the big catch. Pharmaceutical companies probably won’t invest in research into DCA because they won’t profit from it. It’s easy to make, unpatented and could be added to drinking water. Imagine, Gatorade with cancer control.

So, the groundwork will have to be done at universities and independently funded laboratories. But, how are they supposed to drum up support if the media aren’t even talking about it?

All I can do is write this and hope Google News picks it up. In the meantime, tell everyone you know and do your own research.

PLEASE READ THE EDITOR’S NOTE AT THE TOP OF THIS COLUMN, AND PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINKS TO OTHER DCA RESOURCES LISTED DIRECTLY UNDER THIS COLUMN.

This is a column of opinion written by Printz Executive Editor David McRaney. Comments can be sent to printz@usm.edu


© Copyright 2007 Student Printz

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OMEGA AGENCY ABOVE PRESIDENT

ATS THREAD.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60572/pg1

First post is a doozy. NWO stuff . . . interesting explanations.

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hypothetical . . . maybe . . .

Prophecy starts or an Alien Invasion, all communication is lost. Now convince people

[Assume communications were all down . . . but just before they crashed, some super dramatic things were shown on TV—how would you convince people that you knew what was going on . . . ]

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread322687/pg1

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DAT’S ALL FOLKS


17 posted on 12/23/2007 8:09:39 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Domestic Church

What the UFO connection to rocket scientist Werner Von Braun?


18 posted on 12/23/2007 8:21:00 PM PST by GOPJ (Drug dealers are NOT "unlicensed pharmacists" and illegals are NOT "undocumented workers". Bailey)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All

VERY interesting link re UFO scientific research . . .

http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=103731256


19 posted on 12/23/2007 9:50:50 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Does Dennis Kucinich know about this?

I would ask him for you, but I regret that he's not on my speed-dial  :-)

 

20 posted on 12/23/2007 10:01:16 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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