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Buckeyhes and BCS: Third Times the Harm
ESPN ^ | 1.8.08 | By Pat Forde

Posted on 01/08/2008 7:50:51 AM PST by meandog

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To: Lord_Calvinus
when the Rose hosts 1 v. 2, they do give it up

That no longer happens. The national title game is a separate bowl. Won't see a plus 1.

181 posted on 01/08/2008 11:08:06 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: NonZeroSum

I don’t think with the loss to App State and Oregon you would have even sniffed at the chance. Beating Florida does not make you the greatest team ever.


182 posted on 01/08/2008 11:08:19 AM PST by Georgia
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To: chimera
The overall record of the Big 10 conference is poor but not a shutout.

- Prior to this year, it was 18-19, including OSU's 0-8...so excluding OSU, it was 18-11, mostly playing home games for the SEC.

What was it this year, 5(?) Big Ten teams playing Bowl games where they travelled over a thousand miles and two temperature zones, and the opposition was playing in-state, or even in-city? In many cases, the Big Ten was a significantly lower ranked team playing a higher ranked team - which one wouldn't reasonably expect a high chance of victory.

Where you had a truly neutral field, Michigan State shouldn't have been in the game against Boston College, but completely kicked their butts except for one self-destructing player, who threw two stupid interceptions, and two tosses simply to the other team.

There's no way an unranked Michigan team should have been a challenge for Florida, who they dominated far more than the score.

What's LSU's general record on night games in Louisiana? As I recall, it's something absurd - like 1-2 losses per decade. That's not an insubstantial advantage against ANY team.

183 posted on 01/08/2008 11:08:38 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Georgia
Especially when the Rose ends up with crappy match ups like this year.

Don't forget that if the Big Ten and Pac-10 left the BCS, the Rose Bowl would have been USC / Ohio State--a pretty compelling matchup.

184 posted on 01/08/2008 11:09:46 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: chimera
No matter what the record is for the Buckeyes next year, the BCS selection committee would have to have their collective heads examined to consider them for a title game slot. They're going to avoid them like the plague.

As I noted earlier in the season, OSU was a place-holder this year. They were ranked so highly because everyone ahead of them kept blowing it. Despite next year OSU being stronger, and USC being on the schedule, I expect that you are right - even if they beat USC during the season. This year they were filling a hole between Texas and USC home and homes, and so had an in-state patsy game.

185 posted on 01/08/2008 11:14:32 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Sonny Seiler is still around and has Uga in fighting shape.


186 posted on 01/08/2008 11:15:00 AM PST by Georgia
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To: Armando Guerra
I would like to see them require all the BCS conferences to have a conference championship the way the SEC and other conferences do.

Currently, some of them are prohibbitted from doing so...12 team minimum.

187 posted on 01/08/2008 11:16:34 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lord_Calvinus

It’s not our fault that we had to play Hawaii. We wanted to go to the Rose.


188 posted on 01/08/2008 11:18:20 AM PST by Georgia
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To: Lord_Calvinus
Sounds like another reason for changes.

And this year's result may be the one to get the ball rolling on that. There may be a move to put in some kind of "manual override", because if the polls work out in such a way next year that a team that is universally perceived as "not belonging" gets the nod, it could bring the whole house of cards down.

189 posted on 01/08/2008 11:19:21 AM PST by chimera
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To: Armando Guerra
Then you can have the BCS conference champions along with 2 wild card teams and play an 8 team playoff. You would have a true champion and also have the opportunity for Cinderella team to win it.

And you could have playoff games in Ann Arbor and Happy Valley in late December!

Of course the whole point of the bowl games was originally to give people more of a reason to travel to a winter resort...not to determine champions.

190 posted on 01/08/2008 11:19:31 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: CommerceComet

And with Cam Newton and John Brantley, the Gators should have more than capable backup QBs should Tebow get hurt.


191 posted on 01/08/2008 11:19:45 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: Bosco
the Buckeyes came up short against LSU. Tigers are a real good team.

Yup!. Congrats to them. They didn't lose a game during regulation all year.

192 posted on 01/08/2008 11:21:17 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Georgia

As I said earlier “dang good dawg!” I love watching the GA games just for the occasional glimpse of Uga on the sidelines!


193 posted on 01/08/2008 11:22:45 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Publius Valerius

“My opinion is that they realize that they are the weakest of the major conferences and wouldn’t get many shots at a title.”

Me thinks this post hit the nail on the head...why would the Big-10 Commissioner support a playoff system, or a plus-one when they can AGAIN get a free ride to the BIG game having played the weakest of all top ten teams?

As I predicted to you in October (and it came to pass), Ohio State played only TWO top twenty teams, losing to one of them at home.

We need a playoff system so that USC and Ohio State (and of course Notre Dame if they lose more than three games) will not be granted free rides to the big game when their schedules did not warrant it. There is a PAC-10 and Big-10 BCS and poll voter bias, and the last two years this bias has bitten them BIG TIME.


194 posted on 01/08/2008 11:28:13 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: sportutegrl
LSU lost twice and they still got a chance........ Why did they deserve to be there???

Because LSU plays in the SEC.

Because LSU lost twice only in OT.

195 posted on 01/08/2008 11:29:11 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Georgia
I don’t think with the loss to App State and Oregon you would have even sniffed at the chance.

Early season losses. Particularly this season, they are recoverable. Which is worse, losing the first game (barely) to App State, or losing badly to Stanford mid-season?

Before the Wisconsin game, Michigan was ranked 21st in the BCS. Had they beaten Wisconsin, they probably would have ridden up to the second ten, if not top ten. If they beat #5 Ohio State, then they'd certainly end up in the top five, since they only had two losses--their first of the year--and then finished off their season with ten straight wins. After all, on the same day, several ahead of them would have lost. With the last losses on the last day of regular season, they could easily have been poised to rise to the top as Ohio State did. Which would have been amusing, since it would have meant two two-loss teams in the NC game.

Beating Florida does not make you the greatest team ever.

Since neither I, or anyone else has made such a claim, I'm not sure what your point is.

196 posted on 01/08/2008 11:30:00 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: meandog

LOL!


197 posted on 01/08/2008 11:33:25 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Shame on Freepers who use the MSM to attack any Republican)
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To: Publius Valerius

It would be. But it would not determine the true champion. Especially with neither conference having a conference championship. USC/OSU every year would get boring. I for one boycotted watching the Rose this year because of their arrogance. I think the majority of the country would like to see an equitable ending to the season. That means having a playoff. If two conferences want to try and prevent that, then they should be destroyed in the court of public opinion.


198 posted on 01/08/2008 11:36:13 AM PST by Georgia
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To: NonZeroSum

My apologies.
I was reading some Michigan blogs earlier saying how great they were for beating a 3 loss Florida team.

In regards to the losses, they were early, but a division II loss at home is to much to overcome.


199 posted on 01/08/2008 11:40:21 AM PST by Georgia
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To: Publius Valerius

“It’s because the Big Ten and the Pac-10 have the Rose Bowl, which is the best. It has aura that no other bowl has.”

It has an “aura” to “big” 10 and Pac 10 people. The rest of the world could give a crap. It was that vaunted “tradition” that gave us the glorious spectacle of 90% of the country turning off the game at halftime due to a “big” 10 team not deserving to be there getting blown the hell out. Ditto for the Sugar bowl. Screw the fans wanting to see the best game (UGA vs USC). Who needs interesting stuff like that? We all want outdated tradition and “aura”...right?


200 posted on 01/08/2008 11:40:46 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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